A question about Job.

[bmjackson]

What Ravi was spot on about was in the astute surmising of Job's friends and how they added inexpressible misery to Job.

I have something to say about that......

[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]INTO DARKNESS AND SILENCE.[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]The story moves on to where his 'friends' join him in the ash-pit outside of the city walls. The thing which he had dreaded the most, had occurred, leaving him speechless: The heavens were silent; God ie the Light had departed, and creation has seemingly been reversed. This situation, known by others who walk closely with God, has been called 'The Dark Night of the Soul' by St John of the Cross.1 The deserted lover in this case is not at fault and sought him but found him not, Song of Solomon 3.1.Likewise from J.S. Bach:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]If each day is filled with sorrow[/FONT]
[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]And lamentation does not vanish[/FONT]
[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Ah, then this pain must[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Pave the way to death [/FONT]
[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]My dearest God lets me[/FONT]
[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Still call in vain. 2[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Job [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]pleads[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif],[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Make me know my transgressions and my sin[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif],[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]13.23[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]A[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]ll of [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]the[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] understanding [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]of[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] his [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]past [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]dealings with God[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] were [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]being [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]demolished [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]b[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]ecause there is sile[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]n[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]ce [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]regarding [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]his request[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] and readiness to repent, [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]had he inadvertently sinned. [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]H[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]is claim [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]to sinlessness [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]was due [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]to[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] light[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] given[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif], but now, circumstances le[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]a[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]d him to believe that his convictions [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]are[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] in doubt, which br[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]ought [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]e[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]xtreme confusion [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]and despair[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif].[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]As [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]D. [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Tidball sa[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]ys[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] 'His theology tells him that he ought not to be ignored by God at such a time as this. His experience tells him that he is being deserted by God. The God whom he has trusted until now, is he believes, a God of power who answers prayer and saves people in need.[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]'3[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]But Job feels that [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]God has become his enemy and is attacking him, [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]the name [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]YHWH [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]being[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] changed to [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]El-Shaddai [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]denoting [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]destruction Is. [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]13.6,[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] in [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]the poetic[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] section[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] of [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]the book [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]3.1- 42.6[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]. T[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]o deal with [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]El-Shaddai [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]is a bitter [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]and terrible [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]experience, as in: [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Call me Mara (bitter) for [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]El-Shaddai [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]has dealt bitterly with me, [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Ruth 1.20, [/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] noted by[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] J. G.[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] Janzen. 4[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]VOICES.[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]I believe that we may interpret the voices of the four friends, as trains of thought personified, which run through Job's mind during this period of utter darkness, as human understanding and the accuser's arrows are pitted against the light which he had previously received, if we consider the following: he claims that he is deserted by family and friends 16.7; 19.13; he is in a place of isolation and shame, where those with infectious diseases dwell, and it seems unlikely to me that his 'friends' would take a risk in entering such a place, showing such loyalty, the reality being, that when calamity strikes, friends are most often, nowhere to be seen; and also because one of the distinguishing marks of being in the 'dark night' is that one finds onself deserted by all, as the presence of friends would have given a degree of comfort, despite their differing theologies. [/FONT]

