A question I'd like an answer to

[miamited]

Hi all,

Well, I watched the debate and a comment was made that I'd really like to know the answer to. Mr. Trump is a very, very wealthy person. Is it true that he hasn't been paying his fair share of taxes. Mrs. Clinton made the comment a couple of times that he hasn't paid any income taxes. Is that true?

Isn't any of us little people at all bothered by the fact that, if this is true, Mr. Trump is exactly the kind of person that most of us dislike because, even though they have fabulous wealth, they don't pay their fair share to run and operate the country that has given them such largess?

Could this be why he really doesn't want us to see his tax returns? While he pays his attorneys to tell him not to release his returns and uses that as such a 'convenient' reason that we shouldn't see them; while he contends that because he is 'under audit' he can't release his tax returns, is it possible that the real reason Mr. Trump doesn't want us general public, middle class, tax paying Americans to see his return is that he doesn't actually pay any personal income tax on his gargantuan wealth? Oh, that I could be so rich that I didn't have to support my country.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted

 

[redleghunter]

Hi all,

Well, I watched the debate and a comment was made that I'd really like to know the answer to. Mr. Trump is a very, very wealthy person. Is it true that he hasn't been paying his fair share of taxes. Mrs. Clinton made the comment a couple of times that he hasn't paid any income taxes. Is that true?

Isn't any of us little people at all bothered by the fact that, if this is true, Mr. Trump is exactly the kind of person that most of us dislike because, even though they have fabulous wealth, they don't pay their fair share to run and operate the country that has given them such largess?

Could this be why he really doesn't want us to see his tax returns? While he pays his attorneys to tell him not to release his returns and uses that as such a 'convenient' reason that we shouldn't see them; while he contends that because he is 'under audit' he can't release his tax returns, is it possible that the real reason Mr. Trump doesn't want us general public, middle class, tax paying Americans to see his return is that he doesn't actually pay any personal income tax on his gargantuan wealth? Oh, that I could be so rich that I didn't have to support my country.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted

Good day Ted. I have to say until official documents are reported, Hillary Clinton's claims against him were accusations to garner headlines and detract from her own legal issues. Both of them have power. Clinton money power and political power; Trump money power. She has the edge in the Beltway power racket.

Ask the question...If Trump did not pay his taxes as the law specifies, don't you think the Obama IRS would have already leaked the information to the Washington Post or NY Times? Also, don't you find it odd that Trump is audited every year (his claim not mine) and other crony capitalists close to Obama and Clinton (Warren Buffet, George Soros) are not?

It's the political game. Hillary misused government property and highly classified data, knew it and the Obama appointed AG did not consider prosecution. That is the outrage.

Now, I think we will get to see Trump's tax returns. Only after we get to see the financial disclosures of the Clinton Foundation. Which the Beltway bandits are hush hush about (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...probe-into-clinton-foundation/article/2598613). Why? Because the disclosures will show a global shift in the foundation's priorities and with that some cozy deals done while Clinton was Sec State.

 

[miamited]

Hi RLG,

You should probably take advantage of the many fact checker reports that have been issued since the debate.

According to a casino filing back in the 70's, 2 out of 5 years Mr. Trump did not pay any taxes back then. As far as your claim that Mrs. Clinton is using this issue to detract from her own issues. Maybe so, but that is what politicians do. However, there is a reason that Mr. Trump doesn't want us to see his tax returns and I don't for a minute buy this excuse that because he's under audit he can't show them. That has been proven false as far as there being any legal standing for it. The IRS says he can release his returns if he wants to. On one of the fact checker sites, several past IRS agents said that they doubted very, very seriously that Mr. Trump is audited by the IRS nearly as often as he claims. Can you substantiate your claim that he is audited every year or even every other year? Do you have any evidence whatsoever how many times Mr. Trump was audited by the IRS in the last 10 years? Listen!!!!! The man's a liar!!!!! Lying is his native language. He's trying to get you to buy that there is some valid reason that he's under audit that he can't, even though he'd absolutely do it even against the advice of his attorneys, produce his returns. Don't we feel so much sympathy for Mr. Trump? Why sure. If he could, in any way, produce his returns for our inspection he'd do it, but darn that IRS is keeping him from doing it. NAH!!!!!!! Friend, he's just lying. And, when's the last time a presidential nominee claimed his attorneys were telling him what he should and shouldn't do? What? Is he afraid we're all going to sue him? LOL!!!!! Just give me one example, please, that over the last 50 years a presidential nominee said that his attorneys were giving him campaign advice. The man is a fraud!!!!! I'm sorry, but for a man to go to the extent that he's going to make it seem like he would if he could, he's hiding something.

