A question about Job.

[Purge187]

After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

I'm not sure anout his wife, but God spared his friends from the judgment they deserved for bearing false witness against both He and Job.

I imagine they spent the rest of their lives apologizing to him for being such morons. With friends like those, who needs enemas?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Job's anger toward God was caused by pride. How can someone claim that he is innocent and God should not allow him to suffer if not due to pride.

God quiets Job's pride when he begins to ask him where was he when God created all things, etc...

I do not agree with that assessment of Job.
Precisely because he was innocent and faithful was he allowed to be a witness [means martyr] before the satans, before whom Job was a "spectacle" as in an arena, before all heaven.
Precisely because God could trust Job was the trial allowed in his life, and for the glory of God, and not for any reason of Job's sins of any kind.
Job's righteousness was because he was obedient, not because he was pure personally of all that the Adam race is subject to, and because Job knew he had been faithful and obedient, he had a true and rightful reason to question God.
The questions were not answered for him until God came to visit at the end of the trial.
Job wrote it down for us so that we also can understand that, sometimes, a trial is not for our own punishment, but is for the Glory of God in the presence of the false accusations of the Satans -from the chief Satan.

I have a certain young relative [whom I will not mention the relation connection of] who is a believer from an early age and has always tried to follow God in every way and has given her life to service of others [she is graduating from medical school [edit oops] -next- year, and wants to do -and is in- research to help mankind], but I was intrigued when her mother told me that when she had a dental check-up a few short years ago and the dentist found some minor cavities to take care of, that she about freaked out on the way home from the dentist while her older missionary sister was driving her [it was when she was home on school break one year]. The freak-out was because she had always "done everything right" and "why would she be afflicted with cavities"----as I said, she was young -and still is, having advanced two years in her studies over others her age].
The freak out was so bad that her older and wiser missionary sister nearly had to stop the car and slap her to get her to stop it!

That is a lesson she had to learn and I think it was a good one, because she will be working with lower income patients which is her goal, also, and she cannot lecture them on "do right to get right results". Life just does not work that way under the curse of sin and death in this present age: but God owns us and is in control of us and will not allow anything to come our way that He will not bring us out of, and if only for the Glory of God does a trial come [like the man born blind in the NT whom Jesus healed], then we serve Him, and in the end, we get the rewards for faithfulness.

Job served as a priest of righteousness for his family and friends, and was tested beyond his ability to understand, but in the end he did understand -and that is the "wisdom lesson of Job" he wrote for us all, to understand!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Thanks sis. I am specifically interested in the the details of the exchange of forgiveness that took place. It seemed to me that she really kicked Job when he was at his lowest and may have very well left him.

That is reading things in it that just are not there, and the fact that she was at a low point herself in the whole thing is no reason to assume she blamed Job....and Job's end was a lesson for her.
But why be concerned with the intimate details of their union after he was restored? They had ten more children, so they "bedded together" and prospered greatly.
She was rich with twice as much as before, and the children were great rewards to comfort both of them.

 

[SolomonVII]

Knowing what happened to the friends of Job or his wife would not change the meaning or the theology of the Book of Job in any way.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

I'm not sure anout his wife, but God spared his friends from the judgment they deserved for bearing false witness against both He and Job.

I imagine they spent the rest of their lives apologizing to him for being such morons. With friends like those, who needs enemas?

During this study, while the teacher is reading these passages, it's very difficult for me, because they (his wife and friends) only added horribly to his already un-bearable suffering, relentlessly....

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Yarddog
Job's anger toward God was caused by pride. How can someone claim that he is innocent and God should not allow him to suffer if not due to pride.

God quiets Job's pride when he begins to ask him where was he when God created all things, etc...

I do not agree with that assessment of Job.
Precisely because he was innocent and faithful was he allowed to be a witness [means martyr] before the satans, before whom Job was a "spectacle" as in an arena, before all heaven.
Precisely because God could trust Job was the trial allowed in his life, and for the glory of God, and not for any reason of Job's sins of any kind.
Job's righteousness was because he was obedient, not because he was pure personally of all that the Adam race is subject to, and because Job knew he had been faithful and obedient, he had a true and rightful reason to question God.
The questions were not answered for him until God came to visit at the end of the trial.
Job wrote it down for us so that we also can understand that, sometimes, a trial is not for our own punishment, but is for the Glory of God in the presence of the false accusations of the Satans -from the chief Satan.