[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]The depth of suffering can be appreciated with more clarity, moreover, if one considers that Job goes through a trial of extreme confusion with the contest taking place in his mind and which enables us to identify with it more easily in a similar trial. [/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]There is also the matter of the style of the speeches, where there is no direct communication, the reasoning going round and round in circles and often called wind 8.2; 15.2; 16.3, and which is confirmed when God speaks out of the whirlwind 38.1 denoting confusion. Guti[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]érrez describes it helpfully as ' the arguments are like a whe[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]e[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]l spinning in the air.[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]'[/FONT][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif] 5[/FONT] [/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]TEMPTATION[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Job is taunted throughout the speeches, by two thoughts, the first of which has been the temptation of the enemy since the beginning: Did God say? Genesis 3.1. God had declared Job sinless, and the accuser desired that Job would doubt it, losing his testimony. The voices taunted him with the thought that if indeed he was sinless, then God would have no reason to withdraw. If Job admitted he was not, then God would restore him as he desired. The issue was over Job's righteousness, and what is special about Job, is that he brings illumination to the severest of trial in the spiritual realm with which Jesus himself also had to contend, that is the seeming desertion of God in the hour of need of his most devout servants.[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]In this crucible, the words of the sufferer seem beyond comprehension, being so exaggerated and dramatic. We find the same also with Jeremiah, David, and Christian mystics. Job responds with increasing confusion until he reaches the depth of despair.[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]RESOLUTION[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Finally, we see the curtain drawn back as God returns and speaks, as we are given a glimpse of the administration of the heavenly and earthly realms, where love and freedom rules, and not might, as we are shown the freedom that God gives his creation, and which has been denied to him by the demands made by Job in his grief. [/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Job finally understands the purpose of the silence for himself and also for those who are willing to do all things without murmuring and arguing so that you may be blameless and innocent children of God without blemish, Phil. 2.14-15.[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]CONCLUSION.[/FONT]


[FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]Job is convicted and repents. Without the light of God, which was his only claim to holiness, he fell into sudden darkness, because he had learned to lean not on his own understanding in his holy state, depending on the light of God to guide him, but rather than become angry, he has seen that even enjoyment of the presence of God must be given up willingly to worship the giver of the gift and not the gift itself. He is validated in that he had spoken correctly about God, that the trial was not because he sinned, and the accuser(s) were wrong. Finally, 'Job reflects the gratuitous love of God'6 as P. H. Jones puts it, wanting nothing for himself, happy to allow God to grace with his presence at his choosing, and to walk in darkness until He returns. Job's maturity is complete. [/FONT]

 

[brinny]

It was not a sin to lament. Neither was it a sin when Jeremiah lamented in the book of Lamentations. Nor was it a sin when Hannah lamented in the Temple when she remained childless. To lament merely means expression of deep deep sorrow and or inexpressible grief and usually involves tears and a broken heart and crushed spirit.

Who else did Job have, but God? He was doing what he had ALWAYS done, and that is to tell God EVERYTHING. He poured out his heart and soul in all of its agony. He also "knew" God and His character and therefore knew something was terribly wrong, for He knew that God is a very present help in times of trouble and that He is very near the broken hearted and that God is a Lifter of our head. He wanted His God. He also desperately needed relief from those who were pointing fingers at him, and did not have even the grace to pray for him.

What many miss unfortunately, is the willingness and necessity to put themselves in Job's place. They merely point fingers at him.

 

[bmjackson]

Yes I agree, lament was not the right idea. I will change that. It is a bit difficult atm for me as I have just come out of the dark night and wrote that while I was still in it so my understanding has developed. I was even worse than Job and nearly gave up so I do know what he was going through.

What I really meant is that Job became angry at the loss of the presence of God despite God saying 'I will never leave you or forsake you'. In maturity, we are to trust God no matter what our sense of Him is. Even if the Light goes, we are to be content with darkness until God deems it the right time to return. In the darkness we are fitted to see more light.

 

[Setyoufree]

Job is convicted and repents of his lamentation of the loss of God's presence (in dust and ashes) and has at last understood that he must walk by faith.

No, absolutely incorrect! Job repented of his self-justification. He repented of his self-righteousness that Elihu had previous pointed out. That's what the Bible states.

 

[bmjackson]

SYF

I have nothing to say when you disregard scripture saying that God pronounced Job holy.

brinny I have edited the post.

 

[Setyoufree]

I have nothing to say when you disregard scripture saying that God pronounced Job holy.

"God pronounced"?

We've been over and over this, but you still persist that God actually viewed Job as Holy when the context reveals that God was presenting Job as he viewed his self. That fact has been substantiated.

Also, the Bible is clear that no one is righteous before God. Would you like to read those verses again?

Romans 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one"...

Not one! That must included Job. Righteous = Holy in case you didn't know.

And Jesus said the same:

Matt 19:17 "There is none good but one, that is, God"

Now, if you insist that Job is good, that he is righteous, that he is holy, then Job is God. Is that your point?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

they die and he gets better ones .

