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A question about the work of God.

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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.

John 6:29 is a synecdoche. It is the beginning, not the be-all end-all. Jesus said that to non-believing Jews to give them a starting point. But then to believe in Jesus means to believe also in his words and teachings. As he also said:

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

And then to his apostles:

Mat 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Mat 28:20 “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you..."
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.
Many immediately think that the Lord is only speaking of Himself.
However, John the baptist was sent.
The Lord condemned the scribes and Pharisees for not believing him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

The OT prophets were all sent by God, and the people were condemned
for rejecting their message.
Finally, the ascended Christ sends us the Holy Spirit. To believe we must
first learn to hear His still, soft voice and follow His leading. To do God's
work, we must walk in the Spirit, not a letter of the law. This is to walk
by faith, not by sight. This is the work of God in us and what the Lord
meant when He said:

Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live
by bread alone, but by every SPOKEN word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.
Sometimes a saying in the bible may be a bit more terse, for the purpose at hand, than it needs to be for a full explanation. But the very first work of God in us is faith. From there everything else flows, or at least the door is now open to that flowing. Faith, as with hope and love, is both a gift and a human choice, so it's a work of both of us, God and man. We can accept and act upon or express those gifts, and do so with more or less conviction and intensity, or we can reject the gift at any point.

Faith is first of all to acknolwedge God's existence, simple as that sounds, which, by itself, already pleases Him immensely This is to reverse the choice of Adam within ourselves, his disobedeince being an act of disbelief, of infidelity, because, by denying God's authority Adam effectively denied His godhood, becoming his own "god". But as we now believe in His existence we're also coming to recognize and believe in His goodness, trustworthines, mercy: in His love, which makes Him Someone truly worth believing in. This is all due to the revelation of Christ, who shows us the true face of the Father by everything He said and did. With grace we may now turn back to the God whom Adam basically shunned, to the detriment of us all. Man was absolutely made for communion with God and is lost if apart from Him. The basis of our faith is knowledge, the "knowledge of God", the more direct or personal knowledge that was lost at the Fall:
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." John 17:3

With that knowledge and the faith it engenders we enter fellowship with God, and He begins a work in us:
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
Jer 31:33

That's the "righteousness of God" spoken of in Phil 3:9 and elsewhere-rather than of man who has no true righteousness on his own. And that righteousness is real, defined by faith, hope, and love, with love being the most important. And love works, or acts, for the good of others, by its nature, doing good, Rom 2:7, fulfilling or obeying the commandments, Rom 2:13, Rom 13:10, and Matt 19:17, being sanctified, Rom 6:22 and 8:12-13, doing the works prepared for us in advance, Eph 2:10, doing "for the least of these", Matt 25, etc.

Anyway, faith can and is meant to lead to all this by virtue of the union with God that it establishes-but as the will of man continues to be involved throughout this work, this process, this journey, we can still mess it up, we can compromise that union, that relationship, by not remaining in Him, by returning to the flesh, IOW, by not doing His will, not picking up our cross and following daily, not "investing our talents", not participating with the Spirit, in His work.

So, for example, we're saved by faith, and yet we won't be forgiven unless we also forgive others, unless we love with the love God has shown us, IOW.
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).
Some believe that ALL we have to do is to "believe" that Jesus died for us on the cross and was risen. That's it. We don't have to make any changes in our lives, and can continue to live as we've always lived, as sinners.

Christ did elaborate in his other teachings, but the Jews didn't put the 'whole package' together.

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.
HOW do we love our brothers and sisters (even the non-Christian ones)? Do we practice humility toward them? Patience? Forgiveness? Charity? Kindness? Managing our anger? Honesty?

How many of us would go out of our way to help someone we don't like, or who doesn't like us...or someone we don't even know?

Do we really TRY to sin less or just try to do so when we happen to think about it, and it's convenient for us to do so?

To do the work of God is to believe in the one He sent (Jesus) is to believe in what Jesus preached...so much so, that we put it all into practice.

In other words, we become 'doers' of the Word; not just 'hearers' of the Word.
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.

You ask what is believing in God. When you were a child did you believe in santa claus. If so, it is the same as that. Except one big difference God is real santa is a lie.
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.
In the times of Jesus, Jews, Pharisees, Saducees and teachers of the Mosaic Law were boasting with their keeping the Mosaic Law. They believed its what makes God satisfied with them.

