A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[HitchSlap]

As the saying goes:

Thunder makes a big impression, but lightning gets the job done.

Psalm 144:6 Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them.

Pffftt.. Iron chariots are to god, what kryptonite is to Superman.

And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19

 

[AV1611VET]

Pffftt.. Iron chariots are to god, what kryptonite is to Superman.

And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19

And a dead man kept certain men from participating in the Passover, didn't he?

Numbers 9:6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:

 

[HitchSlap]

And a dead man kept certain men from participating in the Passover, didn't he?

Numbers 9:6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:

Lost on a technicality and bogged down by bureaucratic red tape. I guess dead bodies really [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] god off? Bummer, tell that to the dead soldier's wives.

 

[EternalDragon]

Christian Forums is not a place of worship, and it was never intended to be.

The whole point of these forums is to engage non-christians. If this is a problem, there are christian-only forums that you may be better suited for.

It's not a problem to me. I was responding to someone's post that seemed to have a problem with it.

 

[GenemZ]

Pffftt.. Iron chariots are to god, what kryptonite is to Superman.

And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19

If you understood warfare and the time that happened in, you would be able to see the wisdom of God at work.

Israel was the greatest infantry at that time. They had no chariots of their own. They were foot soldiers in that day. Infantry on a plain would be committing suicide if they went against well armored chariots. It would be like attacking a tank with an M16. But, that was good for Israel!

Those inhabitants on the plain could not invade mountain country where the Jews were because armored chariots are useless on such terrain. Chariots are fantastic on the open plain where they lived! Those inhabitants of the plain remained where they were by God's will. That was because their fierce presence acted as a buffer state between the Jews and the outside world.

Remember! It says that God was with the men of Judah. God stopped them from entering that plain. For, God knew it is good to have a strong buffer state between you and your enemies. A buffer state that can not invade you, and you can not invade them. Mutual respect for the strength of each other. . Neat trick! God is the great stratetician and tactician.

 

[HitchSlap]

If you understood warfare and the time that happened in, you would be able to see the wisdom of God at work.

Israel was the greatest infantry at that time. They had no chariots of their own. They were foot soldiers in that day. Infantry on a plain would be committing suicide if they went against well armored chariots. It would be like attacking a tank with an M16. But, that was good for Israel!

Those inhabitants on the plain could not invade mountain country where the Jews were because armored chariots are useless on such terrain. Chariots are fantastic on the open plain where they lived! Those inhabitants of the plain remained where they were by God's will. That was because their fierce presence acted as a buffer state between the Jews and the outside world.

Remember! It says that God was with the men of Judah. God stopped them from entering that plain. For, God knew it is good to have a strong buffer state between you and your enemies. A buffer state that can not invade you, and you can not invade them. Mutual respect for the strength of each other. . Neat trick! God is the great stratetician and tactician.

 

[Golden Yak]

Israel was the greatest infantry at that time. They had no chariots of their own. They were foot soldiers in that day. Infantry on a plain would be committing suicide if they went against well armored chariots.

So it would have taken some kind of miracle for them to win, is what you're saying.

 

[GenemZ]

So it would have taken some kind of miracle for them to win, is what you're saying.

Not what I am saying...

Isaiah 55:8

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
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It says God was with the men of Judah. Therefore, what happened was God's will. They actually did God's will, even if they wanted personally to do otherwise. God's ways were not that of the desires of men. Surely the Jews wanted to win. But, once they sensed God was not in it, they backed down and accepted God's will. For they knew if God wanted the Jews to be victorious, it would have been theirs to have.

Now...If we took it your way of thinking and applied it to Israel? Then, Israel should have conquered the entire world! But, God did not want all the world to be His. Only his select people were to be His own possession at that time. The world was Satan's kingdom, and God recognized that.

God knows what works best in revealing his righteousness when there is something to contrast with. At his fall Satan wanted to replace God. Satan thought He was even better than the Lord. By having one small nation dedicated to God's Law, God wanted to show Satan what a low life he really was by setting up a small nation of his own, to contrast with barbarism and brutality that Satan's fingerprints were written on all over in the pagan nations around Israel.

Its one reason why the Jews looked down on the Gentiles as trash in that day. God had to warn the Jews against bestiality and incest because such practices were not taboo in the pagan nations around them.

That also included the prohibition against child sacrifice. Satan's world was depraved and primitive. God shined a powerful light upon that darkness by the light God caused Israel to become. That light was the light of the world during the times the Jews were being faithful to God's Law.