I have a certain young relative [whom I will not mention the relation connection of] who is a believer from an early age and has always tried to follow God in every way and has given her life to service of others [she is graduating from medical school [edit oops] -next- year, and wants to do -and is in- research to help mankind], but I was intrigued when her mother told me that when she had a dental check-up a few short years ago and the dentist found some minor cavities to take care of, that she about freaked out on the way home from the dentist while her older missionary sister was driving her [it was when she was home on school break one year]. The freak-out was because she had always "done everything right" and "why would she be afflicted with cavities"----as I said, she was young -and still is, having advanced two years in her studies over others her age].
The freak out was so bad that her older and wiser missionary sister nearly had to stop the car and slap her to get her to stop it!

That is a lesson she had to learn and I think it was a good one, because she will be working with lower income patients which is her goal, also, and she cannot lecture them on "do right to get right results". Life just does not work that way under the curse of sin and death in this present age: but God owns us and is in control of us and will not allow anything to come our way that He will not bring us out of, and if only for the Glory of God does a trial come [like the man born blind in the NT whom Jesus healed], then we serve Him, and in the end, we get the rewards for faithfulness.

Job served as a priest of righteousness for his family and friends, and was tested beyond his ability to understand, but in the end he did understand -and that is the "wisdom lesson of Job" he wrote for us all, to understand!

That's a perspective that may help me to understand the Book of Job, that it all was for the glory of God and that the entire scenario was a spectacle for all of heaven to see...thank you.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Thanks sis. I am specifically interested in the the details of the exchange of forgiveness that took place. It seemed to me that she really kicked Job when he was at his lowest and may have very well left him.

That is reading things in it that just are not there, and the fact that she was at a low point herself in the whole thing is no reason to assume she blamed Job....and Job's end was a lesson for her.
But why be concerned with the intimate details of their union after he was restored? They had ten more children, so they "bedded together" and prospered greatly.
She was rich with twice as much as before, and the children were great rewards to comfort both of them.

I still have issues with her. She didn't suffer as badly as Job. I am still in the middle of the study however, and i have much to learn. Thank you for your input.

 

[brinny]

Knowing what happened to the friends of Job or his wife would not change the meaning or the theology of the Book of Job in any way.

i dunno, this is a very hard part for me with this study.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I still have issues with her. She didn't suffer as badly as Job. I am still in the middle of the study however, and i have much to learn. Thank you for your input.

She had great mental anguish. She lost everything she had
her children
her possessions
her standing in the community
and her husband was not able to do anything but suffer and had no answers to give her for why.
She could not bear it. You can imagine her grief, her depression, her absolute feeling of total and complete abandonment, but she was not the one being a spectacle before all heaven and all the Satans -Job was -and we only hear her one breaking point of frustration, after which she probably retreated into depression [if she was like any other human being going through that without a word from God], as she took care of Job day by day to the best of her ability -since everyone else had abandoned them who were not killed already.
God did not hold it against her, cause Job, a priest of righteousness, did not have to offer any prayers for her forgiveness
Being his wife, she was doubly blessed with him after his and her trial was ended.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Knowing what happened to the friends of Job or his wife would not change the meaning or the theology of the Book of Job in any way.

I just saw this concerning a book of "The Testament of Job" when looking up about Job's wife.
First I have heard about this

The Book of Job, part 5: Job's wife – did she bless or curse? | Alexander Goldberg | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


Whilst modern commentators have seen Job's wife as a mere adjunct to Job and his property, a much earlier attempt to rewrite the story of Job with a more egalitarian take exists.

The Testament of Job is a rewrite of Job, written in the first person from his viewpoint. It is a post-Biblical Judaic work (written either in the 1st century BCE or CE) lost by the Jews, later rejected as being non-Apocryphal by the Vatican but preserved by Copts. It is widely assumed to have emanated from the Theraputae, an ascetic Jewish sect described by Philo in some detail as egalitarian. The version we have today is in Greek and reads like a Greek tragedy and certainly the narrative is aligned to Aggadic versions of Job present in the Talmud.

Job's first wife is Sitidos (Sitis). Her name may have the same root as the word Satan in Hebrew or Sotah (unfaithful wife). She is a princess and Job a tribal leader. Her response to their destruction is to go out and earn a living. Eventually and unknown to her she sells her hair to Satan in exchange for three loaves of bread for her husband; it is Satan who puts the words "Curse G-d" into her mouth. She later comes back and pleads with Job to be allowed to go into the rubble of the Palace to recover the dead bodies of her children. Job tells her that they must be left and she takes herself off to lie amongst the cattle where she dies.

