A Resolution Condemning White Supremacy Causes Chaos at the Southern Baptist Convention

[tulc]

A Resolution Condemning White Supremacy Causes Chaos at the Southern Baptist Convention

Leaders from the Southern Baptist Convention were divided over a resolution affirming the denomination’s opposition to white supremacy and the alt-right during their annual meeting in Phoenix this week. On Tuesday, they initially declined to consider the proposal submitted by a prominent black pastor in Texas, Dwight McKissic, and only changed course after a significant backlash. The drama over the resolution revealed deep tension lines within a denomination that was explicitly founded to support slavery.

tulc(is curious what others think of this)

 

[FireDragon76]

Color me unsurprised. These are the same folks that argued that blacks were the inheritors of the curse of Ham, and that slavery was in fact doing them a favor.

"Rev. Dwight McKissic... the Protestant mainline welcomes you."

 

[tstor]

tulc(is curious what others think of this)

I can see why it would be problematic. Namely, the bit about it condemning the "alt-right." The label is so ill-defined that a firm condemnation may end up polarizing individuals the SBC never meant to.

 

[HereIStand]

A Resolution Condemning White Supremacy Causes Chaos at the Southern Baptist Convention

tulc(is curious what others think of this)

Alt-right can be defined to condemn actual racists, or it can be defined to include anyone who is outspoken in opposing the progressive agenda. It should be assumed that Southern Baptists oppose racism. The resolution sounds like progressive ruse.

 

[FireDragon76]

Alt-right can be defined to condemn actual racists, or it can be defined to include anyone who is outspoken in opposing the progressive agenda. It should be assumed that Southern Baptists oppose racism. The resolution sounds like progressive ruse.

Overly political labels should be dropped, especially for something as ill-defined as the "alt-right". There is definitely a resurgence of white nationalism, racism, and xenophobia, however.

Thabiti Anyabwile, a black Southern Baptist pastor, tweeted that "any 'church' that cannot denounce white supremacy without hesitancy and equivocation is a dead, Jesus denying assembly. No 2 ways about it"

Amen.

Southern Baptist Convention in uproar over 'alt-right'

 

[brinny]

I can see why it would be problematic. Namely, the bit about it condemning the "alt-right." The label is so ill-defined that a firm condemnation may end up polarizing individuals the SBC never meant to.

Exactly.

 

[brinny]

Alt-right can be defined to condemn actual racists, or it can be defined to include anyone who is outspoken in opposing the progressive agenda. It should be assumed that Southern Baptists oppose racism. The resolution sounds like progressive ruse.

Exactly.

 

[Hank77]

A Resolution Condemning White Supremacy Causes Chaos at the Southern Baptist Convention

tulc(is curious what others think of this)

I think they did a pretty good job with the revised version but I think that they should have left in the 'curse of Ham' and left out the 'alt-right' verbiage. I think it would have addressed the 'white supremacist doctrine' clearly. I don't think that all of those in the 'alt-right' movement are white supremacists, are they?

 

[Saucy]

I think they did a pretty good job with the revised version but I think that they should have left in the 'curse of Ham' and left out the 'alt-right' verbiage. I think it would have addressed the 'white supremacist doctrine' clearly. I don't think that all of those in the 'alt-right' movement are white supremacists, are they?

No it's just another broad brush the left likes to use to label people racist they don't agree with. Because we think we should focus more on own own domestic issues instead of sending out more billions of dollars overseas, because we like secure borders, etc, we're racist. The problem is, we love everyone who comes here as long as they do it rightfully and don't break the laws of our land.

 

[FireDragon76]

I think they did a pretty good job with the revised version but I think that they should have left in the 'curse of Ham' and left out the 'alt-right' verbiage. I think it would have addressed the 'white supremacist doctrine' clearly. I don't think that all of those in the 'alt-right' movement are white supremacists, are they?

Depends on what you mean by white supremacy. Now days white supremacists don't always wear hoods. Sometimes they have suits and ties and respectable-looking think-tanks.

 

[GUANO]

SBC in it's death throws.

 

[HereIStand]

Depends on what you mean by white supremacy. Now days white supremacists don't always wear hoods. Sometimes they have suits and ties and respectable-looking think-tanks.

Back in the day in the South, that was true. The Klan was made up of the respectable class. Not so today. A hint of racism would sink anyone's business or political career.

 

[Go Braves]

Not surprised. For a year I lived in a rural town where most of the folks went to a Southern Baptist church founded by members of the KKK. After desegregation laws went into effect at public schools they started up their own school to keep black kids out. Over time I think private schools had to desegregate too, but they remained very hostile to blacks.

 

[Albion]

Depends on what you mean by white supremacy. Now days white supremacists don't always wear hoods. Sometimes they have suits and ties and respectable-looking think-tanks.

...and there's one under every bed. They control the whole country. The only way to save our country from them is to pass a toothless resolution in a church convention!

Oh, and by the way, anyone who does NOT vote for such a resolution has to be one of them. "Obviously."

Then we'll take up whatever George Soros decides to make the next accusation du jour.

 

[tulc]

...and there's one under every bed. They control the whole country. The only way to save our country from them is to pass a toothless resolution in a church convention!

Oh, and by the way, anyone who does NOT vote for such a resolution has to be one of them. "Obviously."

Then we'll take up whatever George Soros decides to make the next accusation du jour.

tulc(is just sayn')

 

[WolfGate]

I read a good bit about this today. The SBC is strictly parliamentarian in how they run their meetings. The initial not considering the motion was based not on the issue but on wording not being properly stated per their conventions. In the end, they bent rules of order well beyond what would normally occur and passed an unequivocal resolution. Not Baptist at all, and I disagree with many of their positions, but in this case I think they deserve a job well done.

WHEREAS, Racism and white supremacy are, sadly, not extinct but present all over the world in various white supremacist movements, sometimes known as “white nationalism” or “alt-right”; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Phoenix, Arizona, June 13–14, 2017, decry every form of racism, including alt-right white supremacy, as antithetical to the Gospel of Jesus Christ; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we denounce and repudiate white supremacy and every form of racial and ethnic hatred as of the devil; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we acknowledge that we still must make progress in rooting out any remaining forms of intentional or unintentional racism in our midst; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we earnestly pray, both for those who advocate racist ideologies and those who are thereby deceived, that they may see their error through the light of the Gospel, repent of these hatreds, and come to know the peace and love of Christ through redeemed fellowship in the Kingdom of God, which is established from every nation, tribe, people, and language.

 

[Yarddog]

A Resolution Condemning White Supremacy Causes Chaos at the Southern Baptist Convention

tulc(is curious what others think of this)

It seems that they should condemn all racism, whether it be white, black, yellow, red, or any other color which mankind puts on people.

God loves us equally.

 

[WolfGate]

It seems that they should condemn all racism, whether it be white, black, yellow, red, or any other color which mankind puts on people.

God loves us equally.

The resolution did.

 

[Albion]

It seems that they should condemn all racism, whether it be white, black, yellow, red, or any other color which mankind puts on people.

God loves us equally.

EXACTLY. The SBC succumbed to a partisan political campaign devised by people who have no respect for the SBC or other Christian churches. The convention, by adopting a one-sided resolution that, in addition, dealt with what was a phony issue to begin with, did nothing admirable but, rather, only served to perpetuate and validate the phony charge.

 

[FireDragon76]

Back in the day in the South, that was true. The Klan was made up of the respectable class. Not so today. A hint of racism would sink anyone's business or political career.

Of course you could always be independently wealthy, like Richard Spencer, the man that originally coined the term "alt-right" to describe his movement. I don't see much cause for doubt that he's a racist.