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The difference is that the Christian claiming that there is a God is making a statement about something external to themselves - they believe in a God that is separate to themselves. A trans person telling you their gender is not making a statement about something external to themselves.
So you're saying that their gender identity has no biological or neurological reality behind it?
No.
When a Christian says that God exists, they are saying that God exists independant to themselves. They are saying that God is separate to them. God is not a part of them. They are not making a statement about some part of their own self, they are making a statement about the nature of the universe. They are saying that God exists, even if they didn't.
When a trans person says they are trans, they are talking about a quality of themselves. Their transness, the qualities they are describing that make them trans, exist solely in themselves, and they are NOT describing some external characteristic of the universe. If they did not exist, their transness would not exist either.
I mean, I thought I was quite clear about this. Did you miss the NOT in the last sentence of my post?
People who live in a high crime neighborhood are mistreated by the police at a far greater rate than people who live in a low crime neighborhood. It’s more of an economical issue rather than a racial issue.Are you suggesting that black people are not mistreated by police at a far greater rate than white people in America?
What constitutes discrimination? Refusing to pretend a biological man is a woman?No, I was making the statement that trans people are MORE LIKELY to face discrimination than the average American.
Context my friend; context."What goes on in other countries is not my concern."
But if a person born with a penis says they are a woman, that their gender identity is a woman, are we to say, "Well, I'm not going to believe you until explain it to my satisfaction"?
How is Ken refusing to recognize that a person's feeling of being trans is anything more than a delusion any different from you refusing to recognize that God is anything more than someone's delusion?
People who live in a high crime neighborhood are mistreated by the police at a far greater rate than people who live in a low crime neighborhood. It’s more of an economical issue rather than a racial issue.
And studies have shown minority police officers kill minorities at a significantly higher rate than white officers, (even though if you listen to the media you would think otherwise) though this is because minority officers are more likely to patrol minority neighborhoods thus have more contact with minority suspects
https://psmag.com/social-justice/black-cops-are-just-as-likely-as-whites-to-kill-black-suspects
What constitutes discrimination? Refusing to pretend a biological man is a woman?
Context my friend; context.
Also do you know the difference between
a) What goes on in other countries is not my concern
b) I’m not concerned about other people
Do you understand the difference between those two statements?
I'd like to know how they know....what the indicators are.
You literally linked me to a page filled with theory....which would be more significant if it wasn't psychological theory. Psychological theory is weak and often untestable.
You see...you're accepting the claims uncritically. Do you accept this claim uncritically as well?
What Does gender-fluid Mean? | Gender & Sexuality by Dictionary.com
That's basically a "trans identity" that can change...back and forth...between genders or neither gender, at any time. It's rather strongly contrasted with the idea you're putting forth about a trans person being quite firmly stuck in a gender identity that doesn't match their physical appearance.
Do you accept this uncritically as well?
For a start, there's no evidence to show that a person's gender identity not matching their body is a delusion. I'm not aware of any reputable health organisation that treats it as such.
Secondly, I've already pointed out how belief in God is a person making a statement about the universe external to themselves, while a person making a statement about their gender identity is making a statement about themselves, not the universe external to them.
What if someone told you they were God? That's making a statement about themselves. Would you believe it?
Didn’t you understand what I said? Black people are more likely to live in a high crime neighborhood, and anybody living in a high crime neighborhood is more likely to receive mistreatment from the cops! What part of this do you not understand?Wow, you don't read my posts, do you?
I'm talking about how black people are more likely to be killed by cops. I'm talking about the people being killed, not the people doing the killing.
It has nothing to do with treatment.Maybe refusing to respect a person's wishes about how they wish to be treated?
This conversation is about the people in the USA not other countries. That’s why I said “What goes on in other countries is not my concern.” to bring people from other countries into the conversation would be a change of subject.So you're concerned about things that don't concern you.
If I weren’t actually listening to what you were saying, I would not have been able to voice my objections to what you were saying.You've made it clear that you aren't interested in actually listening to other viewpoints about this.
I think it is in your best interest to continue this discussion. You’ve got a lot to learn, and discussing with me will give you an opportunity to learn and growWant to tell me why I should waste my time continuing this discussion?
Are you actually equating that being trans is like being god? I mean, what if they told you they had just returned from Cambodia? Are we to refuse to accept ANY claim from them without a ton of evidence? Why do you treat a person being trans as being as difficult to believe as them being God?
You seem to be stuck on this idea that if you can't personally understand something, then the claims of those who experience it can't be relied on.
If you were blind, would you be similarly critical of the colour red?
It has nothing to do with treatment.
If I weren’t actually listening to what you were saying, I would not have been able to voice my objections to what you were saying.
I think it is in your best interest to continue this discussion. You’ve got a lot to learn, and discussing with me will give you an opportunity to learn and grow
Well the only criteria you used was differentiating between claims about a person and claims external to them.
Not at all.
There's a rather clear explanation for "red"...rods and cones, reflected light, and so on. I don't need to rely on vague and undefined explanations like "an innate sense".
Furthermore...it's got nothing to do with my inability to "understand" something and more to do with the lack of a coherent explanation.
Not if they claim that they themselves are God.
So, as I said, dismissing the claims of trans people only works if you are saying that someone claiming they are trans is equivalent to someone claiming they are God.
I think that's the case for most people.The majority of problems trans people face are entirely about how they are treated by others.
Because I find their request to be unreasonable.And yet you've never been able to explain why you object to the simple idea of addressing trans people the way they ask you to.
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