Only after her death does she receive honour as the city laments her death. Job is restored and in a bizarre twist marries Dinah (a daughter of Jacob) and has 10 children by her.
Yet Sitidos remains a tragic figure in this version, one whose suffering stands independently of her husband's and raises questions of its own.

JOB, TESTAMENT OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com
JOB, TESTAMENT OF:

Greek apocryphal book, containing a haggadic story of Job.
It was first published by Angelo Mai in the seventh volume of the "Scriptorum Veterum Nova Collectio" (pp. 180-191, Rome, 1833), and was translated in Migne's "Dictionnaire des Apocryphes" (ii. 403), but remained unnoticed by critics until Montague Rhodes James, in his notes to the "Testament of Abraham" (in "Texts and Studies," p. 155, Cambridge, 1892), called attention to it. Kohler, in the "Kohut Memorial Volume" (1897, pp. 264-338), republished and translated Mai's text, with introduction and notes, and about the same time M. R. James reedited the work, after a Paris manuscript (which gives a text by no means superior in value to Mai's), in "Apocrypha Anecdota" (pp. 104-137, Cambridge, 1897, with an introduction).


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[yeshuasavedme]

I just saw this concerning a book of "The Testament of Job" when looking up about Job's wife.
First I have heard about this

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That does not pass the Scripture test, and is in the same class as the Lilith fables.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

I just saw this concerning a book of "The Testament of Job" when looking up about Job's wife.
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First I have heard about this
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That does not pass the Scripture test, and is in the same class as the Lilith fables.

What about what our bro Paul said about "Jewish fables".

2Ti 4:4
and indeed from the truth, the hearing they shall turn away,
and to the fables they shall be turned aside.

Tts 1:14
not giving heed to Jewish fables and commands of men,
turning themselves away from the truth;


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[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
I still have issues with her. She didn't suffer as badly as Job. I am still in the middle of the study however, and i have much to learn. Thank you for your input.

She had great mental anguish. She lost everything she had
her children
her possessions
her standing in the community
and her husband was not able to do anything but suffer and had no answers to give her for why.
She could not bear it. You can imagine her grief, her depression, her absolute feeling of total and complete abandonment, but she was not the one being a spectacle before all heaven and all the Satans -Job was -and we only hear her one breaking point of frustration, after which she probably retreated into depression [if she was like any other human being going through that without a word from God], as she took care of Job day by day to the best of her ability -since everyone else had abandoned them who were not killed already.
God did not hold it against her, cause Job, a priest of righteousness, did not have to offer any prayers for her forgiveness
Being his wife, she was doubly blessed with him after his and her trial was ended.

Was she sitting in the trash heap with Job, covered head to foot in sores that the dogs were licking, and being challenged over and over again while in the deepest throes of his misery by friends? Where was she? If Job was a wise man, and a righteous man, why would he want this woman, who betrayed him and God in his worst hour and appeared to be nowhere around in this horror of a chapter of his life?

I'm thinkin' she left him in disgust, never to be seen again....

sorry sister, but this a very difficult book for me to read and study on....

 

[brinny]

I just saw this concerning a book of "The Testament of Job" when looking up about Job's wife.
First I have heard about this

The Book of Job, part 5: Job's wife – did she bless or curse? | Alexander Goldberg | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


Whilst modern commentators have seen Job's wife as a mere adjunct to Job and his property, a much earlier attempt to rewrite the story of Job with a more egalitarian take exists.

The Testament of Job is a rewrite of Job, written in the first person from his viewpoint. It is a post-Biblical Judaic work (written either in the 1st century BCE or CE) lost by the Jews, later rejected as being non-Apocryphal by the Vatican but preserved by Copts. It is widely assumed to have emanated from the Theraputae, an ascetic Jewish sect described by Philo in some detail as egalitarian. The version we have today is in Greek and reads like a Greek tragedy and certainly the narrative is aligned to Aggadic versions of Job present in the Talmud.

Job's first wife is Sitidos (Sitis). Her name may have the same root as the word Satan in Hebrew or Sotah (unfaithful wife). She is a princess and Job a tribal leader. Her response to their destruction is to go out and earn a living. Eventually and unknown to her she sells her hair to Satan in exchange for three loaves of bread for her husband; it is Satan who puts the words "Curse G-d" into her mouth. She later comes back and pleads with Job to be allowed to go into the rubble of the Palace to recover the dead bodies of her children. Job tells her that they must be left and she takes herself off to lie amongst the cattle where she dies.