Jesus, in this context, says something like "you must believe in me, this is the work God expects from you, first and foremost".
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.
Christians think that they have "do something" in order to please God. Salvation is the opposite. We please God because all that is old is dead and buried and we are raised to new life. We please God because He does not look at us in isolation. We die and our lives are hidden in Christ with God. If we are willing, Lord Jesus will live out His life in us and through us. If we try to work out what pleases God and do it, we will fail. Even if we discover God's will, we will find nothing in ourselves that desires or is able to do God's will. Paul talks about this in Romans 7.

A dog is a dog because it has the life of a dog. It acts like a dog without learning, trying, studying or researching. A bird flies because it is a bird. It knows nothing about aeronautics or the principles of flight. Christians are by (new) nature righteous, holy, joyful, peaceful, full of love for God and the brethren.

Because we still have the habits and memories of the old way of life, we need to know God's word. We also have the enemy of our souls to contend with. We need to know who we are in Christ and who He is in us. When we see this, the pressure comes off us to perform. We will face different pressures as Satan's attacks will increase. But so does God's grace!

We do need to divest ourselves of the old way of thinking - we need our minds renewed. We need to resist the temptations that are part of the Christian experience. We do need to obey the Lord Jesus as He reveals His will for us. But we need to do this in the knowledge that it is He who motivates and empowers us.

God desires relationship with His people. He seeks a family, not just servants. So we find that the Christian life is not automatic. We must spend time with the Lord to learn these great truths. And no, it is not just mental. True "knowing" is spiritual, not intellectual. If I can talk you into something, another can talk you out of it. When you know, nothing can take it away from you. It's the only way to live!
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.

@fhansen in post #5 gave such a great summary so that the only thing to add to that is to point out that we will sometimes during life even with faith occasionally like Peter still stumble into sin (look away from Christ and sink into the lake/follow the flesh), and then we must simply with faith confess (admit) our wrong to God, and are then forgiven, cleansed, and restored: 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
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God's gift of Eternal Life is free and received when a person believes, trust has faith in Jesus that He is The promised Messiah. If a person believes Jesus is The promised Messiah then they can trust in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

As for how a believer lives their life has nothing to do with receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life or keeping their Eternal Life they receive when they trust in The Messiah.

How a believer lives their life now, after becoming a born again son of God, has to do with how well a life they will have after they die and to some extent how they now live, in their physical life.

Act in sin against God long enough and God may let your sin take is tole on your life. You may cut your life short or even God may even take your life.

A believers motivation for living a Christ like live, should never be for thinking that they some how are living a good life to receive Eternal Life (salvation).

Or that they are living a good life so that they will not lose their Eternal Life.

A person can not get God's free gift of Eternal Life by good actions and they can not keep Eternal Life by doing good actions.
 
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Jesus says in John 6:29 that the work of God was to believe in the one he sent. What does this mean since there are many works of God and works we do for God.

Maybe I can explain my question like this, what is believing in God? It's obviously more than a mental acknowledgement of the facts (the Jews took Christ's words to mean that and christ never really elaborated but said they don't and will never believe because they aren't among his flock).

But, we do many works for God. We try to sin less and have the Holy Spirit help us with our sins. We love our Christian brothers and sisters, and we give Charity regularly. If just a mental acknowledgement of the facts were required of us, why listen to the Bible and the rest of Christ's teachings? What's our motivation? I hope I'm making sense, if not then I'm sorry.

In the gospel of John, it helps to understand that, when John talks about the works of God, he is referring to signs and wonders.

The Messiah was promised to Israel and prophecy stated that he will perform many signs and wonders to prove his identity (Luke 7:20-23)

When Jesus arrived in the flesh, he first coming was to announce to the nation of Israel that their Messiah has finally arrived, with all the necessary signs to testify to the nation Israel (John 20:30-31, Acts 2:22, Hebrews 2:4).

Thus what John 6:29 meant is that, those signs or works are performed for Israel, Israel's role is to believe that Jesus is indeed the promised Messiah.

You can see the same teaching by Jesus, also in the book of John, in John 10:37-38
37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
 
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