Abe or Benny?

[juvenissun]

So, Adam wanted to obey all God's commandments. But Eve told Adam that she is going to die this day and he will stay alone and he won't be able to obey the first commandment - to multiply and replenish the earth.

Would Adam understand what Eve told him? No, he would not.
So, Adam replied to Eve: Are you crazy? Now, come back home with me.

 

[Alla27]

Would Adam understand what Eve told him? No, he would not.

Why not?
He understood these words:
Eve: "Adam, I just ate this fruit. If you don't eat it you will be left alone in the garden."
(I know that it was not all she told him. But I will stop here. )

So, Adam replied to Eve: Are you crazy? Now, come back home with me.

Yes, it is possible that his first reaction was: "Are you crazy, girl? No way. I am not eating this fruit. There are plenty of great food here"
But Eve already KNEW something Adam didn't know yet. She explained to him why it is better to become like Gods.

 

[juvenissun]

Why not?
He understood these words:
Eve: "Adam, I just ate this fruit. If you don't eat it you will be left alone in the garden."
(I know that it was not all she told him. But I will stop here. )

Yes, it is possible that his first reaction was: "Are you crazy, girl? No way. I am not eating this fruit. There are plenty of great food here"
But Eve already KNEW something Adam didn't know yet. She explained to him why it is better to become like Gods.

It is possible that Adam do not understand what Eve said, and do not believe what she said.

Adam has both Eve (at least he thinks he does) and God, why would he want to disobey? And Adam should be very curious about what death is. Is death just letting one be able to say many crazy ideas like what Eve is doing? Separation from each other? Why?

Seriously, I don't think even Eve knows what death is after eating the fruit. How would she know what death is even she now knows the difference between good and evil? Satan did not lie. She did not "die". How would she know God would expel her from the Garden? I don't even know that. If Adam did not eat the fruit, would God still do what He does?

(you don't have to repeat your idea again, unless you have some new understanding).

 

[ChetSinger]

...She explained to him why it is better to become like Gods...

I'm curious. These conversations are not recorded in Genesis. So where do you get them from?

 

[Alla27]

It is possible that Adam do not understand what Eve said, and do not believe what she said.

According to the Bible:
Adam ate the fruit. He made the decision to follow his wife. Eve said something to him, of course. May be she told him that it was great to become like Gods knowing good and evil. May be Eve already knew that it was GOOD what she did.
Adam was NOT tempted like Eve was (according to the Bible). So, it was decision after some thought process.
God gave two commandments: 1) multiply and replenish the earth and 2)do not eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
God said they will die the same day.
Adam: " So, God gave me this gift, my wife whom I love. God told me to multiply and replenish the earth. God told me that she is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. We are ONE FLESH now. Eve already ate the fruit and she will die.
What should I do? (we remember that Adam was NOT tempted as Eve was).
Oh, I know what I will do: I will OBEY the first commandment of God - multiply and replenish the earth even though I have to break the second commandment. From these two commandments of God I choose commandment number one.

Adam has both Eve (at least he thinks he does) and God, why would he want to disobey?

Adam chose to disobey the second commandment so he could obey the first one.
God is so wise. But you don't see this wisdom of God yet. You don't know why God planted this tree in the middle of the garden, why He let Satan to be in the garden to tempt Adam and Eve. You don't know why it was necessary to obey one commandment by breaking the other.
God is so wise.

Satan did not lie. She did not "die".

Serpent did lie. Adam and Eve died the same day AS GOD SAID. Does God lie? No, God doesn't lie.
Only God can promise LIFE, not Satan. Why do you think Satan was called "serpent" by the prophet/s? Because "serpent" is symbol of God of Israel. Satan who was not true God gave the promise that only true God can promise: "you will not die".
Satan didn't look like serpent. He looked like a man when he approached them. But the prophet called him "serpent" because the prophet understood very well that Satan tried to deceive them that he was true God.

 

[Alla27]

I'm curious. These conversations are not recorded in Genesis. So where do you get them from?

From the revelations that God gives to His Church in these last days.

 

[juvenissun]

According to the Bible:
Adam ate the fruit. He made the decision to follow his wife. Eve said something to him, of course. May be she told him that it was great to become like Gods knowing good and evil. May be Eve already knew that it was GOOD what she did.
Adam was NOT tempted like Eve was (according to the Bible). So, it was decision after some thought process.
God gave two commandments: 1) multiply and replenish the earth and 2)do not eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
God said they will die the same day.
Adam: " So, God gave me this gift, my wife whom I love. God told me to multiply and replenish the earth. God told me that she is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. We are ONE FLESH now. Eve already ate the fruit and she will die.
What should I do? (we remember that Adam was NOT tempted as Eve was).
Oh, I know what I will do: I will OBEY the first commandment of God - multiply and replenish the earth even though I have to break the second commandment. From these two commandments of God I choose commandment number one.


Adam chose to disobey the second commandment so he could obey the first one.
God is so wise. But you don't see this wisdom of God yet. You don't know why God planted this tree in the middle of the garden, why He let Satan to be in the garden to tempt Adam and Eve. You don't know why it was necessary to obey one commandment by breaking the other.
God is so wise.


