a physical body in heaven?

[Davy]

Jesus said his body was flesh and bones (Lk 24:39).

And Apostle Paul said this, showing that Lord Jesus' flesh body was transfigured to "a quickening spirit" type, so I guessed you missed this and chose to heed Jewish traditions instead...

1 Cor 15:44-47
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
KJV

 

[yeshuasavedme]

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50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15

Adam flesh body was made in the very “image/Tselem” of God, the Word, who was to come, and is come, in the body of flesh made exactly the same as the Adam flesh was made, before the defilement of it at the fall.

Genesis 1:26-28
Romans 5:14.

The Adam flesh is defiled. The New Man flesh is not corrupted/defiled as Adam flesh is, and is incorruptible in the same manner as gold is incorruptible; which is why the flesh body of the New Man, the Last “Adam/man” is represented in the Living Oracles as the Mercy Seat. The Solid Gold Mercy Seat typed His flesh body.

His body of flesh could not corrupt because the Prince of this world, Satan, had “nothing in Him”.
It could not corrupt in three days and three nights when it lay in the tomb from the 4th day just before the going down of the sun, to the end of the 7th day just before the going down of the sun, when He took it back up again, and He forever lives in that body called a garment of human being flesh.
Revelation 19
Isaiah 59.

Our Creator is come in 2nd Man flesh to Atone for our sins and the sin of the first father, so as to cleanse our souls, adopt us into his New Man, One Living Spirit, and elementally change our corruptible flesh into the flesh like His New Man flesh, with no sin, no corruption, and made fit for the Glory to indwell; and to dwell in heaven, as our first father, the Adam, did, before the fall, in his very flesh.

Redemption is the story of Restoration of our being to what it was before the fall, for the purpose it was created for, and that is the Good News called The Gospel.

The Adam flesh body was taken from earth below, to heaven above, to Paradise where he would be high priest and high king of the kingdom of God created for the Adam to reign over, and Paradise is in the third heaven, in the holy Mount called Eden, and which Also is Mount Zion of the heavenly realm. Adam flesh became defiled at the fall and cannot inherit the kingdom of God prepared for him from the beginning.

So, if Adam had eaten of the Tree of Life in his defiled flesh state, then Adam would have been in his own defiled body forever, and would be a never dying worm, a cast away, in the Lake of Fire, AND NEVER able to UNDERGO the METAMORPHOSIS, and never be a son of God again, in that state.

We who are born in Adam flesh must become born again, and become then, sons of God by adoption, and we who have received the Gospel wait for the change that will come to our flesh at eh resurrection of it or if alive at the time that happens for all the dead in Christ then at the rapture of the saints who are alive at that time.
for the Glory.


In our Adam flesh, we cannot get back into the third heaven, where Paradise is.
2 Corinthians 12:2-4
We cannot eat of the Tree of Life there, and so live forever in our Adam flesh because we were cast out, as the seed created in the loins of our first father, and cast out in Mercy so that we could not eat of that tree, and so that we could be ransomed, changed/adopted into the One Living Spirit and changed/adopted in flesh. We who are born again, into the Living Spirit, by the Atonement for us, await the adoption of the body of us, for the Glory to indwell us.
The Hope of Glory is what we wait for, in our changed bodies of New Creation flesh.
That is the Mercy of God, that He, in the Person of God the Word, put on human being flesh, like a garment, and came as Kinsman/Redeemer
His New Creation human being flesh which He donned as a garment at the incarnation is typed in the Living Oracles as the Mercy Seat.

 

[Clare73]

And Apostle Paul said this, showing that Lord Jesus' flesh body was transfigured to "a quickening spirit" type, so I guessed you missed this and chose to heed Jewish traditions instead...1 Cor 15:44-47
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
KJV

So Jesus got it wrong about his body being flesh and bones?

I think not.

And it's life-giving (quickening) Spirit (1 Corinthians 15:45), as in John 5:21, John 6:57-58; Romans 8:2.

Paul's use of "spiritual" never means immaterial or non-physical.
It always means of the domain of the Holy Spirit.

