A thread on evolution

[createdtoworship]

Wrong on more than one level. The video that you promised to watch dealt with your same video that attacks Dawkins. And you made no conditions besides my answering your question.

But you apparently know that you only posted a joke video here. I am satisfied with your loss.

I am satisfied with you thinking I lost so we can move on. soon you'll be calling me a liar like trump (who isn't a liar either).

 

[createdtoworship]

I wouldn't trust Ray Comfort if I were you. He deliberately edits his "movies" in such a way so that he looks like the smart guy and paint a bad picture on his interviewees.

Based on the questions he asks you can bet he didn't even manage to finish middle school and is in no position to talk about biology or evolution.

Get back to me when you watched the whole thing.. where 6 atheists admit defeat and some become christian

 

[createdtoworship]

You guys are shooting your self in the foot by attacking ray comfort, you make the atheists look unintelligent, cause they agreed with his common sense. maybe you guys lack that common sense.

 

[createdtoworship]

You made it a topic when you promised to watch it and did not.

And I did watch your dishonest video about Dawkins. I don't know what you are complaining about.

No one is going to watch the video that you linked because they know that Comfort is a liar. I offered to watch it once you watched the video that you said that you would. I will even make it obvious that I watched your video.

So once more, watch the video that I linked for you. Ask me questions whenever you get confused, and you will be confused since you do not have a very deep science education, I will gladly help you understand those parts.

Praying for you bud. seem to be really bitter.

 

[createdtoworship]

You do know that these videos are selectively edited right? That there are probably hundreds of of interviews by Ray where the above didn't happen. It's just he's never going to put that footage in his videos, because he's trying to create a specific narrative.

That's why these types of videos are a bit of a joke really. You simply gather enough raw footage and then cut small snippets together to frame whatever viewpoint you're trying to create.

Prove it

 

[createdtoworship]

I pray God can move in on your hardened hearts and penetrate.

 

[HitchSlap]

You guys are shooting your self in the foot by attacking ray comfort, you make the atheists look unintelligent, cause they agreed with his common sense. maybe you guys lack that common sense.

Maybe.

 

[HitchSlap]

I pray God can move in on your hardened hearts and penetrate.

Want to put some money on it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am satisfied with you thinking I lost so we can move on. soon you'll be calling me a liar like trump (who isn't a liar either).

Now, now, calling you a liar would be against the rules. I would not want to break the rules. I already showed that you are relying on a liar. Hmm, I think I will post that video again, since you did not seem to understand it.

I will gladly answer any questions on the video for you:

In the above video one can see how Comfort dishonestly edits his own videos.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Prove it

I already did. To "prove it" one must do so with another video. Hmm, perhaps some more proof is needed.

 

[pitabread]

Prove it

There's nothing really to "prove". It's just a basic understanding of how journalism works. Have you ever been interviewed before? I have on multiple occasions (both TV and newsprint). It's amazing to me how just much footage or dialog they collect and how the majority of it isn't used. You can sit down for a 15 to 20 minute interview only to have all of 5 seconds of video or a single quote show up in the final product. In some cases it can even involve multiple takes of the same question. (Imagine answering the same question over again just to get a better 'version' of it).

You can find out this for yourself if you follow any Youtubers who do interview style videos or other videos involving the public. I follow some Youtubers that have talked about the process. Street magic videos are a good example of this. Street magicians will film hours of tricks with various pedestrians and then cherry-pick the very best results. Any times the trick failed or they didn't get a good reaction from the participants, they don't use that footage. They just take the best responses. The result is that a dozen or more hours of raw footage can get distilled down a single 20 minute or so video.

It's no different with what Ray Comfort is doing. He probably collected dozens of hours of video footage over multiple days solely to put together a single 1 hour video. Naturally all the times people actually rebut his questions or laugh at him or whatever, he's not going to show. He's given you a carefully constructed and highly biased end result. After all, you're not seeing everything that went into making this, only the finished product.

Maybe you expected to post that video here and think we'd have the same sorts of reactions as his interview subjects. But what you're seeing here isn't edited or filtered. Those of us non-believers who are familiar with Ray Comfort tend to think he is a joke. Hence, we're not falling over in amazement, we're just laughing at him.

If you really think a Ray Comfort-style video is a true representation of a discussion (and attempted conversion) a non-believer then you really have a lot to learn.

 

[createdtoworship]

Want to put some money on it?

gambling on it, and praying about it are two separate things. But you should try some of the video, it may do you good. Just saying.

