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Featured Abomination that maketh Desolate

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by BrotherD, May 25, 2020.

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  1. BrotherD

    BrotherD Thus Saith The Lord

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    Abomination that maketh Desolate

    Matthew 24:14-15
    [14]And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; AND THEN SHALL THE END COME.
    [15]When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

    Where did Daniel speak about an abomination of desolation?

    Daniel 11:31 KJV — And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE.

    Daniel 11:45
    [45]And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

    In 508 AD king Clovis and the Franks defeated the Visigoths and paved the way for the papacy to fully develop. See this link on more info about 508ad:
    http://www.patmospapers.com/daniel/in508.htm

    This was extremely important because the CHURCH (PAPACY) used the STATE (king CLOVIS) to eventually uproot/wipe out 3 Germanic tribes from 508-538 AD. These 3 tribes where the Ostrogoths, Vandals, and Visigoths, they were Arian which means non-Trinitarian. See this link: Arianism - Wikipedia The church fornicating with the state is an ABOMINATION to God.

    A pure woman in bible prophecy is a church:

    Ephesians 5:25-27
    [25]Husbands, love your WIVES, even as Christ ALSO LOVED THE CHURCH, and gave himself for it;
    [26]That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
    [27]That he might present it to himself a GLORIOUS CHURCH, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

    A harlot in bible prophecy is an apostate church:

    Jeremiah 3:6-8
    [6]The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding ISRAEL hath done? SHE is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath PLAYED THE HARLOT.
    [7]And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
    [8]And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding ISRAEL COMMITTED ADULTERY I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

    Israel was the church in the wilderness:

    Acts 7:37-38
    [37]This is that Moses, WHICH SAID UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
    [38]This is he, that was in the CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

    Therefore a church is liken to a woman.

    Now lets get to the end time application of church and state that Jesus warned us we should look out for.

    Revelation 17:3,5,12,16
    [3]So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a WOMAN (church) sit upon a scarlet coloured BEAST (kingdom or state, Daniel 7:23), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns (kings, Daniel 8:21).
    [5]And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
    [12]And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    [16]And the ten horns (kings) which thou sawest upon the beast (church), these shall hate the whore, and shall make her DESOLATE and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and BURN HER WITH FIRE.

    The abomination of the woman is her fornicating with the beast:

    Leviticus 18:22-23
    [22]Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: IT IS ABOMINATION.
    [23]Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

    Revelation 17:3 is the church and state abomination that maketh her desolate.

    Lets look and see how prophecy is being fulfilled today:

    Pope Francis’s address to a joint session of Congress on September 24, 2015 marked a first in the history of the Catholic Church and United States.
    Pope Francis Visits U.S. Congress/

    This happened one day after the Day of Atonement/Judgment Day. One of God's holy days where he judges the children of Israel, and those who didn't afflict their souls and confess their sins were cut off.

    The church also met with the kings of the earth the next day on September 25th, 2015:

    The Vatican flag will fly at UN headquarters in New York for the first time on September 25, the date when Pope Francis will speak there.

    The UN and the Holy See agreed that the Vatican flag would be raised in the morning with no special ceremony, at the same time that flags of other member-nations are raised.

    UN will fly Vatican flag for first time during Pope's visit | News Headlines

    This was the beginning of the end that Christ alluded to in Matthew 24:15, church and state.

    Recently:
    NEW YORK - President Donald Trump identified himself as the “best [president] in the history of the Catholic Church” in a conference call for Catholic leaders and educators Saturday, where he warned that issues at stake in the upcoming presidential election, particularly on abortion and religious liberty, “have never been more important for the Church.”
    Trump says he's 'best president in history of the Church' in call with Catholic leaders/

    This was in April this year. Trump is going to do all he can for the catholic church and that relationship is an abomination.

    The constitution of the United States also prohibits this:

    The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws which regulate an establishment of religion, prohibit the free exercise of religion, or abridge the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the right to peaceably assemble, or the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

    Now because of this abomination (church and state) God will judge the church and WHEN she is burned with fire this is a judgment from God that has its roots in the law of God.

    Revelation 18:2,4-5,8
    [2]And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
    [4]And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    [5]For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    [8]Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

    Thus saith the Lord:

    Leviticus 21:9
    [9]And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

    She (the church) has fornicated with the kings of the earth and she will be burnt with fire.

