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What dictionary are you using? I have never seen the word "innocent" used in the definition.My dictionary defines murder as the intentional killing of an innocent human being. When, according to your opinion does the unborn become a human being?
I spent half a night once talking someone out of suicide have you?This is a common argument brought up by those who favour abortion so one has to ask if you knew someone threatening suicide you would say "it's your life so it is no business of mine."
There isn't any difference between suicide and having an abortion because the abortion will definitely end the life of the baby and may end the life of the mother or cause trauma and grief that can last for 20 years. With suicide you die, with abortion you could die emotionally and mentally and have trauma and grief for year after year after year after year because you know that you had your baby killed.
I don't disregard God and I don't remember ever saying that directly.So basically God has no say and His word matters little to you when it comes to what is right or wrong? Color me confused if that is what you're saying.
I also have an interest in psychology, philosophy, ethics, and history... I also read my Bible daily and try to understand why God promotes what He promotes and prohibits what he does. I have found that there seem to be two things at work in the biblical view of right and wrong.
1 Respect for Persons, as in respect for each individual person and respect for the sacredness of life itself
2 Whatever does the most good and the least harm, including spiritual good and harm
That's based on my own research and life experience so take what you will but I don't see how a Christian can completely disregard the Word of God on the subject of what does and doesn't constitute moral conduct
In the US? That's easy... The law from the "unelected justices."
First you must show that a baby is a person to make this claim.
The pledge of Allegiance is not law. It is not relevant to Roe v Wade. Your interpretation of the rulership of God is not relevant to Roe v Wade.Our Pledge of Allegiance contains the following phrase which negates what you stated:
“Under God”
This means that Roe v Wade is null and void under the rulership of God. Your effort to get God out of our nation is futile.
Thanks for saying it in bold and red it looks kind of like yelling I guess.Frankly it does matter.
Jesus said:
Matthew 6:24 New King James Version (NKJV)
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other.
Personhood is an invention of those enamored with the killing of innocent human beings. Before the Civil War, personhood was used to justify slavery. It was also used to deny women the right to vote on elections.
Don't be silly. The Pledge of Allegiance has no moral or legal authority.Our Pledge of Allegiance contains the following phrase which negates what you stated:
“Under God”
This means that Roe v Wade is null and void under the rulership of God. Your effort to get God out of our nation is futile.
Where in the Bible does it say abortion is murder?
It should be apparent from this to even you that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense or MURDER.
Amazing that some don't seem to understand that freedom and master are mutually exclusive.Thanks for saying it in bold and red it looks kind of like yelling I guess.
Look we have our opinions I could be saying a lot more but I'm controlling myself right now.
I don't use the King James Version either and that's for a reason to.
Now good day.
What makes you think there is such a thing as the wrong version of the Bible?You are quoting the wrong version of the Bible. Modern translators frender the text as follows:
New International Version
"If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.” [Exodus 21:22]
This reading of the text means that if there is harm to either the woman or her baby, the death penalty applies to the guilty.
That verse was reinterpreted only because of the interpreters' personal prejudice against abortion. But if you are ready to jump at the latest interpretation of the Bible does that mean that you are ready to give up the virgin birth myth? New versions have the verse that it was based upon as saying "the young woman will have a child" not "the virgin will have a child". You need to be consistent if you are going to change just because the interpretation has changed.You are quoting the wrong version of the Bible. Modern translators frender the text as follows:
New International Version
"If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.” [Exodus 21:22]
This reading of the text means that if there is harm to either the woman or her baby, the death penalty applies to the guilty.
Or for that matter a "correct" version either.What makes you think there is such a thing as the wrong version of the Bible?
This is all just rhetoric, though. I could take out the word abortion and fill in the blank with almost anything. You're entitled to these beliefs, but I don't recognize them as truth. Your comments on its relation to other laws aren't a logical comparison, and everything else is subjective and/or religious.1. Abortion is murder. It is an affront not just to Christian teaching but to the very foundations of modern society. It takes the rule of law and due process and throws both out the window to allow adults, women like myself in particular, to kill their own offspring for even the most arbitrary of reasons. In most cases it's an evil and barbaric practice that in an ideal world should be criminalized outside of extreme circumstances.
I agree with this.2. We do not live in that ideal world. Therefore whether we believe abortion to be right or wrong our time is better spent creating a world in which abortion is as unneeded and uncommon as possible. What will help that happen? Increased access to preventative birth-control, better and more widespread sex education, more resources for pregnant women regardless or age or background, and much needed reforms to the current adoption and foster-care systems.
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