 

[Setyoufree]

We've been over and over this, but you still persist that God actually viewed Job as Holy when the context reveals that God was presenting Job as he viewed his self. That fact has been substantiated.

A quick review:

Job's self-righteousness:
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"Let God weigh me (Job) in honest scales and he will know that I am blameless" [Job:31:6]

God, through Elihu, rebukes Job:
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Job 33:8 "But you (Job) have said in my hearing (Elihu)-- I heard the very words-- 9 'I am pure and without sin; I am clean and free from guilt."

Job 36:1 Elihu continued: 2 "Bear with me a little longer and I will show you that there is more to be said in God's behalf...

Job's problem:
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Job 32:1 Then these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. 2 But the anger of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the family of Ram burned; against Job his anger burned because he justified himself before God.

Job repents:
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Job 40:3 Then Job answered the LORD, and said , 4 "Behold, I am vile..." Job 42:6 "Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes"...

Job's wealth is restored:
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Job 42:12 "The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first."

Conclusion:
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When God said that Job was blameless, He was presenting Job's view of himself.

Principle: "Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted”

Job humbled himself and repented of his proud self-righteous spirit. In the end God exalted Job more so than before.

 

[Setyoufree]

Job 35:1 (Elihu to Job) Do you think it is just when you say, "I am righteous before God"? (HCS)

Within the context of Job chapter 35, Elihu says:

"So Job opens his mouth with empty talk; without knowledge he multiplies words." (Job 35:16)

In other words Job is self-deceived in his claims to righteousness.

The question is does God agree with what Elihu stated? Remember Elihu claims to speak in God's behalf (see Job 36:1).

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said: 2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?"

This is the first time God speaks directly to Job. So when did God counsel Job?

Answer: Through Elihu!

God is in agreement with Elihu! Both of them tell Job that his claims to righteousness are words spoken without knowledge. What is Job's reply?

"Then Job answered the Lord and said: 'Behold, I am vile; What shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth.'"

What a difference we see in Job now. Before this Job claimed to be righteous before God. He claimed to be without sin. He claimed to be blameless. But now we see a changed man. We see a humble Job who realizes that his righteousness was really self-righteousness and he realized that in comparison to God's righteousness he was actually "vile".

Not only did Job have a change of heart but he also repented of his self-righteousness:

Job 42:1 Then Job answered the Lord and said: .... 3 You asked, 'Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?' Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.... 6 Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes."

 

[Setyoufree]

Job humbled himself and repented of his proud self-righteous spirit. In the end God exalted Job more so than before.

Actually God humbled Job of his proud self-righteous spirit. Job is to be applauded for his perseverance. He didn't, as his wife suggested, "curse God and die".

 

[squint]

No, absolutely incorrect! Job repented of his self-justification. He repented of his self-righteousness that Elihu had previous pointed out. That's what the Bible states.

You are very correct in that Elihu was speaking spot on correctly, even though you might not recognize the spiritual pattern behind the matter, of a youth correcting an elder. But that is a principle that runs throughout the text and is shown in many ways of confirmation.

 

[Setyoufree]

You are very correct in that Elihu was speaking spot on correctly, even though you might not recognize the spiritual pattern behind the matter, of a youth correcting an elder.

Yes, but Elihu did wait until the others were through.....

Job 321 So these three men stopped answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. 2 But Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, became very angry with Job for justifying himself before God. 3 He was also angry with the three friends, because they had found no way to refute Job, and yet had condemned him. 4 Now Elihu had waited before speaking to Job because they were older than he. 5 But when he saw that the three men had nothing more to say, his anger was aroused. 6 So Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite said: "I am young in years, and you are old; that is why I was fearful, not daring to tell you what I know. 7 I thought, 'Age should speak; advanced years should teach wisdom.' 8 But it is the spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding. 9 It is not only the old who are wise, not only the aged who understand what is right. 10 "Therefore I say: Listen to me; I too will tell you what I know. 11 I waited while you spoke, I listened to your reasoning; while you were searching for words, 12 I gave you my full attention. But not one (the so called friends of Job) of you has proved Job wrong; none of you has answered his arguments.