However, it has been said: There's a sucker born every minute. So, fraud is big business.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[redleghunter]

Hi RLG,

You should probably take advantage of the many fact checker reports that have been issued since the debate.

According to a casino filing back in the 70's, 2 out of 5 years Mr. Trump did not pay any taxes back then. As far as your claim that Mrs. Clinton is using this issue to detract from her own issues. Maybe so, but that is what politicians do. However, there is a reason that Mr. Trump doesn't want us to see his tax returns and I don't for a minute buy this excuse that because he's under audit he can't show them. That has been proven false as far as there being any legal standing for it. The IRS says he can release his returns if he wants to. On one of the fact checker sites, several past IRS agents said that they doubted very, very seriously that Mr. Trump is audited by the IRS nearly as often as he claims. Can you substantiate your claim that he is audited every year or even every other year? Do you have any evidence whatsoever how many times Mr. Trump was audited by the IRS in the last 10 years? Listen!!!!! The man's a liar!!!!! Lying is his native language. He's trying to get you to buy that there is some valid reason that he's under audit that he can't, even though he'd absolutely do it even against the advice of his attorneys, produce his returns. Don't we feel so much sympathy for Mr. Trump? Why sure. If he could, in any way, produce his returns for our inspection he'd do it, but darn that IRS is keeping him from doing it. NAH!!!!!!! Friend, he's just lying. And, when's the last time a presidential nominee claimed his attorneys were telling him what he should and shouldn't do? What? Is he afraid we're all going to sue him? LOL!!!!! Just give me one example, please, that over the last 50 years a presidential nominee said that his attorneys were giving him campaign advice. The man is a fraud!!!!! I'm sorry, but for a man to go to the extent that he's going to make it seem like he would if he could, he's hiding something.

However, it has been said: There's a sucker born every minute. So, fraud is big business.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Interesting. IMO you should have started the thread with the above as your OP paints a different tone.

The OP was looking for a discussion but it seems you had all the 'answers' already.

 

[ScottA]

Hi all,

Well, I watched the debate and a comment was made that I'd really like to know the answer to. Mr. Trump is a very, very wealthy person. Is it true that he hasn't been paying his fair share of taxes. Mrs. Clinton made the comment a couple of times that he hasn't paid any income taxes. Is that true?

Isn't any of us little people at all bothered by the fact that, if this is true, Mr. Trump is exactly the kind of person that most of us dislike because, even though they have fabulous wealth, they don't pay their fair share to run and operate the country that has given them such largess?

Could this be why he really doesn't want us to see his tax returns? While he pays his attorneys to tell him not to release his returns and uses that as such a 'convenient' reason that we shouldn't see them; while he contends that because he is 'under audit' he can't release his tax returns, is it possible that the real reason Mr. Trump doesn't want us general public, middle class, tax paying Americans to see his return is that he doesn't actually pay any personal income tax on his gargantuan wealth? Oh, that I could be so rich that I didn't have to support my country.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted

First...if he is under audit - making it public would be like talking about an ongoing criminal investigation, and it would be wrong if not illegal to do so. And...he has rights under such an investigation, that supersede the current political rhetoric.

Next, our tax codes are what they are - and ALL of us do what we can to keep from paying more than what the law calls for. That means, that you should not judge because you are probably just as guilty (even if you are not as rich). Also, it means that we as a people have already decided that it behooves us all to reward or even grease the wheels of those who provide jobs, for the better of us all. If you do not agree with that, you should know that you are not speaking for the will of the majority of people - most of us want our employers to be able to afford us, to pay us well, to spread the wealth through hiring...not through taxing.

 

[miamited]

Interesting. IMO you should have started the thread with the above as your OP paints a different tone.

The OP was looking for a discussion but it seems you had all the 'answers' already.

Hi RLH,

No, I don't already have the answer. I haven't seen any of his tax returns. However, I do have a little less than half a brain and even I have never been able to not pay any taxes while living like a king. The answer to my question lies within the pages of Mr. Trump's tax returns. I haven't seen them and apparently you haven't either. Do you know what the man paid in federal income taxes last year or the year before that?

Now, am I already decided that the man is a liar? Yes! That point is beyond discussion for people with half brains like myself. What I want to know is whether he's more like Leona Helmsly than the average John Doe middle class taxpayer in his contributions to the fair and equitable operation of our nation. Listen! I don't want to pay taxes anymore than the next guy and I try not to pay more than I have to, but I've never had a year in which I didn't have to pay any taxes on my income and I have a whole lot less income than Mr. Trump.