Our spiritual physical bodies are the work of the Holy Spirit.

Paul contrasts the natural physical body--sinful, weak, decaying--to the
spiritual (of the Hoy Spirit) physical body--incorruptible, glorious and powerful, fit to be in heaven for ever (Philippians 3:21).

Note in the Scriptures you posted above that the body that goes into the ground is the same body that is raised out of the ground. . .our "natural" physical body goes in and our same "spiritual" physical body is raised, just as Jesus' resurrection body is a spiritual physical body of flesh and bones, but is now incorruptible, powerful and glorious.

 

[ViaCrucis]

What reason would you give for why we will have and/or need a physical body in heaven?

By heaven is it meant the intermediate state between death and resurrection, or is heaven being used more loosely to describe the final state--where God has renewed all things?

In the former, a body is unnecessary; since between death and resurrection we are simply kept in the Lord's presence in waiting.

But our hope and the promise of God for us and the whole world is resurrection--bodily resurrection and the transformation and renewal of all creation in that future, glorious Age.

Resurrection is God's answer to the problem of death, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the firstfruits of the resurrection, and in Him we have the hope that what God has done for our Lord, He will do for all creation. That's what much of Romans ch. 8 is about: The groaning and suffering of creation under the labors of sin and death, and God's promise of life which is from Christ, and present in our life here and now through faith and by the power of the Spirit; which is the guarantee--the deposit--of the new life that is to come. When "He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to [our] mortal bodies" and "that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies."

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BobRyan]

Rewards given at the judgment seat of Christ for the redeemed are for the righteous deeds done in the body.

2 Cor 5:10 does not limit it to "just righteous deeds" - it says for "Deed done in the body - both good and bad".

Rom 6:23 says the reward for bad deeds is death.

Rom 2:4-16 makes the contrast between good deeds vs bad deeds in that future judgment - in great detail.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

What reason would you give for why we will have and/or need a physical body in heaven?

1) Because Yahew of the Bible is not the deity of Gnosticism and Manicheanism. He values the material besides the spiritual (in fact the material world has its own spiritual value). This especially is shown with the Incarnation of the Son of God, and him retaining his physical human body after completing his work saving us.


2) Because the Bible speaks of the Resurrection of the dead, and speaks of us, being given an incorruptible body in the Life to Come .

 

[renniks]

What reason would you give for why we will have and/or need a physical body in heaven?

Because we will eventually be on the new earth. And I don't see any indication that heaven isn't a material place.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Bob, this thread is “why the body”, and my posts are attempting to show why the body; the glorious reason we were created in the image of God, which is the very image Adam was made flesh in and in which same image God the Word is come in flesh in, but without sin, which Adam flesh is corrupted by, and the very exact “typos/type” of flesh that Adam was created in was the same flesh Adam was set in Paradise in, and had fellowship with the Word in, and was cast out of Paradise in the third heaven in, so that he would not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in the defiled body in, in everlasting state of “death” of spirit in, which would make him only fit to be a never dying worm cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death.
It is not annihilation, ever. To perish is not to never be in existence, but to never be in a state of being that is the created purpose of our being. That is the 2nd death.
Jesus came to ransom us back, so that we could be His adopted sons in the New Man Living Spirit, flesh, and Name.

Adam died the first death the moment his flesh was defiled.
That death made Adam defiled for the Glory, unable to be transfigured after his millennial day to the Glory of the sons of God who were created to build the temple not made with hands, in the heavens.
When Adam died the first death of separation from the Glory, his body could have lived in the state of eternal Death and been cast into the Lake of Fire as unfit forever. That is the second death.
The Word of God says so.
Jesus tasted Death for every human being on the cross, for whosoever will receive Him, so as to be Alive in Him forever as an adopted son of God (male and female human being persons are sons of God, in Scripture).
When Jesus cried out, “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me”!, that was the moment of separation from the Father that Jesus tasted for us, as a second creation flesh brother to the Adam, the Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam creation.