 

[pitabread]

You guys are shooting your self in the foot by attacking ray comfort, you make the atheists look unintelligent, cause they agreed with his common sense. maybe you guys lack that common sense.

Now, now, don't get upset just because you're not getting the reactions you wanted. Being familiar with Ray Comfort's schtick, I can tell you that we're well safe from him disproving anything in the scientific realm. And for that matter I highly doubt his typical apologetics routine would work on many non-believers. It's just downright silly.

 

[createdtoworship]

There's nothing really to "prove". It's just a basic understanding of how journalism works. Have you ever been interviewed before? I have on multiple occasions (both TV and newsprint). It's amazing to me how just much footage or dialog they collect and how the majority of it isn't used. You can sit down for a 15 to 20 minute interview only to have all of 5 seconds of video or a single quote show up in the final product. In some cases it can even involve multiple takes of the same question. (Imagine answering the same question over again just to get a better 'version' of it).

You can find out this for yourself if you follow any Youtubers who do interview style videos or other videos involving the public. I follow some Youtubers that have talked about the process. Street magic videos are a good example of this. Street magicians will film hours of tricks with various pedestrians and then cherry-pick the very best results. Any times the trick failed or they didn't get a good reaction from the participants, they don't use that footage. They just take the best responses. The result is that a dozen or more hours of raw footage can get distilled down a single 20 minute or so video.

It's no different with what Ray Comfort is doing. He probably collected dozens of hours of video footage over multiple days solely to put together a single 1 hour video. Naturally all the times people actually rebut his questions or laugh at him or whatever, he's not going to show. He's given you a carefully constructed and highly biased end result. After all, you're not seeing everything that went into making this, only the finished product.

Maybe you expected to post that video here and think we'd have the same sorts of reactions as his interview subjects. But what you're seeing here isn't edited or filtered. Those of us non-believers who are familiar with Ray Comfort tend to think he is a joke. Hence, we're not falling over in amazement, we're just laughing at him.

If you really think a Ray Comfort-style video is a true representation of a discussion (and attempted conversion) a non-believer then you really have a lot to learn.

prove it, with real proof, not just your opinion. And I used to work at a newspaper so I have some knowledge how journalism works.

 

[Obliquinaut]

gambling on it, and praying about it are two separate things. But you should try some of the video, it may do you good. Just saying.

I am curious why you need someone else's video to make points you believe in? Why can't you discuss the points?

I mean, no one is asking you to get a science degree (although it would be a good thing).

I'm fascinated by this penchant of many creationists to think that posting someone else's hours and hours of video will be compelling in any way. ESPECIALLY if the poster doesn't bother to actually even try to discuss the points.

How lazy does one have to be to dump a bunch of video from someone else out and say "QED"?

 

[Job 33:6]

You guys are shooting your self in the foot by attacking ray comfort, you make the atheists look unintelligent, cause they agreed with his common sense. maybe you guys lack that common sense.

I'm a Christian and I don't even feel like listening to Ray Comfort for an hour.

You should post specific information from the video that you find compelling. Rather than asking everyone to watch an hour long youtube video.

 

[Obliquinaut]

prove it, with real proof, not just your opinion. And I used to work at a newspaper so I have some knowledge how journalism works.

You worked at a newspaper? Was it common practice to write a story that said: "Bob Smith found guilty of murder. Go find something on TV about it. -30-"

Is that how journalism is done?

 

[HitchSlap]

gambling on it, and praying about it are two separate things. But you should try some of the video, it may do you good. Just saying.

I only have time to watch videos that make me a better person.

 

[Obliquinaut]

You should post specific information from the video that you find compelling. Rather than asking everyone to watch an hour long youtube video.

You have to admit this is much easier on Grady.

 

[pitabread]

prove it, with real proof, not just your opinion.

Oh come on, unless you're expecting me to break into his video editing facility to steal a bunch of raw footage, you're just being obstinate.

I know you don't want to believe what you're being fed is a biased, carefully edited, and likely non-representative picture of discussions with non-believers. But hey, it's the reality.

You want to find out what a real response to Ray's interviews would look like? Try posing some of his questions online in an atheism forum or something and see what kind of response you get. Heck, just look at the response you got here.

And I used to work at a newspaper so I have some knowledge how journalism works.

Then you should know how interviews work, how editing works (and can be used to frame a particular narrative), and so on. Heck, and this isn't even assuming some of the more duplicitous techniques like using 'plants' (i.e. actors) instead of real people.

I really shouldn't need to explain this to you.