At other times, the Jews slipped into degeneracy as they imitated the ways of Satan's system. That is why God punished Israel so severely at certain times. God dispersed Israel and sent them into captivity several times as to chastise them. Its one reason why they had three temples in Jerusalem, not just one. For each one got destroyed when God brought the hammer down on an arrogant and disobedient Israel.

 

[GenemZ]

Atheism... that metaphorical elephant in the proverbial room of human consciousness. Maybe it's time we talk about it.

That's like the homosexual who thinks everyone is a latent homosexual. Its not the case. Atheists suffer from projection because they can not fathom that another soul can actually know God is real. So, excuses you must find and cling to. That is what drives the atheist to try to disprove the Bible. They hate even considering the possibility that they may be dead wrong. That they might actually be denied. No logic can break that shell. Because if anyone is to find God, its all between them and God to begin with.

John 6:44

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me
draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.


John 6:65

He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one
can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”



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No preacher saves souls. He is simply picking the fruit that God has behind the scenes worked on and had caused to be produced. That explains why some preacher can be an ignorant jack ass, and we will still see people coming to Christ when the Gospel is given.

 

[HitchSlap]

That's like the homosexual who thinks everyone is a latent homosexual. Its not the case. Atheists suffer from projection because they can not fathom that another soul can actually know God is real. So, excuses you must find and cling to. That is what drives the atheist to try to disprove the Bible. They hate even considering the possibility that they may be dead wrong. That they might actually be denied. No logic can break that shell. Because if anyone is to find God, its all between them and God to begin with.

John 6:44

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me
draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.


John 6:65

He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one
can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”



​

No preacher saves souls. He is simply picking the fruit that God has behind the scenes worked on and had caused to be produced. That explains why some preacher can be an ignorant jack ass, and we will still see people coming to Christ when the Gospel is given.

What was that you were saying about projection?

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's like the homosexual who thinks everyone is a latent homosexual. Its not the case. Atheists suffer from projection because they can not fathom that another soul can actually know God is real. So, excuses you must find and cling to. That is what drives the atheist to try to disprove the Bible. They hate even considering the possibility that they may be dead wrong.

Untrue, I am well aware that people can and do often deeply believe their religious views to be true, just like I feel that my atheistic views are true, the feeling is the same. I have no desire to disprove the bible at all, and I don't know many people that have that as the primary goal of their research or their lives in general. Rather, most attacks on the bible stem from either having to defend the data and results that clash with its ideas, or to defend our having secular views in the first place. I would never even bother to mention the bible if theists did not pressure me to state why I am an atheist to begin with.

I would love to be wrong, I would love there to be 100% chance of an afterlife! even if it meant I would suffer forever for not believing it. I WANT TO BE WRONG. However, my personal desires have little to no impact on my own beliefs, as it were, which is why I am still an atheist. I have no desire not to know or be sure of what happens after we die, because that makes death all the more terrifying and sad to deal with.

 

[HitchSlap]

Untrue, I am well aware that people can and do often deeply believe their religious views to be true, just like I feel that my atheistic views are true, the feeling is the same. I have no desire to disprove the bible at all, and I don't know many people that have that as the primary goal of their research or their lives in general. Rather, most attacks on the bible stem from either having to defend the data and results that clash with its ideas, or to defend our having secular views in the first place. I would never even bother to mention the bible if theists did not pressure me to state why I am an atheist to begin with.

I would love to be wrong, I would love there to be 100% chance of an afterlife! even if it meant I would suffer forever for not believing it. I WANT TO BE WRONG. However, my personal desires have little to no impact on my own beliefs, as it were, which is why I am still an atheist. I have no desire not to know or be sure of what happens after we die, because that makes death all the more terrifying and sad to deal with.

I'm beginning to get the distinct impression he's unable to hold a normal conversation, and has to create a straw man and buttress his argument with a healthy dose of projection. His MO seem to be, tell me what I think, tell me why I'm wrong, and regurgitate random scripture.

 

[GenemZ]

What was that you were saying about projection?

Just another non-answer from Hitch Slap? Nothing new.

 

[CabVet]

Just another non-answer from Hitch Slap? Nothing new.

Just another non-comment from genez? Nothing new.

 

[GenemZ]

I'm beginning to get the distinct impression he's unable to hold a normal conversation, and has to create a straw man and buttress his argument with a healthy dose of projection. His MO seem to be, tell me what I think, tell me why I'm wrong, and regurgitate random scripture.