 

[squint]

Yes, but Elihu did wait until the others were through.....

Job 321 So these three men stopped answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. 2 But Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, became very angry with Job for justifying himself before God. 3 He was also angry with the three friends, because they had found no way to refute Job, and yet had condemned him. 4 Now Elihu had waited before speaking to Job because they were older than he. 5 But when he saw that the three men had nothing more to say, his anger was aroused. 6 So Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite said: "I am young in years, and you are old; that is why I was fearful, not daring to tell you what I know. 7 I thought, 'Age should speak; advanced years should teach wisdom.' 8 But it is the spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding. 9 It is not only the old who are wise, not only the aged who understand what is right. 10 "Therefore I say: Listen to me; I too will tell you what I know. 11 I waited while you spoke, I listened to your reasoning; while you were searching for words, 12 I gave you my full attention. But not one (the so called friends of Job) of you has proved Job wrong; none of you has answered his arguments.

I love interesting patterns in the scriptures.

The identical pattern is replayed many times with Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob, Joseph and Benjamin, Manasseh and Ephraim, Aaron and Moses, Moses' sons, Davids oldest brothers and David...and on and on it goes.

Paul draws heavily on these themes for his understandings in Romans, particularly in chapter 9. And it has nothing to do with the physical men, Esau and Pharaoh.

Even in Job, the location of Jobs children, where they were killed was in the house of the ELDEST brother.

Interesting stuff.

Elihu gives the correct response on why Job had these things happen to him. Can you spot why?

 

[Setyoufree]

Elihu gives the correct response on why Job had these things happen to him. Can you spot why?

Because he justified himself before God. Some other versions say because He justified himself instead of God. Either way, self-righteousness always brings problems.

Look at the Jews in Christ's days. A large number rejected their need of Christ. Why? Paul tells us:

"Not knowing about http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/romans/10.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-2God's righteousness and http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/romans/10.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-3seeking to establish their own" Rom 10:3

Again, they were self-righteous. They didn't need Christ for they had the law (Torah). And in the end God abandoned them because they ultimately and persistently rejected Him. Read Matt chapter 23.

 

[squint]

Because he justified himself before God. Some other versions say because He justified himself instead of God. Either way, self-righteousness always brings problems.

Look at the Jews in Christ's days. A large number rejected their need of Christ. Why? Paul tells us:

"Not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own" Rom 10:3

Again, they were self-righteous. They didn't need Christ for they had the law (Torah). And in the end God abandoned them because they ultimately and persistently rejected Him. Read Matt chapter 23.

Elihu hits this issue smack on the head right here:

Job 34:36
My desire is that Job may be tried unto the end because of his answers for wicked men.

discuss

 

[Setyoufree]

Job 35:34 "Men of understanding declare, wise men who hear me say to me, 35 'Job speaks without knowledge; his words lack insight.' 36 Oh, that Job might be tested to the utmost for answering like a wicked man! 37 To his sin he adds rebellion; scornfully he claps his hands among us and multiplies his words against God." (NIV)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by brinny

After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?
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they die and he gets better ones .

Let's hope so


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[brinny]

I love interesting patterns in the scriptures.

The identical pattern is replayed many times with Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob, Joseph and Benjamin, Manasseh and Ephraim, Aaron and Moses, Moses' sons, Davids oldest brothers and David...and on and on it goes.

Paul draws heavily on these themes for his understandings in Romans, particularly in chapter 9. And it has nothing to do with the physical men, Esau and Pharaoh.

Even in Job, the location of Jobs children, where they were killed was in the house of the ELDEST brother.

Interesting stuff.

Elihu gives the correct response on why Job had these things happen to him. Can you spot why?

In the very beginning of the book of Job it is written:

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~ Job 1:1

This is what God said in verse 8:

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" ~Job 1:8

Satan didn't disagree. Apparently both were in agreement with God's description of Job.

God says Himself why this is happening to Job. Job was specifically chosen because of these characteristics described by God.

Here in verse 9 Satan himself agrees that Job fears God:

"Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?" ~Job 1:9

They were both in agreement that Job feared God.

