A tough questions for a blind man...

[realtruth101]

Would you be so kind to point out some of these failed prophesies?

Thanx...

you got to be kidding me?

 

[k4c]

you got to be kidding me?.....have you even studied your founding church mother Ellen White and her heretical writtings, and false prophecies, the list is so long! blatantly unbiblical.....seriously read what she wrote, if you still think she was a true prophetess, than Joseph Smith is a great prophet too, If Christians would only look at who there heretical church fathers were they would leave these false faiths and return to following Christ and the word of God

There is no perfect church only a perfect Savior but some churches have more truth than others..

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Did'nt have to wait long for you to misrepresent me or other people who come here in fellowship.
You're well known for agreeing with every K4c thread with "Amen". This post show how you feel about me agreeing with RT101 because I said " to his post. What's up with that?
I'm in the family whether you like it or not. You comparing SDA churches or other churches has nothing to do with what you and K4c are presenting without responding to rebuttals.

I wasn't refering to you Crib, you've been here longer than I and I know your status in the church. I was talking about the other faiths that seem curiously interested in what we are discussing here for some reason. And then to try and show us we're wrong... I don't think they do that in the JW room or the Mormon room.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

you got to be kidding me?.....have you even studied your founding church mother Ellen White and her heretical writtings, and false prophecies, the list is so long! blatantly unbiblical.....seriously read what she wrote, if you still think she was a true prophetess, than Joseph Smith is a great prophet too, If Christians would only look at who there heretical church fathers were they would leave these false faiths and return to following Christ and the word of God

I have read alot of here writings but from your evasive non-answer, I assume you haven't. I would be interested if you know what your are talking about or just repeating something you've read or been told.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I wasn't refering to you Crib, you've been here longer than I and I know your status in the church. I was talking about the other faiths that seem curiously interested in what we are discussing here for some reason. And then to try and show us we're wrong... I don't think they do that in the JW room or the Mormon room.

Among the folks who cause you concern, have you ever asked why they're interested in the discussion here? That might lead to an interesting discussion. My guess is that most aren't interested in trying to show you that you're wrong.

To my knowledge (at least among those who have been posting here for several years), everyone who posts here has some affiliation with the SDA denomination. This affiliation is what motivates their desire for fellowship.

BFA

 

[Cribstyl]

I wasn't refering to you Crib, you've been here longer than I and I know your status in the church. I was talking about the other faiths that seem curiously interested in what we are discussing here for some reason. And then to try and show us we're wrong... I don't think they do that in the JW room or the Mormon room.

Your response was a tag from only my comments of RT101 post of which I said too. This is what He said;

Its very obvious you should keep the Sabath, as a Holy day, or it will be a sin if you don't.

but the new testiment, The new Covenant, has freed us from such traditition as a gentile believer, you possibly are not a gentile and these laws are written on your heart, so you should keep them, but the bible is very clear for us who have accepted what is taught about these special days.

you could make everyday Holy and receive even a greater blessing than just the one, as long as its done unto the Lord. but I would stick just with the one as it has you pretty wrapped up all ready....God bless

This wisdom comes froms Roman 14, and not isolated texts from all over so I'm in agreement with it.

You redirected the dialog by asking him about EGW failed prophesies.
How is that dialog going?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Your response was a tag from only my comments of RT101 post of which I said too. This is what He said;


This wisdom comes froms Roman 14, and not isolated texts from all over so I'm in agreement with it.

You redirected the dialog by asking him about EGW failed prophesies.
How is that dialog going?

Ok Crib, it's all about you...

My dialogue with RT would go better if he would provide something to back up his accusations.

 

[k4c]

Every thread can be a continuing argument if we dont respond to the points made by those who reply to our post.

Can you answer my question?

 

[k4c]

you got to be kidding me?.....have you even studied your founding church mother Ellen White and her heretical writtings, and false prophecies, the list is so long! blatantly unbiblical.....seriously read what she wrote, if you still think she was a true prophetess, than Joseph Smith is a great prophet too, If Christians would only look at who there heretical church fathers were they would leave these false faiths and return to following Christ and the word of God

Did you know that founder of the Presbyterian church is an unrepented murderer? Did you know the largest denomination in the world killed more innocent people than all the wars? There are no perfect churches only a perfect Savior but some churches have more truth than others.

 

[realtruth101]

I have read alot of here writings but from your evasive non-answer, I assume you haven't. I would be interested if you know what your are talking about or just repeating something you've read or been told.

I didn't realize I was in the SDA forum, do your own research if your really interested in the truth, I would like to say more, but can't .....c-ya

 

[realtruth101]

Did you know that founder of the Presbyterian church is an unrepented murderer? Did you know the largest denomination in the world killed more innocent people than all the wars? There are no perfect churches only a perfect Savior but some churches have more truth than others.

Thats exactly why you shouldn't be a part of them!!!!!!!!!

 

[k4c]

Thats exactly why you shouldn't be a part of them!!!!!!!!!

The sins or beliefs of individuals do not disqualify sound biblical truth.

