Abiogenesis is a Lie

[Kylie]

Right, because a painting is not a human being, unless your arguing that human beings are not alive even though they were created by God who is alive?

So, you agree with me then? Good!

A living creator can take non living things and make something from those non-living things - but the things he makes will not be living!

Since Humans are obviously alive, then maybe the creation story is mistaken.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Nice try, Rick, but according to Wikipedia:

Nice try, Rick, but according to Wikipedia:
Abiogenesis or biopoiesis is the study of how biological life could arise from inorganic matter through natural processes.


^
Ok Does it say solely natural processes?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok Does it say solely natural processes?

No ... just the opposite.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

“Never tell me the odds.” – Han Solo

 

[AV1611VET]

“Never tell me the odds.” – Han Solo

The Man from U.N.C.L.E.?

 

[Chriliman]

So, you agree with me then? Good!

A living creator can take non living things and make something from those non-living things - but the things he makes will not be living!

Since Humans are obviously alive, then maybe the creation story is mistaken.

No because the story of creation is basically how and why God gave birth to His offspring, so it's more than just someone making a painting, it's more like someone giving birth and making new life in that way.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The Man from U.N.C.L.E.?

Empire Strikes Back!

 

[KWCrazy]

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Sounds like the Lord formed them to me.
Abiogenesis would read, "Out of the ground every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air formed itself to the wonderment of God who had no idea that could happen."

 

[KWCrazy]

A living creator can take non living things and make something from those non-living things - but the things he makes will not be living!

That is correct unless the creator is God.
The Creator can take elements from the planet He just created out of nothingness and form an animal then give it life, or He can say "Let there be birds" and the sky fills with them. The process of creating each of the animals named was completed in a day. Abiogenesis to molecules to adult life in one day? Do you seriously think that could be performed in a lab?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is correct unless the creator is God.
The Creator can take elements from the planet He just created out of nothingness and form an animal then give it life, or He can say "Let there be birds" and the sky fills with them. The process of creating each of the animals named was completed in a day. Abiogenesis to molecules to adult life in one day? Do you seriously think that could be performed in a lab?

But we know that the Adam and Eve story is a myth. By referring to it you sink your own argument. If you want to claim that there was a creator you need valid evidence for one. All of the observable evidence out there indicates that there is no need of a creator.

Abiogenesis is a process that took an unknown amount of time. Probably thousands of years. Certainly not a day or so.

 

[AV1611VET]

But we know that the Adam and Eve story is a myth. By referring to it you sink your own argument. If you want to claim that there was a creator you need valid evidence for one.

How would valid evidence for a creator confirm the Adam and Eve story?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How would valid evidence for a creator confirm the Adam and Eve story?

Why do you ask such pointless questions? It wouldn't. Evidence for a creator would not even tell us that abiogenesis did not happen.

 

[KWCrazy]

You know, we could divide most people into one of three groups.
Atheists / agnostics: Don't believe the Bible.
Christians: Believe the Bible.
Theistic Evolutionists: Say they believe the Bible, but deny a third of it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you ask such pointless questions?

To hear pointless answers, I suppose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To hear pointless answers, I suppose.

Again that is your sin.

And I am amazed that creationists continue to make the error of moving the goalposts in this topic. Since evolution is not dependent upon abiogenesis you tacitly confirm evolution by doing so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know, we could divide most people into one of three groups.
Atheists / agnostics: Don't believe the Bible.
Christians: Believe the Bible.
Theistic Evolutionists: Say they believe the Bible, but deny a third of it.

When one can show that something is wrong that is not denying it. Loaded terminology is not an honest tactic to use in a debate. You would be wise to avoid it in the future.

 

[Kylie]

No because the story of creation is basically how and why God gave birth to His offspring, so it's more than just someone making a painting, it's more like someone giving birth and making new life in that way.

As someone who has actually made a new life like this, I can tell you that it was made from already living cells.

So claiming God did it from dust doesn't work, does it?

If your only ingredients are non-living, then you don't make them into a living thing.

 

[Kylie]

That is correct unless the creator is God.
The Creator can take elements from the planet He just created out of nothingness and form an animal then give it life, or He can say "Let there be birds" and the sky fills with them. The process of creating each of the animals named was completed in a day. Abiogenesis to molecules to adult life in one day? Do you seriously think that could be performed in a lab?

Ah yes. You establish all these rules and limitations...

And then claim that they don't count when it comes to God. And yet you can never give a satisfactory reason why. All I ever get told is, "Because he's God!"

 

[Kylie]

You know, we could divide most people into one of three groups.
Atheists / agnostics: Don't believe the Bible.
Christians: Believe the Bible.
Theistic Evolutionists: Say they believe the Bible, but deny a third of it.

I'm not aware of ANYONE who does not deny at least a part of the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

If your only ingredients are non-living, then you don't make them into a living thing.

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.