Another poster responded:

First...if he is under audit - making it public would be like talking about an ongoing criminal investigation, and it would be wrong if not illegal to do so.

Hi Scott,

That just is not a true statement. The IRS performs audits all the time on many, many different people's tax returns. Some, because a red flag came up initiated by a computer program. Some, just to keep everybody on their toes. They are not criminal investigations. I don't know where you're getting your information, but the IRS, the people who would be the ones to file criminal charges for such a thing have already said that there is no impropriety or legal issue to his revealing a filed tax return. It's already filed! The facts are already down on paper with his signature.

The reason that most defense attorneys will tell their client not to talk about an ongoing investigation or an investigative department might not want to talk about an ongoing investigation is that things might be said that could get one in trouble. This is a tax return. It's a paper, or in his case I imagine digital, hard copy. It is what it is and each line has a number that is what it is printed on it. This is not at all like discussing an ongoing investigation, but nice try.

As to the rest. If the tax codes are as you say, then I sure don't want some guy who takes advantage of them to the point that he can put millions of dollars of income in his pocket every year and not pay any taxes, in charge of those laws.

As far as I'm concerned, decent employers can pay their people well so that they pay their fair share in the operation of the government while they themselves also pay their fair share. Everyone, absolutely everyone who makes a decent income that is a bit above the poverty level should have to pay their fair share in the cost of operating our government, period!

And for that, I'm more for Mrs. Clinton's tax plan than Mr. Trump's. Let's put those who use the excuse 'it's just good business' to not pay a fair share of the cost of operating our government out of business. It cost x dollars to run any government and everyone who is under the rule of that government should pay a fair share in operating that government.

That's my opinion.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[ScottA]

Hi Scott,

That just is not a true statement. The IRS performs audits all the time on many, many different people's tax returns. Some, because a red flag came up initiated by a computer program. Some, just to keep everybody on their toes. They are not criminal investigations. I don't know where you're getting your information, but the IRS, the people who would be the ones to file criminal charges for such a thing have already said that there is no impropriety or legal issue to his revealing a filed tax return. It's already filed! The facts are already down on paper with his signature.

The reason that most defense attorneys will tell their client not to talk about an ongoing investigation or an investigative department might not want to talk about an ongoing investigation is that things might be said that could get one in trouble. This is a tax return. It's a paper, or in his case I imagine digital, hard copy. It is what it is and each line has a number that is what it is printed on it. This is not at all like discussing an ongoing investigation, but nice try.

As to the rest. If the tax codes are as you say, then I sure don't want some guy who takes advantage of them to the point that he can put millions of dollars of income in his pocket every year and not pay any taxes, in charge of those laws.

As far as I'm concerned, decent employers can pay their people well so that they pay their fair share in the operation of the government while they themselves also pay their fair share. Everyone, absolutely everyone who makes a decent income that is a bit above the poverty level should have to pay their fair share in the cost of operating our government, period!

And for that, I'm more for Mrs. Clinton's tax plan than Mr. Trump's. Let's put those who use the excuse 'it's just good business' to not pay a fair share of the cost of operating our government out of business. It cost x dollars to run any government and everyone who is under the rule of that government should pay a fair share in operating that government.

That's my opinion.

I didn't say "criminal investigation"...I said "like" a criminal investigation, and suggested that it might even be illegal to get in the middle of it. But my real point, is that it would be unethical and inconsiderate "like" hitting someone when they are down. In which case, the matter should be approached as a question, not a demand.

As for the tax codes...you are assuming the worst. What do you mean "take advantage of" - you mean like every other American, CPA, and tax person - or even you? Have you never claimed a deduction? And if he claimed 10,000 deductions of the same kind - he is "taking advantage" and you are not? That would make him honest and you a hypocrite.

And your idea of how the tax laws are...is not how they actually are, period! As I said, the majority of Americans have already determined what is idea - and it does not agree with your idea of what a "fair share" is.

And...we are not "under the rule" of our government - so you and Clinton are wrong.

 

[miamited]

Hi scott,

Ok, fine. Are you able to answer my question?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[ScottA]

Hi scott,

Ok, fine. Are you able to answer my question?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Mrs. Clinton made the comment a couple of times that he hasn't paid any income taxes. Is that true?

Who knows.

