Abe or Benny?

[Alla27]

Not that bad.
We are worse. Many many of us do not know those things.

True, may of us do not know many things. Many of us have different ideas of what right and wrong is.
So, Adam and Eve didn't know that breaking Abe's rule is evil(sin). They didn't know that obey Abe's rule is righteousness.
Hmm, what a world! no sin no righteousness. but every choice is neutral.

 

[Alla27]

I see Abe, Benny, and myself in the OP.

I don't see Genesis' Adam & Eve.

Do you?

Fair point.

 

[Alla27]

Suppose your life had begun this way: You wake up suddenly on a strange but beautiful planet, in the middle of a bountiful garden. After coming to your senses you start walking around, and that is when you meet Abe. Abe seems to be very smart. He tells you that he made everything here, and he will let you stay here if you follow one rule: Don't eat the purple apples. If you eat purple apples you will get sick and die. Then Abe leaves. OK, no problem, there are plenty of other things to eat here. You start eating the blue bananas. But then you meet Benny, who also seems to be very smart. Benny tells you Abe is not telling you the truth. Benny tells you if you eat purple apples you won't die like Abe says, but you will become as smart as Abe and Benny.

What do you do? Who do you believe, Abe or Benny?

I was told by admin that I can respond to your posts.
Hmm, what do I prefer? to live and not to be as smart as Abe? or to die and to become as smart as Abe? I would choose to die and to become as smart as Abe.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Hmm. Eve ate first. Adam knew she will die. But he made a choice: to follow Eve. I wonder why?

She was the taste tester.

 

[Alla27]

She was the taste tester.

So, why did Adam follow Eve?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

So, why did Adam follow Eve?

Because she didn't die.

 

[ChetSinger]

Adam gets blame for what?

Paul blames Adam for death coming into the world, as God had originally warned.

 

[Alla27]

Because she didn't die.

God didn't say they will die right away. Adam knew she will die the same day.

 

[Alla27]

Paul blames Adam for death coming into the world, as God had originally warned.

Blames? How can you blame someone who doesn't understand that disobey God is evil? Paul didn't say: I BLAME Adam.

 

[Alla27]

So, why did Adam follow Eve?

 

[ChetSinger]

Blames? How can you blame someone who doesn't understand that disobey God is evil? Paul didn't say: I BLAME Adam.

True, the word "blame" isn't there. But he did say that sin and death came into the world through Adam.

Btw, I'm already aware that LDS doctrine is quite different from Christian doctrine in this instance.

 

[juvenissun]

True, may of us do not know many things. Many of us have different ideas of what right and wrong is.
So, Adam and Eve didn't know that breaking Abe's rule is evil(sin). They didn't know that obey Abe's rule is righteousness.
Hmm, what a world! no sin no righteousness. but every choice is neutral.

It is too complicated.
No sin. Every choice is righteous.

 

[Alla27]

It is too complicated.
No sin. Every choice is righteous.

Really? EVERY choice is righteous? what is righteous choice I have to ask you then?
Even if we assume that you are correct and every choice is righteous then Adam and Eve didn't know this. They had no idea that their choices were righteous. They didn't know their choice to disobey God was sin/evil.

 

[Alla27]

True, the word "blame" isn't there. But he did say that sin and death came into the world through Adam.

Btw, I'm already aware that LDS doctrine is quite different from Christian doctrine in this instance.

Correct, sin and death entered this world through Adam, but nobody blamed Adam for this.

 

[Alla27]

sorry, I had to delete this.

 

[Alla27]

So, back to OP.
As I said before I would choose to become like Abe.
Now I want to explain why.
1) I have no idea what it means to die.
2) I really want to become like Abe. I want to know what He knows. I also want to know what death is. Abe knows.
Abe didn't say that I can not know what He knows. Abe didn't say: I don't want you become like Me.

 

[juvenissun]

Really? EVERY choice is righteous? what is righteous choice I have to ask you then?
Even if we assume that you are correct and every choice is righteous then Adam and Eve didn't know this. They had no idea that their choices were righteous. They didn't know their choice to disobey God was sin/evil.

A righteous choice is not a sinful choice. It is a very simple dichotomy.

Yes, Adam does not know right or wrong. All his actions are right until ...
And yes, Adam does not know what is wrong or sin. All he knows is that he would disobey what is told.

 

[juvenissun]

So, back to OP.
As I said before I would choose to become like Abe.
Now I want to explain why.
1) I have no idea what it means to die.
2) I really want to become like Abe. I want to know what He knows. I also want to know what death is. Abe knows.
Abe didn't say that I can not know what He knows. Abe didn't say: I don't want you become like Me.

In the OP, Abe is a stranger. Why do you want to be like him? Why don't you simply say you want be like God? Did Adam want to BE like God? I don't think so. Adam is perfectly happy as Adam himself.

 

[Alla27]

A righteous choice is not a sinful choice. It is a very simple dichotomy.

yes, of course, righteous is opposite of sinful. But what is righteous choice?

Yes, Adam does not know right or wrong. All his actions are right until ...

you still have to tell me what "righteous choice" is.

And yes, Adam does not know what is wrong or sin. All he knows is that he would disobey what is told.

Yes, he would know he would disobey, but he wouldn't know it is wrong to disobey.
BTW, there were 2 laws of God:
1)leave your father and mother and cleave unto your wife and multiply and replenish
2) do not partake of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
Adam had to choose: which law of God do I prefer to obey?
1)the first one - leave your father and multiply and replenish but disobey the second law
or
2)to obey the second law but then to disobey the first one.

 

[Alla27]

In the OP, Abe is a stranger. Why do you want to be like him?

I want to be as smart as he is.

Why don't you simply say you want be like God? Did Adam want to BE like God? I don't think so. Adam is perfectly happy as Adam himself.

Adam wanted to leave his father and his mother and to be with his wife so he could obey the first commandment of God - multiply and replenish the earth.