    Matthew 11:15 KJV — He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
     
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  2. Berean Tim

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    The AoD happens at the Temple in Jerusalem
     
  3. Dave L

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    Happened in AD 70. And originally in 161 BC when Antiochus sacrificed a pig on the altar.
     
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    There will never be another temple built. Those animal sacrifices to God are an abomination to him and the ultimate sacrifice Jesus his Son. Look at what scripture has to say about it:

    Hebrews 10:1-10
    [1]For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    [2]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
    [3]But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
    [4]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
    [5]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
    [6]In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
    [7]Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
    [8]Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
    [9]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
    [10]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
     
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    It has a dual application, please re-read carefully what i wrote and how it links up. The scriptures provided this interpertation, not me. People are not prepared for what is soon to happen and we are right there on the cusp of the time of trouble Daniel spoke of in Daniel 12:1
     
  6. solid_core

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    Where the body is, there also the eagles will be gathered together.

    Romans [eagles were on their military standards] were the judgement over Israel.
     
  7. Berean Tim

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    LOL I don't think we need to go down this road again DaveL but its nice to hear from you
     
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    Matthew 24:26-28 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
    Jesus is just saying if they tell you I've come back, don't believe it. Where the vultures are, that's where the bodies are. They don't circle a mile or so away. There will be no mistaken His return
     
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    Most translations use the word "vultures", because they (rightly so) are surprised by the word "eagle" here. Eagles do not eat corpses, vultures do.

    But Jesus (or the gospel authors) knew Jesus was talking about Romans. Thats why "eagles" are there.
     
  10. Berean Tim

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    I don't believe a future temple will be ordained by God. It will be the spark that causes the great tribulation.
     
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    It's Strongs 105 (Bird of prey) it can be eagle or vulture depending on the context. You are right eagles don't eat corpses. So the text strongly supports vultures.
     
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    Strongs is just a concordance, not a dictionary.

    The term really means eagles, not vultures.
     
  13. Douggg

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    Makes what desolate?
     
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    Jerusalem/Jewish nation generally, the Jerusalem temple specifically.
     
  15. Douggg

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    It is the sanctuary, the holy place and the Holy of Holies place.

    Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


    The transgression of desolation - the revealed man of sin sitting in the temple.
    The abomination of desolation - the standing statue image of the beast placed in the holy place, the statue shortly incarnated by Satan when he is cast down to earth.
     
  16. Dave L

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    It's not a dual application. Jesus uses Antiochus as a metaphor.
     
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    The same Greek term can refer to “eagles” or “vultures” (L&N 4.42; BDAG 22 s.v. ἀετός), but in this context it must mean vultures because the gruesome image is one of dead bodies being consumed by scavengers. Jesus’ answer is that when the judgment comes, the scenes of death will be obvious and so will the location of the judgment.
     
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    Well, Jesus was clearly talking about what happened in 66-70AD.

    The temple is down for 2,000 years now. This never happened before.
     
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    Judgement over Israel was carried by Romans.

    Disciples asked Him "where". Jesus said that the Romans will come to every place where the flesh will be. I.e. the judgement will happen in every place where it will be needed to happen.

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    The abomination of desolation (or the abomination that makes desolate) is Christians worshiping the antichrist.

    The "holy place" Jesus referred to is His saints on earth---that same "outer court" of God's heavenly temple mentioned in the Revelation which is going to be given over by God to the sons of the devil to trample (through persecution and martyrdom) for 3 1/2 years (the time of great tribulation).

    Christians are the only people who have Someone in them to leave them. The unsaved are already empty and alone. They cannot be made desolate as they don't have the Spirit of Jesus in them.

    Any Christian who chooses to take the mark of the beast and worship him will forfeit his or her eternal life. The Holy Spirit will depart from them forever and they will spend eternity in the lake of fire. ( Hence the call for the saints to persevere during that time of persecution and to not forsake the Lord to their destruction.)

    The abomination of desolation standing in the holy place is the same thing that Paul described in 2nd Thessalonians: the son of perdition (the antichrist) taking his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
    The (only) temple of God is the church, and those Christians who fall away from their faith in that time and who take the mark of the beast and worship his image will be rejecting and replacing Christ as their spiritual head and their God with him (essentially with Satan incarnate).

    The rebellion of the saints is already raging. It's only a matter of time before the antichrist is revealed and many of them commit the ultimate act of rebellion by worshiping the antichrist in order to save their earthly lives. They don't love and are not faithful to Jesus now; much less will they be in the most intense of trials.
     
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