Isn't any of us little people at all bothered by the fact that, if this is true, Mr. Trump is exactly the kind of person that most of us dislike because, even though they have fabulous wealth, they don't pay their fair share to run and operate the country that has given them such largess?

Bothered? No, I understand it. He is paying his fair share...just not the same way. He is paying his fair share as a result of the tax break incentives afforded major employers, by hiring more people, and being in a position to offer better wages and more benefits than if those tax breaks were not in place. Which is exactly what the majority of people in this country want and support - for our own benefit, as well as that of others.

 

[Tigger45]

Trump affirmed Clinton's statement about him not paying Federal taxes when he replied that that made him smart.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Trump affirmed Clinton's statement about him not paying Federal taxes when he replied that that made him smart.

He was right. Corporate tax law makes it possible to not pay any federal taxes and it is all legal.

 

[Tigger45]

That means he wants a very expensive military but doesn't want to support it with his own money but does expect hard working people without all of his expendable wealth to support it for him.

 

[4x4toy]

Hi scott,

Ok, fine. Are you able to answer my question?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

If Trump is in good standing with the IRS ? What's your motivation , busybody . If Trump never paid a dime of tax within our law how does it affect you ?
Do you covet his money ? The man is a private citizen and is not on any government salary , yet ? Turning your private tax returns when running for office is not a requirement it is a courtesy ..

 

[Tull]

Everyone, absolutely everyone who makes a decent income that is a bit above the poverty level should have to pay their fair share in the cost of operating our government, period!

Do you have evidence they don't,what about those who get "refunds" that never paid a dime ?

Isn't any of us little people at all bothered by the fact that, if this is true, Mr. Trump is exactly the kind of person that most of us dislike because, even though they have fabulous wealth, they don't pay their fair share to run and operate the country that has given them such largess?

You are no larger in Clintons world than you are in Trump's, the Clintons are worth millions and if you think they do not use the tax code to their advantage you are mistaken....by using the word "largess" you indicate that you think that people with money didn't earn it,most people are simply eaten up with envy and will believe anything negative about the rich....even from someone who is rich herself

What a triumph it is for government when its citizens argue over who gives it the most money to squander and exalts it as a qualification to be their president.....Trumps new campaign slogan should "Hilary....she's rich to"

 

[JackRT]

It is unconscionable that a very wealthy man should pay less income tax than one of his secretaries. It demonstrates a gross bias in our tax system.

 

[4x4toy]

Tax deductions usually come with investments , investments create wealth and jobs .. Over regulation of business and unfair foreign incentives have taken our business . Circulation of wealth has been replaced with debt and trade deficit .. You answer Trumps question Ted .. Hillary has been in the thick of politics and government for 30 years , "so she has the solution now"? I don't even want change , I want to stop changing and back up ..

 

[4x4toy]

It is unconscionable that a very wealthy man should pay less income tax than one of his secretaries. It demonstrates a gross bias in our tax system.

Who you gonna vote for ?

 

[ScottA]

That means he wants a very expensive military but doesn't want to support it with his own money but does expect hard working people without all of his expendable wealth to support it for him.

Not true. He does support it with his own money - just not the same way his employees do. The tax breaks are designed to give major employers breaks so they can employ more people who then can support government through their combined tax contributions. Without such a system of tax breaks and incentives, there would be less people baying taxes. He gets a tax break for helping to increase taxes...and it is not free - he pays his 'extra' employees. So, the choices are a greater amount of taxes paid by the few, or a smaller amount paid by the many - he pays either way.

 

[Tigger45]

Not true. He does support it with his own money - just not the same way his employees do. The tax breaks are designed to give major employers breaks so they can employ more people who then can support government through their combined tax contributions. Without such a system of tax breaks and incentives, there would be less people baying taxes. He gets a tax break for helping to increase taxes...and it is not free - he pays his 'extra' employees. So, the choices are a greater amount of taxes paid by the few, or a smaller amount paid by the many - he pays either way.

Not true. The tax laws are written by corrupt politicians paid off by special interest groups allowing wealthy people to play a shell game with corporate income that enables them from paying an equal percentage of their personal income as the average Joe does has been exposed time and time again and I refuse to buy into their narrative.

 

[4x4toy]

Not true. The tax laws are written by corrupt politicians paid off by special interest groups allowing wealthy people to play a shell game with corporate income that enables them from paying an equal percentage of their personal income as the average Joe does has been exposed time and time again and I refuse to buy into their narrative.

But law never the less .. Where did the Clintons get all their money , they were broke , but accepting donations for political favor rules the day ..