A question about babies salvation

[disciple Clint]

Hi everyone,

I have another small question.So needless to say it’s one causing havoc on my anxiety.

So I hold nothing against the Lord.I trust and love him unconditionally.But a thought that isn’t mine keeps repeating itself by saying “I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”,this thought isn’t mine,I didn’t conjure up this thought either,I don’t like it,I didnt willfully think it,I don’t even confess it to challenge the lord,I’m not even saying that I don’t want to continue discipleship either.I hate this thought/Question,I hate that it’s polluting my mind,and I hate it in general.Like I said I hate to have to type out the thought,every word in it I’m against.I would never ever refer to the Lord as “A God”.Nor am I debating my devotion to him either because im following him no matter what.But I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

God does not send anyone to hell, they go there because that is where they want to be. Babies are innocent, the innocent belong in heaven.

 

[Lukaris]

Sin is life and death and the moral law. All have sinned just by being born to die ( obviously inescapable). As we live we will sin but infants hardly have a chance to use free will. Romans 5:12-14 is the sting of mortality and then morality. St. Paul clearly explains that even those who did not have the Gospel or the law of Moses still have a law of conscience by which they will be judged ( Romans 2).

 

[Blaise N]

God does not send anyone to hell, they go there because that is where they want to be. Babies are innocent, the innocent belong in heaven.

That’s a philosophy I go by,people choose to go to hell.I agree 101%!

 

[RDKirk]

God does not send anyone to hell, they go there because that is where they want to be. Babies are innocent, the innocent belong in heaven.

I would agree that everyone in hell will be people who chose with eyes wide open not to spend eternity in the presence of God.

 

[com7fy8]

I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

You can trust the LORD to do what is right, with every child and every unborn person. My opinion is that if you trust Him, then anxiety can not get the better of us.

So, I would say start with simply trusting the LORD so you are in peace. And be unconditional about this. And trust God to guide our attention to where our attention belongs.

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

Babies that die (for example abortion) go to heaven because they are innocent. There are some biblical proofs but even if you just use common sense you could think that babies cannot commit sin because they don't even know what sin is.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Here is my theory...... not really biblical but the logic has some merit I think.
I believe those who God deems as not mentally able to truly be accountable for their sins go to heaven temporarily. When Jesus sets confines Satan and sets up his 1000 year reign I believe all those who did not accept Jesus and/or those who were not mature (accountable) enough to decide for him (or not) will be living on earth during that reign and after 1000 years when Satan is let loose to tempt everyone these former children (babies) and the people with mental issue that would be cured of them and be "normal" will have to decide who to follow. Essentially according to the Bible those who are deemed "not accountable" due to age, maturity, mental issues are not saved in the way that those who are accountable and accept Jesus. They are not damned either but they still have to choose Jesus.

Now you can take this idea with a grain of salt but I think it has some logic to it as per the Bible saying that people will be tempted at the end of 1000 years and those who fail to resist are damned (unsaved). I'm thinking that those who are saved prior to the 1000 year reign have already been saved and the temptation doesn't apply to them I believe that their connection to the Holy Spirit differs from those who even though they didn't go to hell, they have not been saved, just delayed like the saints in paradise who waited in faith for God to rescue them unto him.

 

[trophy33]

I do not post this to argue but to give every one some thing to consider.

If we look at the wider context of Romans 1-3, I think that we’ll see that Paul uses the word all in Romans 3:23 to speak of all humanity since creation, both Jews and Greeks.

But in Romans 3, Paul goes even further to show that the word all in Romans 3:23 doesn’t just mean “all ethnic groups have sinned,” “all in general have sinned,” or that “every kind of person has sinned.” Rather Paul shows that each and every individual of fallen humanity has sinned.

Consider the CONTEXT In Romans 3:10-11 where Paul makes this crystal clear:.......
“None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.”

The fact that Paul denies the goodness of any fallen individual in Romans 3:10-11 should clarify his meaning of all in Romans 3:23.

Think about it folks.....There would be little reason for Paul to deny that any individual is good, not even one, if “all” always meant “all” without any qualification.

Thus, we see that the word all in alone in Romans 3:23
isn’t sufficient to prove that each and every individual descended from Adam has sinned. But the context of Romans 3 demonstrates that that’s exactly what Paul means.

