Abiogenesis is a Lie

[RickG]

No ... not even close.

Water supports life. Water is not a living thing. Water supports life but it is not a living thing. It is not even organic.

What's this have to do with anything?

Genesis 2:21 Does a man have one less rib than a woman?

Nice try, Rick, but according to Wikipedia:

Are you quote mining? Abiogenesis is how life arises from "organic" matter, not inorganic matter.

 

[RickG]

Rick, do you mind moving your red herring to another bus? thank you.

I did not bring up the topic of string theory. It is Jamin you need to ask to transfer to another bus at the next stop.

 

[AV1611VET]

Genesis 2:21 Does a man have one less rib than a woman?

No ... I'm not a Lamarckist.

 

[RickG]

No ... I'm not a Lamarckist.

Interesting that you would seem to understand one of the rudimentary concepts about Lamarckism, yet make many incorrect statements concerning ToE. Yes indeed, very interesting...very interesting indeed.

 

[Doveaman]

I think I understand the verses ok. And I agree that dust is non-life. The point that Gen. 2:7 makes is that while man was *formed* from the dust, he didn't become a living being until God breathed into him the breath of life.

Very good observation.

The body from dust. The life from God.

Which raises an interesting question: Was the body dead before it was alive?

 

[CabVet]

Since Adam & Eve came from God, and since God is Life, we believe in biogenesis, not abiogenesis.

That is very different from abiogenesis being a lie.

 

[[serious]]

Let me point out that "abiogenesis" specifies "not from life."

Does a cake come from a baker?

Stop looking at the ingredients and look at the Chef.

Cake is not made from bakers.

In the miler-urey experiment, it was shown that inorganic compounds could give rise to animo acids under conditions similar to those that existed on early earth. (further experiments showed similar results with revised early earth models). A scientist flipping the light switch doesn't mean that the organic compound came from life.

 

[Stoneghost]

Abiogenesis = a_biogenesis = not_from life.

Abiogenesis is a descriptive term that says that life did not arise from life ... nothing more, nothing less.

Asking someone where life came from and he answering, "Abiogenesis", is like asking, "Who parked this car here?", and someone answering, "Not John."

Since Adam & Eve came from God, and since God is Life, we believe in biogenesis, not abiogenesis.

Nice try, Rick, but according to Wikipedia:

I'm sorry, which is it? That abiogenesis says 'life from nothing' or abiogensis means 'the study of the formation of life form natural processes'. You quoted the later definition to counter someone else claim so I can only assume you agree with it. But then that would contradict your original post which contains neither the 'study of' element nor the 'natural processes' element. Can you clarify just what your point is?

 

[dysert]

Very good observation.

The body from dust. The life from God.

Which raises an interesting question: Was the body dead before it was alive?

I guess we would say the body was dead if we define "dead" as the absence of life. Maybe kinda like how things will happen at the resurrection after we've died.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sorry, which is it? That abiogenesis says 'life from nothing' or abiogensis means 'the study of the formation of life form natural processes'. You quoted the later definition to counter someone else claim so I can only assume you agree with it. But then that would contradict your original post which contains neither the 'study of' element nor the 'natural processes' element. Can you clarify just what your point is?

Where did I say abiogenesis says 'life from nothing'?

 

[RickG]

Nice try, Rick, but according to Wikipedia:

Abiogenesis or biopoiesis is the study of how biological life could arise from inorganic matter through natural processes.

Okay AV, upon reviewing post 12 I see I made an error. I incorrectly took "biopoiesis" as "biogenesis". When I realize an error, I will correct it.

However, in reading the first sentence which came from the wiki article on abiogenesis, and as a person who spent much of my professional life as a chemist, I disagree with the statement, "...how biological life could arise from inorganic matter...". It is incorrect or at the very least misleading.

There are millions of organic compounds, many of which are naturally occurring. Abiogenesis is the origin of life by way of organic compounds. Now granted, the wiki article states, "inorganic matter". In that respect, inorganic matter could be at the "elemental" level. For example, carbon and hydrogen are both inorganic. However, they quite easily and naturally do combine to form CH or a number of CH chains. Those are organic compounds. I don't think any scientist would worth his/her salt would say the earth formed originally from only inorganic compounds. Especially when organic compounds are observed in space as well as even amino acids, the building blocks of life.

 

[Delphiki]

Abiogenesis = a_biogenesis = not_from life.

Abiogenesis is a descriptive term that says that life did not arise from life ... nothing more, nothing less.

Asking someone where life came from and he answering, "Abiogenesis", is like asking, "Who parked this car here?", and someone answering, "Not John."

Since Adam & Eve came from God, and since God is Life, we believe in biogenesis, not abiogenesis.

I believe in this case, the word actually reads as "a-bio-" (non life) "-genesis" (origin/formation). The word just represents the study of hypothetical processes of life from non-life, however it may have happened.

 

[Stoneghost]

Where did I say abiogenesis says 'life from nothing'?

I interpreted your second and third sentences has stating that. That is not what you meant?

 

[Doveaman]

I guess we would say the body was dead if we define "dead" as the absence of life. Maybe kinda like how things will happen at the resurrection after we've died.

Yup, a resurrected (recreated) Adam is right up my street.

 

[Smidlee]

Water is not life. No matter how you look at it, it is life from non life.

How many ribs does a man have? How many ribs does a woman have?

Living cells takes non-living stuff and produces another living cell. The Living GOD takes non-living stuff and produces life. This is what life came from life means.

 

[rikerjoe]

Abiogenesis = a_biogenesis = not_from life.

Abiogenesis is a descriptive term that says that life did not arise from life ... nothing more, nothing less.

Asking someone where life came from and he answering, "Abiogenesis", is like asking, "Who parked this car here?", and someone answering, "Not John."

Since Adam & Eve came from God, and since God is Life, we believe in biogenesis, not abiogenesis.

If god is life, answering the question "where does life come from?" with "god", doesn't answer the question.

 

[Smidlee]

If god is life, answering the question "where does life come from?" with "god", doesn't answer the question.

The answer then would be Life is eternal.

 

[AV1611VET]

The answer then would be Life is eternal.

Correct.

 

[Strathos]

You certainly want to make old threads eternal...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Abiogenesis = a_biogenesis = not_from life.

Abiogenesis is a descriptive term that says that life did not arise from life ... nothing more, nothing less.

Asking someone where life came from and he answering, "Abiogenesis", is like asking, "Who parked this car here?", and someone answering, "Not John."

Actually, abiogenesis, in the strict meaning of the word, is true by definition if addresses the origins of life.

"first" life necessarily doesn't come from previous life - or it wouldn't be FIRST life.
The origins of life can not be explained by saying that it came from previously existing life, because then we aren't talking about the origins of life.

However life originated, life didn't exist prior to it. That's kind of the thing about the origins of something.

Since Adam & Eve came from God, and since God is Life, we believe in biogenesis, not abiogenesis.

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