This is why Job was targeted.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

Originally Posted by Michael Collum View Post
they die and he gets better ones .

Let's hope so


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LOL! Indeed.

 

[Noxot]

see the spiritual process playing out and how Jesus said to us what is to come upon us?

Job 1:18-19 (YLT)
While this one is speaking another also hath come and saith, `Thy sons and thy daughters are eating, and drinking wine, in the house of their brother, the first-born. And lo, a great wind hath come from over the wilderness, and striketh against the four corners of the house, and it falleth on the young men, and they are dead, and I am escaped--only I alone--to declare it to thee.'

it is the end of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. even the angels of heaven are cast out so that the virgin belongs only to God.

Matt 24:35-41 (YLT)
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. `And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known--not even the messengers of the heavens--except my Father only; and as the days of Noah--so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man; for as they were, in the days before the flood, eating, and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, till the day Noah entered into the ark, and they did not know till the flood came and took all away; so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man. Then two men shall be in the field, the one is received, and the one is left; two women shall be grinding in the mill, one is received, and one is left.


here I see two points of views, one from the tree of life and then the other from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I remember a saint pointing out to me a difference between the two underlined passages in one it said "In all this Job hath not sinned, nor given folly to God" and this was good. notice how he also spoke of "`Naked came I forth from the womb of my mother, and naked I turn back thither" this is a holy speaking of nakedness... it spoke in spirit of where he came from and where he returns since this heavenly side of job is sophia summing up herself in the condition of eve ( who is of the earth and a duality of adam and eve ) and how to be with God as a eternal virgin with God. in nakedness one came out of God and in nakedness, that is, without any image... we return to God. the same picture is the cross for it is nakedness and with this nakedness we are clothed by God in the eternal image which is the deepest core of who we are, our imageless image as it was at the beginning "they were naked and unashamed" :

Job 1:20-22 (YLT)
And Job riseth, and rendeth his robe, and shaveth his head, and falleth to the earth, and doth obeisance, and he saith, `Naked came I forth from the womb of my mother, and naked I turn back thither: Jehovah hath given and Jehovah hath taken: let the name of Jehovah be blessed.' In all this Job hath not sinned, nor given folly to God.

Job 2:9-10 (YLT)
And his wife saith to him, `Still thou art keeping hold on thine integrity: bless God and die.' And he saith unto her, `As one of the foolish women speaketh, thou speakest; yea, the good we receive from God, and the evil we do not receive.' In all this Job hath not sinned with his lips.

then here I can see the tree of knowledge of good and evil and confusion at work. if we see separation there is evil and good but the dark night teaches us to love God no matter the condition so that we may be free of all that God may more fully have us.
the wife ( who is secretly sophia/ the wisdom of God ) who is jobs soul was the lips and they did not sin but job did not fully did obey as Jesus did because in reality he should have let go of his integrity and blessed God and died. some translate this word "curse God and die" which is also true because the tree of knowledge of good and evil is not supposed to be the one interpreting God. if Job would have cursed the image of God ( and it is also jobs own image in himself ) he set up within himself he would have found the image-less nakedness in the spirit where one goes when they die on the cross and are resurrected by God. the old man was to be completely burned away, swallowed up by God so that God may completely save him from even his own integrity... for even our own righteousness can keep us from God as Isiah had found out when he said "his righteousness was filthy rags" after viewing the eternal completeness of the Trinity.

Jesus Christ did not fall for any deception at all. Jesus Christ was in the image of God but he still emptied himself! he rather suffered many things and was a silent lamb who was perfectly innocent and he died on the cross, in some manner his entire life was torment... he is perfect and worthy of so much and is instead hated and rejected very often. he sees his brothers and sisters in torment and abused by one another and he had to bare the whole weight of that burden because he said whatever we do to the LEAST we do to him. his blood cried out better things than the blood of righteous abel for Jesus Christ is the exact and express image of God and all other angels are summed up in the image of the Son of God. btw abels blood cried out for justice and this saying is found in the book of enoch.

all the blood of the prophets are on our hands.