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prostitution under the guise of morality
Shi'ite accept/ Sunnis reject

004.024 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Man who divorced his child bride by TEXT MESSAGE could be sacked in Indonesia - as Twitter backlash also claims judge who joked women 'enjoy rape' | Mail Online

By Alex Gore
PUBLISHED:04:46 EST, 18 February 2013| UPDATED:06:03 EST, 18 February 2013
A government official who sparked outrage by marrying a child bride could be sacked after divorcing her by text message four days into their marriage.
Aceng Fikri, 40, chief of Garut district in West Java province, Indonesia, was already married with two children when he wed the young girl.
In another case that highlights attitudes towards women's rights in the Southeast Asian country, a judge joked during a supreme court job interview that women might enjoying being raped.

But both officials are now at risk of losing their jobs, which has been seen as a small step forward by campaigners.
The supreme court has recommended the president dismiss Fikri for violating the marriage law, and police are investigating the case because it involves a minor.

The country's judicial commission has also called for Judge Muhammad Daming Sunusiat to be sacked for his comments about rape.

Unregistered polygamous marriages, such as Fikri's, are common in the archipelago. Although divorce by text message is rare, it is allowed under Islamic sharia law.
His ex-wife Fani Oktarahas, who was the legal age of 16 when she married him, denied his claims that she was not a virgin.
A photo of the wedding last summer was posted on the internet and caused a public outcry in the local media and on Twitter, blogs and Facebook. .



Thousands of people took to the streets in December to protest, with student and women's rights activists demanding he resign.
Protesters trampled and spat on photos of his face before setting them ablaze outside the council building in Garut.
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono responded by issuing a rare public condemnation of the 40-year-old official and his illegal marriage.

There has also been anger last month over the comments made by Judge Muhammad Daming Sunusiat at a parliamentary selection panel for a supreme court position.
He said it could be a mistake to impose the death penalty for rape because both the attacker and the victim 'might have enjoyed' it.

The remark reportedly drew laughter from panel members. Sunusi later apologised and said he had been joking.
Not only was Sunusi rejected for the job, but the country's Judicial Commission recommended that he be dismissed from his position on the South Sumatra high court.

But the supreme court would have to agree, and it has said such punishment would be too severe because he made the remark in an interview, not during a trial.
Husein Muhammad,of the commission on violence against women, said: 'Enough is enough!

'Our officials should no longer mess around and issue ridiculous statements even as a dumb joke.'
Women in the social-media-obsessed country have been rallying, online and on the streets, against sexists comments and attacks on women for some time.

The movement in a country of 240 million people, most of whom practice a moderate form of Islam, appears to be having some impact on the largely secular government.
Husein Muhammad added: 'We are living in a different era now. Now we have supporting laws and social media to bring severe consequences and social sanctions.'
But rights groups argue the country remains far behind on many issues involving gender equality and violence. Rape cases often are not properly investigated, and victims are sometimes blamed.

In 2011, after a woman was gang raped on a minibus, then-Jakarta governor Fauzi Bowo drew protests after warning women not to wear miniskirts on public transportation because it could arouse male passengers. Bowo lost his re-election bid last year.

A sex-trafficking case involving a 14-year-old girl prompted education minister Mohammad Nuh to say last year that not all girls who report such crimes are victims.
He said: 'They do it for fun, and then the girl alleges that it's rape.'
His response to the criticism he received was that it's difficult to prove whether sexual assault allegations are 'real rapes.'
Growing concern in Indonesia over women's rights reflects that in India, where a brutal and deadly New Delhi gang rape in December has drawn nationwide protests and demands for change. That case also resonated in Indonesia.
'Let's imagine the suffering of women who are treated badly by their husbands and the rape victims. What if it happened to our own families?' said Ellin Rozana, a women's rights activist in Bandung, capital of West Java province.
'We need government officials who will be on the front line to protect women, and judges who can see that violence against women is a serious crime.'
In the West Java official's case, it was the text-message divorce that prompted outrage more than his unregistered second marriage, though such weddings raise issues about women's rights.
They are regularly performed for Indonesians ranging from poor rice farmers to celebrities, politicians and Muslim clerics.
Polygamy remains common in many Muslim countries, based on Islamic teachings that allow men to take up to four wives.
In Indonesia, men are allowed to marry a second wife only after the first gives her blessing. Since most women refuse to agree to share their husbands, unregistered ceremonies, or 'nikah siri,' are often secretly carried out by an Islamic cleric outside the law.
Some of the marriages are simply a cover for prostitution. A cleric is paid to conduct 'contract marriages' as short as one night in some parts of Indonesia, usually for Middle Eastern tourists.
Practices differ slightly elsewhere, with men in places such as Malaysia sometimes marrying outside the country to avoid informing existing spouses and seeking permission from an Islamic court.