Serpent did lie. Adam and Eve died the same day AS GOD SAID. Does God lie? No, God doesn't lie.
Only God can promise LIFE, not Satan. Why do you think Satan was called "serpent" by the prophet/s? Because "serpent" is symbol of God of Israel. Satan who was not true God gave the promise that only true God can promise: "you will not die".
Satan didn't look like serpent. He looked like a man when he approached them. But the prophet called him "serpent" because the prophet understood very well that Satan tried to deceive them that he was true God.

After Eve ate the fruit,
How would Eve know that she "died"?
How would Adam know that Eve "died"?
I think we accept that death means the separation from God.

Please, do not repeat what you have said many times.

 

[dlamberth]

So, why did Adam follow Eve?

Because he loved her.

 

[zippy2]

Because he loved her.

I never thought of that before. I don't know why but I just never did. Could it be that Adam followed Eve because he loved her and did not want to lose her? wow.

 

[dlamberth]

I never thought of that before. I don't know why but I just never did. Could it be that Adam followed Eve because he loved her and did not want to lose her? wow.

When I think of Adam's love for Eve, fear of losing her doesn't register for me as something he would have.

 

[zippy2]

When I think of Adam's love for Eve, fear of losing her doesn't register for me as something he would have.

I think they might have had an idea about death. God told them not to eat of the tree of good and evil lest they 'die'. So they had to have some concept of what that was, right? So. when Eve ate the forbidden fruit, Adam maybe ate it too so he could be with Eve? I dunno, just thinking out loud.

 

[ChetSinger]

From the revelations that God gives to His Church in these last days.

LDS doctrine, then. I thought so, but thanks for making it clear.

 

[doubtingmerle]

OK, everybody sees the ties to Genesis. The stories are similar. In our story how could you possibly know if Abe or Benny were telling the truth. Likewise in Genesis, if it had really happened, how were Adam and Eve supposed to know who was telling the truth? And if they had no way of knowing, how can they be faulted for making the wrong choice?

The same thing can be said for everybody who claims to speak for God, whether it is Jeremiah, or Paul, or Benny Hinn. How would any of them know if the voice they are hearing is the voice they should listen to, while claiming that those with other revelations are wrong?

 

[AV1611VET]

Likewise in Genesis, if it had really happened, how were Adam and Eve supposed to know who was telling the truth?

1. Adam & Eve were created as mature adults.

2. They walked and talked with God on a regular basis.

Note also that God tells Adam & Eve one thing, and an animal convinces them differently by having them appeal to their empirical senses?

That's the same thing that happens with scientists today: God says one thing, but animals appeal to their empirical senses, so they believe a lie.

 

[Alla27]

OK, everybody sees the ties to Genesis. The stories are similar. In our story how could you possibly know if Abe or Benny were telling the truth. Likewise in Genesis, if it had really happened, how were Adam and Eve supposed to know who was telling the truth?

Great question. I guess it all comes to faith or trust.
Genesis story:
They didn't have perfect knowledge of who tells them what. But I bet they trusted God. The Bible doesn't claim that they rebelled. The Bible claims that Eve was tempted but Adam was not. Eve trusted God that she will die. But she was tempted ( so much ) to become like Gods, that she decided to experience death. BTW, we know from the Bible that it is righteous desire to become like God.

And if they had no way of knowing, how can they be faulted for making the wrong choice?

God would never punish them for making wrong choices. And they never did. It was not possible to make right choices and wrong choices before they knew what good is and what evil is. To partake of the fruit was the right choice. To become like Gods to know good and evil was the right choice. That is why God never punished them.

The same thing can be said for everybody who claims to speak for God, whether it is Jeremiah, or Paul, or Benny Hinn. How would any of them know if the voice they are hearing is the voice they should listen to, while claiming that those with other revelations are wrong?

It is all about faith/trust.
When the Holy Ghost convinces me that certain things are true, I just trust.
But very often when we have faith first then we have evidence.
Jesus always asked first: "do you have faith? do you trust Me? " After He got the answer: "yes", evidence or miracle happened.

 

[Alla27]

After Eve ate the fruit,
How would Eve know that she "died"?

She trusted Word of God.

How would Adam know that Eve "died"?

When God would cast her our Adam would see it with his own eyes. Separation form God = death penalty = spiritual death.
Adam also trust Word of God that she would die physically.[/QUOTE]

 

[Alla27]

Because he loved her.

amen. And he loved God. He wanted to obey God's law - cleave to your wife and multiply and replenish the earth.

 

[juvenissun]

She trusted Word of God.

When God would cast her our Adam would see it with his own eyes. Separation form God = death penalty = spiritual death.
Adam also trust Word of God that she would die physically.

[/QUOTE]

God has not done anything to them yet. Nothing you said is known to them.
Eve knew good or evil after ate the fruit. But there is no evil in the Garden except the serpent (I am not sure the serpent is evil at that time). So, basically, Eve knows nothing more and nothing less after she ate the fruit. The fruit certainly does not let her know what is death.

 

[doubtingmerle]

1. Adam & Eve were created as mature adults.

2. They walked and talked with God on a regular basis.

Note also that God tells Adam & Eve one thing, and an animal convinces them differently by having them appeal to their empirical senses?

How did Adam and Eve know the being they were talking to was God? How did they know the being they were talking to was correct?

Just like if you were on a planet with Abe and Benny, how would you know that Abe was God and was right and Benny was not?

 

[AV1611VET]

1. Adam & Eve were created as mature adults.

How did Adam and Eve know the being they were talking to was God?

As I said:

Adam & Eve were created as mature adults.