 

[realtruth101]

Ok Crib, it's all about you...

My dialogue with RT would go better if he would provide something to back up his accusations.

Well to be sure I don't offend the SDA lets look at Joseph Smith, do you believe he was a true prophet of God or not

 

[realtruth101]

The sins or beliefs of individuals do not disqualify sound biblical truth.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES MY FRIEND!

 

[k4c]

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES MY FRIEND!

So are you saying your church has a complete and accurate understanding of all truth and everyone in your church is without sin?

 

[ricker]

So you do not believe that we are also spiritual Israel? That we are Abrahams seed? Why would God have a bias towards one group of people exclusively? Are we not all His creation? How do you view the gentiles in Moses day? Were they not subject to the same Laws as the Israelites? Did they not also receive the Law at Sinai?

Also, why is a sign a ceremonial law? A sign is a covenant and a mark of our allegiance to the creator, is it not?

We are told we are inheritors of the promise to Abraham, which he recieved by faith, not works of the law.

So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6

6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.


Find me one place where the Bible says we are inheritors of the law.

 

[ricker]

God can take something meant for His creation and use it as a sign of something else but that does not mean its not still important for the rest of the world. Did you know that the obeying the whole Law was supposed to be s a sign that we love God and man. As a matter offact, if we use idols in worship it means we hate God. Do you believe the rain bow is a covenant sign of a promise for Israel only or for the whole world?

The seventh day of creation was blessed, sanctified and called holy at creation before a Gentile or Jew ever existed. These words used by God to define the seventh day are important to grasp.

God reinstitued the Sabbath to the people He was calling out of the world. When we, Gentiles come to God we are grafted in and are given His Spirit in order that we walk in His ways and keep His Law. This is the promise of the new covenant. Keeping the Sabbath holy in light of what it represents is for mankind, this is how it was under the old covenant as well. Remember, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The word (the) identifies a spesific thing. If Jesus is your Lord then the Sabbath is your day as well.

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. Shall I start by saying an exclusive sign between God and Israel would preclude it being important to the rest of the world? Moral laws are universal, not given as a unique sign or covenant, as the Sabbath is called.

The rainbow was not given as a sign to Israel, as you must know.

I could easily go on but what's the use. Even though the Bible says the laws given at Sinai were not given to their fathers, they were added 430 years after Abraham, and so on and so on, you will choose to believe Mrs, White's view instead. The first recorded weekly Sabbath keeping was after the Exodus, and the BIble plainly says it was given as a sign and covenant between God and Israel. Mrs. White says Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath. That is plainly adding to the Bible.

 

[k4c]

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. Shall I start by saying an exclusive sign between God and Israel would preclude it being important to the rest of the world? Moral laws are universal, not given as a unique sign or covenant, as the Sabbath is called.

The rainbow was not given as a sign to Israel, as you must know.

I could easily go on but what's the use. Even though the Bible says the laws given at Sinai were not given to their fathers, they were added 430 years after Abraham, and so on and so on, you will choose to believe Mrs, White's view instead. The first recorded weekly Sabbath keeping was after the Exodus, and the BIble plainly says it was given as a sign and covenant between God and Israel. Mrs. White says Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath. That is plainly adding to the Bible.

The seventh day was blessed, sanctified and called holy before it was used as a sign of a covenant. God protected the sabbath by putting in the law. The law says nothing about it being a sign of a covenant. The sabbath used as a sign of a covenant is found outside of the 10 commandments.

 

[Cribstyl]

We are told we are inheritors of the promise to Abraham, which he recieved by faith, not works of the law.

So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6

6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.


Find me one place where the Bible says we are inheritors of the law.

Dont expect a reasonable response from some posters, they''ll have you chasing their spin of things and ignor your responses.

 

[Cribstyl]

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. Shall I start by saying an exclusive sign between God and Israel would preclude it being important to the rest of the world? Moral laws are universal, not given as a unique sign or covenant, as the Sabbath is called.

The rainbow was not given as a sign to Israel, as you must know.

I could easily go on but what's the use. Even though the Bible says the laws given at Sinai were not given to their fathers, they were added 430 years after Abraham, and so on and so on, you will choose to believe Mrs, White's view instead. The first recorded weekly Sabbath keeping was after the Exodus, and the BIble plainly says it was given as a sign and covenant between God and Israel. Mrs. White says Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath. That is plainly adding to the Bible.

Exactly Ricker, if God gave it as a sign between himself and the Children of Israel it's not likely that God changed His mind from it being a creation ordinance that the world was suppose to know about.

I also agree that moral law are intrinsic in human nature.

When the rainbow was given to Noah's and his children as a covenant sign, we find that God commanded them against killing other men. The does not appear in form as connected to the other 9 commandments. Gen 9:6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

The dialog in Gen 9 presents to us what God commanded to Noah's generation after the flood.

Here is a commandment on what to eat. Guess who will argue that God mean only clean animals. That's not what the scriptures say..
Gen 9:3Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.