Ceremonies in Iraq are often held in secret for the same reason. No approval is needed in the Palestinian territories, but contract marriages are banned.

Without a marriage certificate, wives lack legal rights. Children from the marriage are often considered illegitimate and are typically not issued birth certificates, creating a lifetime of obstacles ranging from attending schools to getting a passport.

However, in another sign of Indonesia's changing attitudes, the supreme court this month ordered all judges to obey an earlier constitutional court ruling granting rights such as inheritance to children born out of wedlock, and to punish fathers who neglect them.

The women's commission on violence is now pushing for a revision of Indonesia's 1974 marriage law to grant more protections to women and children.

'I hope Indonesian women can take a lesson from Fikri's case,' said Ninik Rahayu of the commission.
'At least it has awakened their awareness to not marry in an illegal way.'
 

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Nikah mutah is not prostitution. The dowry for a nikah mutah is usually very very small, and symbolic. What prostitute do you know of would sleep with a man and then observe a 3 month waiting period before moving on to another for only a small pittance. It's usually not even money, but a Quran or something. Seriously? No prostitute in the world would sleep with a guy for a Quran. Not to mention the idda (waiting period) of 3 months. It just doesn't happen.

Prostitution =/= nikah mutah
 
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I think CF should just ban all muslim threads and quran/hadith quotations. It tires me to see christians approach threads and try to sypmpathize or find rationale for muslim behavior when the opposite should be true; that is muslims should be asking what they need to do to become christian.

Islams corrupt nature is obvious as threads like this show it but these threads are not achieving the desired result.
 
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And sevaka, a muslim shia, threatened you in the other thread that just now closed. Obvious is your admission to muslim ignorance, your admission to cut dialogue, and your character which is anything but Christ like.

Do i want this in CF. NO!

I did not threaten her. We have our differences, but I did not threaten her. I don't have a clue where you got that part from.
 
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I dont need to define "disassociation" do i? My argument is not with you eventhough you were debating shia sunni diferences on CF. Do you have a question on becoming Christian. Id be more than happy to accomodate you.

My disassociation was referring to Aisha and other historical figures. I am perfectly comfortable talking with or debating LoveBeingAMuslimah.

Also, yes I am interested in Christianity. Thanks. I posted in the OO forum.
 
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I think CF should just ban all muslim threads and quran/hadith quotations.

Except the ones you start, right? It's okay to talk about Islam as long as you're the one doing it, so you can lie, trash talk, and attack others, am I close?

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Personally, discussion on Islam doesn't particularly interest me as I have no interest in that religion. However, it is getting tiresome to see Islam-bashing threads literally dominate the first page of the forum; it means I have to go to work to make threads that nobody will visit because everyone is too busy raging over Islam lol.

My troubled life.
 
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Do you have a question on becoming Christian. Id be more than happy to accomodate you.

I think the "Exploring Christianity" forum is better suited for asking/answering questions about Christianity.

As the description says, this forum is about understanding and learning about different religions.

Personally, if I wanted ask about Christianity, I would go to ViaCrucis, Supreme, TG123, and a few others.
 
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I think CF should just ban all muslim threads and quran/hadith quotations. It tires me to see christians approach threads and try to sypmpathize or find rationale for muslim behavior when the opposite should be true; that is muslims should be asking what they need to do to become christian.

EXCEPT, of course, that some religions (tho' obviously not yours) teach elimination of prejudice, and respect and tolerance for other religions.

So sorry you're not part of one of these . . .

Bruce
 
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EXCEPT, of course, that some religions (tho' obviously not yours) teach elimination of prejudice, and respect and tolerance for other religions.

So sorry you're not part of one of these . . .

Bruce

Though, we'd welcome you if you wanted to join us.
 
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Nikah mutah is not prostitution. The dowry for a nikah mutah is usually very very small, and symbolic. What prostitute do you know of would sleep with a man and then observe a 3 month waiting period before moving on to another for only a small pittance. It's usually not even money, but a Quran or something. Seriously? No prostitute in the world would sleep with a guy for a Quran. Not to mention the idda (waiting period) of 3 months. It just doesn't happen.

Prostitution =/= nikah mutah

So maybe prostitution is the wrong term.

How about sick sexual immorality?
 
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Personally, discussion on Islam doesn't particularly interest me as I have no interest in that religion. However, it is getting tiresome to see Islam-bashing threads literally dominate the first page of the forum; it means I have to go to work to make threads that nobody will visit because everyone is too busy raging over Islam lol.

My troubled life.

So ignore them.

I discuss the "religion/ideology" that at the time preaches violence, immorality and has the standing order for it's followers to:

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

and kill those trying to leave their disgusting cult.

A religion that preaches husbands beat wives if they simply fear disobedience.

The only sure way of reaching paradise? - kill for allah

009.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme
 
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