God the Word is come, clothed with that flesh as a garment of Salvation (Isaiah 59 says YHWH donned the Garment of Salvation to be our Kinsman/Redeemer), and that flesh is the only created flesh brother to the Adam, the “only begotten Firstborn Son of God” of the human being flesh kind, cause the first son of God died in the fall, spiritually, and cannot be a son of God in that flesh named Adam: but He is come with a New Name, and the Spirit of that New Man Flesh is the Eternal Living Spirit/Christ.
He is still in that body of flesh, forever.
Revelation 19.

Jesus commended His Spirit to the Father, and His soul departed His New Man flesh, and descended to Sheol below, to proclaim to the captives held there that the Atonement was finished, and to give all the sins of Adam, of every soul ever to be born in Adam, or had been born in Adam, “to Azazel”, the fallen chief of the formerly holy watchers who are chained there, and to whom all sin was to be ascribed in the 70th generation from Noah, as the history book of the Upright (Book of Jasher) states.
The Living Oracles committed to the namesake people of the New Man Name (“Israel” is that name, Isaiah 49) rehearsed that Day of Atonement as a living oracle of the Person and work of the Redeemer/Kinsman, Christ.
Unknowingly, the English Translators wrongly, in ignorant error, translated Azazel as “scapegoat”.
Jesus made the Announcement in Sheol to those righteous souls held captive there, waiting in comfort for the Day of Atonement fulfillment promised in Genesis 3:15, took Death captive, and rose from Sheol, taking up His own body again, in which He lives forever as the Everlasting Father of the New Creation. He is the Everlasting Father of His adopted sons, adopted out of the Adam, in whose dead spirit we were born orphans to the Father, dead to the Father’s glory, and dead to the Son ship we lost in the fall.
Jesus said in John 14:18 that He would not leave us orphans, He would come to us.
By being born again into His One Living Spirit, we have Him as or Everlasting Father of the human being kind.
That is called the adoption of the Spirit, and being the adopted sons of God in the Living Spirit, we earnestly wait to be clothed with the New Man Creation human being body, which is the Adoption of the body, at the change, for the Glory.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Gal 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will...


And Bob, as to the judgment of the righteous at the time of the Awards ceremony, after the resurrection of the righteous and rapture of the living saints, there will be no unrighteousness, unredeemed bodies of persons/souls standing there that Day...

The wicked will not rise with the righteous.
The two resurrections of the bodies of the dead in Christ and the dead never in Christ and the judgments are separated by a thousand years.
And, in the millennial reign, there won’t even be any wicked dead who die for their sins committed in the millennial reign buried in the earth, for they will be cast alive in their bodies into the 2nd death, which is the Lake of Fire.
The earth shall no more cover her dead after Jesus sets up His glorious kingdom of God on earth, for the Millennial reign.



So, we who are in Christ are confident in our Hope of Glory, and await the change of our bodies, and joyfully anticipate the awards ceremony before the glorious Everlasting Father of us, Yeshua, our Messiah/Christ, our Everlasting Father.

 

[The Liturgist]

There are two bodies in 2 Cor 5:1-9. 1 Cor 15 says we get that second body at the second coming.

The state of 1Thess 4:13-18 where the "dead in Christ" have - in Paul's Words "fallen asleep" is the "unclothed" state of 2Cor 5:1-6 where we do not have the decaying body of Earth and do not yet have the resurrected body of 1Cor 15 that we get at the 2nd coming.

Indeed, that is not disputed. What lacks scriptural support, and indeed is contrary to the scriptures, is the doctrine of soul sleep, for at the Transfiguration, blessed Moses was present, despite having reposed in the Lord. If it had only been St. Elias or the holy patriarch Enoch, who like the Theotokos, were assumed bodily, in the case of Elias, before death, on a chariot of fire, this would be a different matter. However, as Christ Himself says in the Gospel according to Mark, our God is a God of the Living, and the experience of the Church is that those who have reposed are truly alive in Heaven awaiting the resurrection of the flesh, existing pneumatically in the manner of the angels.