Only after her death does she receive honour as the city laments her death. Job is restored and in a bizarre twist marries Dinah (a daughter of Jacob) and has 10 children by her.
Yet Sitidos remains a tragic figure in this version, one whose suffering stands independently of her husband's and raises questions of its own.

JOB, TESTAMENT OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com
JOB, TESTAMENT OF:

Greek apocryphal book, containing a haggadic story of Job.
It was first published by Angelo Mai in the seventh volume of the "Scriptorum Veterum Nova Collectio" (pp. 180-191, Rome, 1833), and was translated in Migne's "Dictionnaire des Apocryphes" (ii. 403), but remained unnoticed by critics until Montague Rhodes James, in his notes to the "Testament of Abraham" (in "Texts and Studies," p. 155, Cambridge, 1892), called attention to it. Kohler, in the "Kohut Memorial Volume" (1897, pp. 264-338), republished and translated Mai's text, with introduction and notes, and about the same time M. R. James reedited the work, after a Paris manuscript (which gives a text by no means superior in value to Mai's), in "Apocrypha Anecdota" (pp. 104-137, Cambridge, 1897, with an introduction).


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interesting to munch on.....thanks for your input.

 

[Rhamiel]

That does not pass the Scripture test, and is in the same class as the Lilith fables.

the lilith fables are interesting to read
both for their value as folklore
and to better understand the culture of the ancient hebrews

but you are correct, not scripture

 

[BrotherDC]

Was she sitting in the trash heap with Job, covered head to foot in sores that the dogs were licking, and being challenged over and over again while in the deepest throes of his misery by friends? Where was she? If Job was a wise man, and a righteous man, why would he want this woman, who betrayed him and God in his worst hour and appeared to be nowhere around in this horror of a chapter of his life?

I'm thinkin' she left him in disgust, never to be seen again....

sorry sister, but this a very difficult book for me to read and study on....

Every couple fight, Job loved his wife and she him, i think. And after losing our children i bet we all would do the same as them.

 

[BrotherDC]

But, i just want to see good in everything, who knows.

 

[brinny]

Thanks for your input.

 

[BrotherDC]

Thanks for your input.

Yer welcome.

 

[Rick Otto]

I do not agree with that assessment of Job.
Precisely because he was innocent and faithful was he allowed to be a witness [means martyr] before the satans, before whom Job was a "spectacle" as in an arena, before all heaven.
Precisely because God could trust Job was the trial allowed in his life, and for the glory of God, and not for any reason of Job's sins of any kind.
Job's righteousness was because he was obedient, not because he was pure personally of all that the Adam race is subject to, and because Job knew he had been faithful and obedient, he had a true and rightful reason to question God.
The questions were not answered for him until God came to visit at the end of the trial.
Job wrote it down for us so that we also can understand that, sometimes, a trial is not for our own punishment, but is for the Glory of God in the presence of the false accusations of the Satans -from the chief Satan.

I have a certain young relative [whom I will not mention the relation connection of] who is a believer from an early age and has always tried to follow God in every way and has given her life to service of others [she is graduating from medical school [edit oops] -next- year, and wants to do -and is in- research to help mankind], but I was intrigued when her mother told me that when she had a dental check-up a few short years ago and the dentist found some minor cavities to take care of, that she about freaked out on the way home from the dentist while her older missionary sister was driving her [it was when she was home on school break one year]. The freak-out was because she had always "done everything right" and "why would she be afflicted with cavities"----as I said, she was young -and still is, having advanced two years in her studies over others her age].
The freak out was so bad that her older and wiser missionary sister nearly had to stop the car and slap her to get her to stop it!

That is a lesson she had to learn and I think it was a good one, because she will be working with lower income patients which is her goal, also, and she cannot lecture them on "do right to get right results". Life just does not work that way under the curse of sin and death in this present age: but God owns us and is in control of us and will not allow anything to come our way that He will not bring us out of, and if only for the Glory of God does a trial come [like the man born blind in the NT whom Jesus healed], then we serve Him, and in the end, we get the rewards for faithfulness.

Job served as a priest of righteousness for his family and friends, and was tested beyond his ability to understand, but in the end he did understand -and that is the "wisdom lesson of Job" he wrote for us all, to understand!

Right On!