Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Brother with all due respect what do these verses about "little children" prove ? It certainly didn't address anything I was saying in the quote that you have of me.
Because you said this and shows your state of heart in this matter.
"How is it possible for all children to be saved ? What if a child dies who was, before the foundation of the world, dammed to eternal hell? It doesn't matter if they're children because they were never chosen."
But you have no idea of how many, or how long, or how perfectly.Yes, I probably believe them more than you. Only I believe everything He said, including, to enter life, keep the commandments, and enter through the narrow gate which leads to life.
Ah ok. I was only asking that as a matter of internal consistency for the Calvinist. I'm not a calvinist but if I was i would be logically prohibited from saying that all children would be saved.
Ok, may you're not understanding my point. We both agree, according to your position there are those who are the unelect. They were such before the foundation of the world. Ok now, imagine that a mother is carrying a baby who was (before the foundation of the world) unelect. The baby's status doesn't change with age. It was unelect, so wheather it dies at 88 or at 8 that person will go to hell. How is this unavoidable?
You have no understanding of another person's relationship with God.
We just live in the present, only God knows what tomorrow brings.
For example, all the days ordained for us were written down in God's book before they came to be.
God has predetermined the day of our birth and the day we will die.
So if a child dies as an infant then it was their time to die and they will be with God.
But if the child grows into an old man and never confesses belief in Christ, they will die and go to the fire.
Everything God has foreknown and determined from the very foundation of the earth.
Psalm 139:14-17New King James Version (NKJV)
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them.
17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God!
How great is the sum of them!
I knew that was your position from reading your posts.Ok it doeant seem like we're on the same page lol. Even if it conceded the point as to the internal consistency of your view that still doesn't take into consideration that inidividual election unto salvation is not established in scripture. And just as a matter of fact there's no a single verse that shows God electing an individual unto eternal life or unto eternal damnation. We can begin with one if you have one in mind but please don't blast a bunch of scriptures because then we can't have a productive discussion. If you think there's one then let's look at one at a time. Thanks
I knew that was your position from reading your posts.
You can't fight the scriptures though and plenty of them point to individual election.
There is no point to showing them to you again, I am certain you have read them before.
"Reprobation Asserted" by John Bunyan - Chapters I, II and III
Oh, but I do. The Bible provides that answer.Likewise, you don't know how much belief you need.
Oh, but I do. The Bible provides that answer.
Luke 17:6
"If you have faith as small as a mustard seed"
The obvious point is that belief cannot be percentaged as keeping the commands can.
One either does believe, or does not believe.
But at least you've admitted here that you have no answer for how to 'enter life' other than just a very vague idea.
The "smallest of all seeds".And how much is a mustard seed?
Can't count.Since you believe you have faith as a mustard seed, how many mountains have you moved?
Says you.If you haven't moved mountains or trees, you don't even have that much faith.
Again, how many? How well? How often?'If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.' And please, don't question the Savior; that's a sign of unbelief and weakness.
The "smallest of all seeds".
Matt 13:32
It is the smallest of all seeds, but when it grows up it is larger than any garden plant and becomes a tree, so that the birds flying about come and nest in its branches.”
CJB
Can't count.
Again, can't count.
Says you.
Again, how many? How well? How often?
If you don't know the answers to these questions, then how can you even know if you have achieved salvation?
I have faith. That's all I need for salvation.How do you know you have that much?
How would you know?You can't count how many mountains you have removed, or how many trees you have uprooted? Sure sounds like you don't have faith of a mustard seed.
There is no problem. Those who know me have SEEN my faith.Maybe you should try harder. Let's us know when you have moved one of these. Then we will know you have faith.
No, I totally disagree with your faulty interpretation of His words.Of course, you question Jesus' words.
I do not believe your faulty interpretation of Jesus' words.You have no faith in them.
I have no doubt about what Jesus said. But I totally don't believe your interpretations.How is it you say you believe? You are full of doubt.
Why is that a question, since your interpretation isn't "desiring to keep commandments" when your view is to keep them? Have you changed your theology all of a sudden?Besides, how many of His life-giving commandments do you desire to keep?
Is this your new improved theology? Does this get one saved?How often do you desire to keep them? How long do you desire to keep them?
lol, and you don't even know how many to keep, how perfectly to keep them, or how long you need to keep them.I don't need to know the answer; I just need to obey Him to enter life.
You know nothing. I call Him Lord because He is, and I do what He says.Why do you call Jesus Lord, and do not do the things He says?
That's a matter of opinion."Calvinism" is scriptural
I would say that it is taught in scripture. God told Cain that his desire would be for sin, but that he must master it. Paul said that the commandment, "you shall not covet," inspired in him covetousness. Temptation, James says, is borne of our own lusts. Our natural inclination is sinfulness.I'm not a humanist nor am I an Arminian. However, the premise of Reformed theology is that all men are totally depraved. This idea is nowhere taught in Scripture. So, it's starting with a flawed premise.
Tell me, have you actually read the works of Pelagius? It's label as a heresy is relative to someone who believed in total depravity (Augustine). Had the debate turned out differently, total depravity would be the heresy.No you are the one who got on this thread and said "Calvinism" isn't scriptural. And yet have said nothing to prove your foolish statement. But cowardly make remarks without backing what you believe. It's only fallacy to the natural unregenerate humanist who seeks to make man into what he isn't, and deny Gods Sovereignty. I assume your premise is that man is capable of doing good correct? The old pelagian heresy
Heresy being the matter of opinion relative to the individual calling a system of theology heresy. Arminius and Pelagius both questioned Augustine's understanding of grace. Arminius and his followers were a form of Erasmian humanists who had early on disputed Luther, and of course in later years, Calvin.Tell me, have you actually read the works of Pelagius? It's label as a heresy is relative to someone who believed in total depravity (Augustine). Had the debate turned out differently, total depravity would be the heresy.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?