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We may never know why God would have created a tree of life if there was no death ...
Satan, and the ensuing curse.Good point: Why would God create a Tree of Life if there was no death?
Satan, and the ensuing curse.
Do you think Satan's ploys and his high treason "surprised" God?
Does ANYTHING have the capability of "surprising" God?
This would be an excellent Bible study, don't you agree?
According to His Word, that's quite an understatement. So much so, that His holy wrath was incurred, and He pronounced a curse. It is written that God abhors/hates sin. It was so abhorrent to Him that He took drastic measures, and did what He said would happen way back in Genesis, and as written in John 3:16.It would be a good Bible study. I don't think the Fall surprised God, but neither do I think it's what he wanted.
I am not sure that all living things had eternal life. It could be that only certain kinds of creatures had souls as some might call it. We do see certain animals mentioned in the future prophesies of the bible. Jesus is followed by an army on horses, for example. Lions and wolves lay with baby sheep is another example. So I wonder if bugs, and some plants and maybe other (probably little) creatures had an existence that did not involve never dying? After all, the fossil record starts off with the smaller creatures being in it, meaning they died first. But since we don't really know how it worked at the time, I guess no one should be dogmatic about it.I Just had a quick question about the Garden of Eden before the fall.
What would happen if a brachiosaurus accidentally stepped on a beetle before the fall?
I Just had a quick question about the Garden of Eden before the fall.
What would happen if a brachiosaurus accidentally stepped on a beetle before the fall?
The beetle would of course die. Adam’s punishment for sin was that he would surely die. Adam knew what death was and because of his sin death was assured for him and everyone else. Had Adam not sinned he could have lived forever.
my point is death was not certain before Adam sinned - it was possible just not certain. He “could” have lived forever. If he was the beetle and getting crushed then he would have died too.
Interesting that we need Scripture to back up the concept that a person could die. A common sense idea that requires no thought or delusion. Probably why there are so many turned off of Christianity. Genesis 2:7 tells us we live by breathing of course the concept of how we stay alive. We are flesh (Genesis 6:3). Of course the Bible never says a person could not die as a matter of fact God had it necessary to provided Adam with the Tree of Life (Genesis 2:9) confirms that Adam could die. Adam also needed to eat (Genesis 2:16) - he was a person just like you and I. If Adam doesn’t eat food guess what happens? Genesis 2:17 God tells Adam that if he eats from the Tree Of Knowledge he would “surely” die. Something that didn’t have to happen to Adam at the time. Eating from the Tree of Life could keep him alive forever. Assuming he eats from the tree and eats enough of other food to keep him alive. But of course Adam did eat from the wrong tree and that assured him of death. He would now “surely” die. How did God ensure that? Simply. By preventing Adam from eating from the Tree of Life. Genesis 3:24. There is nothing I’m saying that should be controversial. This is what the Bible is saying and is nothing supernatural of strange about what I’m saying. Common sense and what would be expected. Don’t push people away from the Bible by making up concepts that people can’t believe and don’t believe. Silly doctrines that come from Satan and push people away from God and just don’t make sense. No wonder so many people question their belief in GodWhat scripture are you using to justify this idea?
Interesting that we need Scripture to back up the concept that a person could die. A common sense idea that requires no thought or delusion. Probably why there are so many turned off of Christianity. Genesis 2:7 tells us we live by breathing of course the concept of how we stay alive. We are flesh (Genesis 6:3). Of course the Bible never says a person could not die as a matter of fact God had it necessary to provided Adam with the Tree of Life (Genesis 2:9) confirms that Adam could die. Adam also needed to eat (Genesis 2:16) - he was a person just like you and I. If Adam doesn’t eat food guess what happens? Genesis 2:17 God tells Adam that if he eats from the Tree Of Knowledge he would “surely” die. Something that didn’t have to happen to Adam at the time. Eating from the Tree of Life could keep him alive forever. Assuming he eats from the tree and eats enough of other food to keep him alive. But of course Adam did eat from the wrong tree and that assured him of death. He would now “surely” die. How did God ensure that? Simply. By preventing Adam from eating from the Tree of Life. Genesis 3:24. There is nothing I’m saying that should be controversial. This is what the Bible is saying and is nothing supernatural of strange about what I’m saying. Common sense and what would be expected. Don’t push people away from the Bible by making up concepts that people can’t believe and don’t believe. Silly doctrines that come from Satan and push people away from God and just don’t make sense. No wonder so many people question their belief in God
Death is a consequence of the curse, along with decay, sickness, and returning to the dust from whence we came.The beetle would of course die. Adam’s punishment for sin was that he would surely die. Adam knew what death was and because of his sin death was assured for him and everyone else. Had Adam not sinned he could have lived forever.
my point is death was not certain before Adam sinned - it was possible just not certain. He “could” have lived forever. If he was the beetle and getting crushed then he would have died too.
Death is a consequence of the curse, along with decay, sickness, and returning to the dust from whence we came.
Do you think that Satan and his plan to bring the downfall of man was a "surprise" to God?Why do you think God created a tree of life which grants immortality, if all life was already immortal anyway?
Exactly.Certain death was the consequence of sin
Do you think that Satan and his plan to bring the downfall of man was a "surprise" to God?
Id like to see the evidence of that.then why is there evidence of dinosaur predation buried in rocks deposited by the flood (such as dinosaur predator teeth stuck in the bones of prey dinosaurs buried underground).
Id like to see the evidence of that.
Yet it is written that with the curse came death, to not only man, but all of the creatures, and the earth itself.I'd imagine God would foresee the fall. How does this answer my question?
I would think that the tree of life which grants immortality existed because death also existed. Therefore giving the tree purpose.
Yet it is written that with the curse came death, to not only man, but all of the creatures, and the earth itself.
When God created the earth and all in it He called it very good.
Is death "good"?
If so, why did Jesus Christ abolish it? Why would God send His only begotten Son here, for the purpose of dying, and counteracting death, if death was ever a "good" thing?
Would God call "death" a "good" thing, ever?
We could ask the same about God creating Lucifer aka Satan. Why would God create a creature that attempt to overthrow Him, kill Him, and usurp His Throne, if He knew this would happen?Well here's the catch, on earth, we still physically die. So clearly Jesus did not conquer this form of physical death, but rather it's a form of spiritual or supernatural death that was conquered. Hence why Paul states that death reigned from Adam until Moses Romans 5:14. Physical death did not stop at moses. Paul was never talking about physical death. Paul also also says that he died to sin Romans 7:9-10. But of course Paul couldn't have physically died or he wouldn't have been able to write the book of Romans.
Why would God create a tree of life that grants immortality if animals were created immortal to begin with?
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