The context is that Paul proves that Jews are sinners, not just Gentiles.

Thats why he qouted the text from the Old Testament about all Jews turning away from God.

The topic was not babies or individuality, but nations.

 

[trophy33]

Babies that die (for example abortion) go to heaven because they are innocent. There are some biblical proofs but even if you just use common sense you could think that babies cannot commit sin because they don't even know what sin is.

Aborted babies have not developed any human personality yet and they have no understanding of the world, of themeselves or of heaven.

So, in my opinion, really small babies of course do not go to hell to suffer, but may simply cease to exist as the spirit goes back to God and flesh back to earth. There is no human soul developed enough to be saved or punished.

 

[johnjanuary1984]

Aborted babies have not developed any human personality yet and they have no understanding of the world, of themeselves or of heaven.

So, in my opinion, really small babies of course do not go to hell to suffer, but may simply cease to exist as the spirit goes back to God and flesh back to earth. There is no human soul developed enough to be saved or punished.

So at what age are humans accountable for their sins ??

 

[johnjanuary1984]

Would God the Father still have excepted the sacrifice of Jesus if his Father wasn't the Holy Spirit ???

 

[RDKirk]

So at what age are humans accountable for their sins ??

It will differ for different people, a matter of what they can know about God. See my post #4.

 

[Major1]

The context is that Paul proves that Jews are sinners, not just Gentiles.

Thats why he qouted the text from the Old Testament about all Jews turning away from God.

The topic was not babies or individuality, but nations.

Exactly !

 

[Major1]

" So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, so also death spread to all people because all sinned." Romans 5:12

Correct. Just like it says.

It is not brain surgery!

 

[trophy33]

So at what age are humans accountable for their sins ??

I do not know, God knows.

I highly doubt there is one specific age for everyone. Various children develop in different pace. So instead of a number, I can rather imagine reaching some level of self-awareness.

 

[TedT]

“I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”

Only those who have sinned by their free will the unforgivable sin will end in hell.
No innocent is condemned to hell.

IF by babies you mean innocents who have never sinned then HE will not send them to hell. But many believe that babies are not innocent but sinful as proven by their deaths since death is the wages of sin, not a consequence of ife.

So the only question is: how did they become sinful? If GOD created them sinful by making them human in Adam then HE cannot righteously judge them as evil for being as they are created, yet they still die as sinners. Hmmm...

I suggest we start with HIS attributes a loving, righteous and just and define every doctrine we hear about HIM as to whether it fits HIS attributes at face value, not by sophisticated theological argument.

 

[Major1]

Only those who have sinned by their free will the unforgivable sin will end in hell.
No innocent is condemned to hell.

IF by babies you mean innocents who have never sinned then HE will not send them to hell. But many believe that babies are not innocent but sinful as proven by their deaths since death is the wages of sin, not a consequence of ife.

So the only question is: how did they become sinful? If GOD created them sinful by making them human in Adam then HE cannot righteously judge them as evil for being as they are created, yet they still die as sinners. Hmmm...

I suggest we start with HIS attributes a loving, righteous and just and define every doctrine we hear about HIM as to whether it fits HIS attributes at face value, not by sophisticated theological argument.

Ted......that is not what the Bible says.

God created Adam, Adam listened Eve and then, due to his freedom of choice.....He choose to disobey God. THAT WAS SIN.

 

[trophy33]

But many believe that babies are not innocent but sinful as proven by their deaths since death is the wages of sin, not a consequence of ife.

The consequence of sin is spiritual death, not physical death. Physical death is just a logical consequence of natural laws.

Jesus physically died even though He was without a sin.

 

[Major1]

The consequence of sin is spiritual death, not physical death. Physical death is just a logical consequence of natural laws.

Jesus physically died even though He was without a sin.

May I say to you that in the Bible, the word DEATH is interchangeable with "Seperation".

Romans 6:23........
"The wages of sin is death" = separation from God.

 

[trophy33]

May I say to you that in the Bible, the word DEATH is interchangeable with "Seperation".

Romans 6:23........
"The wages of sin is death" = separation from God.

It certainly is related to each other.