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Poor thing would have been better killed in the trap. A cat might get hold of him and tease him before eating him alive. Otherwise he starves to death.
A lot of them suffered immensely before they died. The lucky ones could be considered the ones that died quickly.Look at what happened to the unbelieving Jews during the invasion of Jerusalem in 70AD (See the whole of Matthew chapter 23). In their case they died.....Legalism and self-righteousness always brings trouble. Job learned better; the unbelieving Jews died in their unbelief.
Luke 21:23
"Woe to the ones in belly having and those suckling in those the days! For shall be distress great upon the Land and Wrath upon this people [Daniel 12]
Reve 18:8 by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine;
and in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her.
iv. This strong statement of the godliness of Job is important to understanding the rest of the story. Recognizing this righteousness of Job “will save us from the mistake of thinking at any point of those experiences as having their explanation in the man himself. Nor for himself did he suffer. His pains were not penalties for wrongdoing: they were not even chastisements for correction.” (Morgan)
v. “Job was ‘blameless.’ This does not mean Job was sinless, but blameless. There is a huge difference. Sin is vertical, blameless is horizontal. . . . as Job lived before the watchful eye of his peers, no one could justly charge Job with moral failure. His reputation was impeccable.” (Lawson)
vi. “The insistence on Job’s uprightness should not be weakened in the interests of a dogma of universal human depravity. Job is not considered to be perfect or sinless. All the speakers in the book, including Job himself, are convinced that men are sinful. Job’s first recorded act is to offer sacrifices for sin. This is not the point. It is possible for sinful men to be genuinely good.” (Anderson)
Isaiah shares this honorable title, "my servant," with a select few among God's saints - with Abraham (Genesis 26:24), Moses (Numbers 12:7), Caleb (Numbers 14:24), Job (Job 1:8; Job 42:7, 8), Eliakim (Isaiah 22:20), and Zerubbabel (Haggai 2:23). It is a great acknowledgment for the Creator to make to the creature, that he really does him service.
What is central to the drama is the suffering and torments of Job himself. Perhaps more importantly, Job's wife is not a conscientious, devoted, sensible, compassionate wife like, say, Portia (the wife of Brutus). If she were such a wife, she would embrace her husband's suffering as her own. She would tell her husband it is God's will to submit oneself to adversity. She would be a tower of strength to him. We do not expect her to be the perfect, ideal wife portrayed in chapter 31 of the Book of Proverbs , one who speaks nothing but wisdom and lovingkindness; but we do expect her to be a sensible, God-fearing woman. The Prologue to the Book of Job, however, makes it quite clear that she is fickle and sacrilegious. In fact, she only adds to her husband's suffering, distancing herself from him. She has developed a loathing for him. In the words of Job himself:
My breath is noisome to my wife (Job 19:17a).
She is, indeed, a foolish woman, speaking like one of those foolish female chatterers. She makes an outrageous, blasphemous suggestion: to curse God and incur the penalty of death. In a sense, she joins hands with the Adversary, Satan.
The following commentary is from "The Literary and Theological Function of Jobs Wife in the Book of Job" by Victor Sasson:
e. His sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day: The idea of this description seems to be that Job’s family had a happy and close relationship. This reinforces the idea that Job and his family were greatly blessed, and does not seem to indicate that they were unduly given over to festivity and pleasure-seeking. They happily celebrated special days (each on his appointed day), probably their birthdays.
i. “No disapproval of this pleasant life is expressed. We need not suppose that they spent all their time in roistering and did no work. There is no hint of drunkenness or licence or laziness.” (Anderson)
ii. “If he had condemned it he would never have offered sacrifice to God, lest they should have sinned, but he would have told them at once it was a sinful thing, and that he could give no countenance to it.” (Spurgeon) Spurgeon saw in Job 1:4-5 a permission for feasting and celebration among believers; he preached a Christmas sermon upon this very text and used it as proof that God allows and enjoys such celebrations among His people.
f. Job would send and sanctify them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings: Again, the idea seems to be much more that Job was a scrupulously godly man who served as a priest to his family, more than that his children were wicked people who needed constant atonement.
i. “What a beautiful example is furnished by Job to Christian parents! When your girls are going among strangers, and your boys into the great ways of the world, and you are unable to impose your will upon them, as in the days of childhood, you can yet pray for them, casting over them the shield of intercession, with strong cryings and tears. They are beyond your reach; but by faith you can move the arm of God on their behalf.” (Meyer)
f. Job would send and sanctify them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings: Again, the idea seems to be much more that Job was a scrupulously godly man who served as a priest to his family, more than that his children were wicked people who needed constant atonement.
At the end of Jobs life, God blessed him with double his earthly wealth and with 10 more children. No woman in the Bible had 20 children. So, though not recorded, Job most probably lost his first wife and it was the new Mrs. Job that gave him 10 more children, 7 sons and 3 daughters. And remember, these children did not physically resemble the first family.
I just came across this verse that i had never noticed before and it just looomed out, almost like it "lit up" as i read it:
"By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith." ~Hebrews 11:7
Here's the bottom line:
The relationship with God of every Godly man throughout biblical history "pivoted" on the "fear of the Lord". It's the "key" that set Job apart and why God defined him as He did, and thus why he was targeted by Satan.
There's a verse that is vastly ignored or skimmed over and not seen for the very treasure it is, in that it is the very verse that is the basis for our relationship with El Elyon, the living God. It's the "key" to God's heart:
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Proverbs 9:10
There's a verse that is vastly ignored or skimmed over and not seen for the very treasure it is, in that it is the very verse that is the basis for our relationship with El Elyon, the living God. It's the "key" to God's heart:
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Proverbs 9:10
Originally Posted by brinny View Post
There's a verse that is vastly ignored or skimmed over and not seen for the very treasure it is, in that it is the very verse that is the basis for our relationship with El Elyon, the living God. It's the "key" to God's heart:
It's one thing to give phony religious lip service to 'fear of the Lord.'
It's quite another to 'experience it.' As it is utterly horrifying to the core of one's being.
It is even another to understand that it is soundly scripturally based.
Would you care to elaborate?
(Do you think that God knows the difference?)
Thank you kindly.
Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Would you care to elaborate?
(Do you think that God knows the difference?)
Thank you kindly.
It may be something to look forward to in your hopefully long life's christian experiences. It's not something that can be conveyed to anyone by anyone else.
Chastisement and tribulation is a personal matter. It is real. It is utterly horrifying. And it is very sound theology.
The "fear of the Lord" is about "chastisement"?
Thank you kindly.
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