You can't deal with what I said... Now you are trying to form a tag team to carry the load.

Here kity kity kitty!

 

[GenemZ]

Just another non-comment from genez? Nothing new.

CabVet, who has the generic response down to a science.

Atheists are BORING. They are stuck in a tightly sealed box with thick walls which keeps their world predictable and non-threatening to their sense of knowing what is best. Mind you. Christians can be the same way. They are sometimes referred to as 'fundies.' Or, 'religious dogmatics.' Both the atheists and them are opposite poles of the same kind of arrogance.

On the other hand.. The Word of God is a frontier that is full of room for exploration and discovery. That is, for those willing to forgo seeking worldly security, and are willing to go on to where no mere man is capable of going in his own natural strength.


Have a nice Day?

 

[Loudmouth]

CabVet, who has the generic response down to a science.

Atheists are BORING. They are stuck in a tightly sealed box with thick walls which keeps their world predictable and non-threatening to their sense of knowing what is best.

In what way?

On the other hand.. The Word of God is a frontier that is full of room for exploration and discovery. That is, for those willing to forgo seeking worldly security, and are willing to go on to where no mere man is capable of going in his own natural strength.


Have a nice Day?

Full of room? It's a book with a finite number of pages that hasn't been added to in 2,000 years. It is the definition of lack of space. Also, people read the Bible because it makes them feel more secure. Just look at dad in another thread. He has been forced into a corner where he can't question any of his beliefs. This is because he has forced himself into the tiny little box of Biblical literalism.

It's as if you live in Bizarro world where everything is the opposite of the real world.

 

[Chany]

Man was in his infancy. He did not even understand what we take for granted. Common manners? Never was taught. Rude and crude. Man had to be disciplined, punished for bad doing, and trained to lead him into being civilized someday. You do not go up to a wild dog and pet him. You'd be in for a rude surprise. You do not mount a wild horse and expect to have him accept you in the saddle either...

Your own life is a reflection of that. At one time you needed to have your diapers changed and had a few temper tantrums along the way. You needed to be spanked at times.

Then you outgrew that phase. Still needed to be spanked at times when you got self willed and wanting what was wrong.

Then you outgrew that phase and the approach on teaching you to become civilized took on other imposed authority over your life.

According to your profile you are still young. There will be more life molding influences beyond your control that will confront you and demand of you certain things you would rather not do.

Now... when in high school? If someone brought a gun to school and started shooting some of the students. Law enforcement would have entered your school and may have shot the maniac dead. You would have been relieved if you were to be the next room that maniac was to enter.

God has an advantage over man. He does not have to wait for the maniac to first raise his ugly head and begin murdering others before God will kill that person. God can kill him before he can kill. So, God commanded that the Taliban of their day be executed... even the children, before they could murder and torture the Jews.

Which was the more civilized way to deal with a murderous people?

The children were not as innocent as you presume. They did not grow up in your dream world mentality. They grew up in a nightmare mentality. Just look at it being manifested today!


Future threat: Taliban children aged five are pictured being trained to fire guns by extremists in Afghanistan

God simply had that type of murderous demonized people killed off so Israel could get on their feet and become established in a land having peace. You think God would have been more benevolent if He allowed them to live and kill his chosen people over years of struggle? I think God actually took the more civilized approach. For many years Israel partook of great peace and prosperity. When Israel became unfaithful God allowed their enemies to prosper... Discipline.

Great, this argument is nothing but pure goodness. I've never heard this one before and I have no response!

:sarcasm mode off:

We have to kill people to protect ourselves. If we did not have to kill the maniac for our safety, then we should not kill him; merely restrain him and render him a nonthreat.

God does not need to kill anyone to protect others, as he can render any person harmless.

Those children are being raised to hate us. Take them out of that environment, and you can teach them something else.

I need to stop because whenever I see the line that genocide is a civilized method of disciplining people and teaching your children, I want to say something that'll get me banned.

 

[CabVet]

CabVet, who has the generic response down to a science.

You got that right, I copied it from you.

 

[HitchSlap]

You can't deal with what I said... Now you are trying to form a tag team to carry the load.

Here kity kity kitty!

You didn't say anything, genez. You blathered on about what you think homosexuals and atheists think, while seemingly under the false impression you've somehow made a point. Let me know if you'd like to try again.