 

[Davy]

So Jesus got it wrong about his body being flesh and bones?

I think not.

The "spiritual body" looks like flesh, can eat the food of this world like a flesh body, feels like flesh, but it isn't the same flesh body of this world. We learned this early in Scripture like Genesis 18 when Jesus and the two angels He sent to Lot appeared to Abraham, and Abraham prepared for them food and drink. And the sodomites in Sodom and Gomorrah saw the two angels sent to Lot as 'men'. Even Paul in Hebrews 13 said to be mindful to entertain angels, because some have entertained angels and didn't know it.

So like Jesus said, His resurrected body was not a ghost body.

 

[Davy]

Bob, this thread is “why the body”, and my posts are attempting to show why the body; the glorious reason we were created in the image of God, which is the very image Adam was made flesh in and in which same image God the Word is come in flesh in, but without sin, which Adam flesh is corrupted by, and the very exact “typos/type” of flesh that Adam was created in was the same flesh Adam was set in Paradise in, and had fellowship with the Word in, and was cast out of Paradise in the third heaven in, so that he would not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in the defiled body in, in everlasting state of “death” of spirit in, which would make him only fit to be a never dying worm cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death.
It is not annihilation, ever. To perish is not to never be in existence, but to never be in a state of being that is the created purpose of our being. That is the 2nd death.
Jesus came to ransom us back, so that we could be His adopted sons in the New Man Living Spirit, flesh, and Name.

Adam died the first death the moment his flesh was defiled.
That death made Adam defiled for the Glory, unable to be transfigured after his millennial day to the Glory of the sons of God who were created to build the temple not made with hands, in the heavens.
When Adam died the first death of separation from the Glory, his body could have lived in the state of eternal Death and been cast into the Lake of Fire as unfit forever. That is the second death.
The Word of God says so.
Jesus tasted Death for every human being on the cross, for whosoever will receive Him, so as to be Alive in Him forever as an adopted son of God (male and female human being persons are sons of God, in Scripture).
When Jesus cried out, “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me”!, that was the moment of separation from the Father that Jesus tasted for us, as a second creation flesh brother to the Adam, the Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam creation.

God the Word is come, clothed with that flesh as a garment of Salvation (Isaiah 59 says YHWH donned the Garment of Salvation to be our Kinsman/Redeemer), and that flesh is the only created flesh brother to the Adam, the “only begotten Firstborn Son of God” of the human being flesh kind, cause the first son of God died in the fall, spiritually, and cannot be a son of God in that flesh named Adam: but He is come with a New Name, and the Spirit of that New Man Flesh is the Eternal Living Spirit/Christ.
He is still in that body of flesh, forever.
Revelation 19.

Jesus commended His Spirit to the Father, and His soul departed His New Man flesh, and descended to Sheol below, to proclaim to the captives held there that the Atonement was finished, and to give all the sins of Adam, of every soul ever to be born in Adam, or had been born in Adam, “to Azazel”, the fallen chief of the formerly holy watchers who are chained there, and to whom all sin was to be ascribed in the 70th generation from Noah, as the history book of the Upright (Book of Jasher) states.
The Living Oracles committed to the namesake people of the New Man Name (“Israel” is that name, Isaiah 49) rehearsed that Day of Atonement as a living oracle of the Person and work of the Redeemer/Kinsman, Christ.
Unknowingly, the English Translators wrongly, in ignorant error, translated Azazel as “scapegoat”.
Jesus made the Announcement in Sheol to those righteous souls held captive there, waiting in comfort for the Day of Atonement fulfillment promised in Genesis 3:15, took Death captive, and rose from Sheol, taking up His own body again, in which He lives forever as the Everlasting Father of the New Creation. He is the Everlasting Father of His adopted sons, adopted out of the Adam, in whose dead spirit we were born orphans to the Father, dead to the Father’s glory, and dead to the Son ship we lost in the fall.
Jesus said in John 14:18 that He would not leave us orphans, He would come to us.
By being born again into His One Living Spirit, we have Him as or Everlasting Father of the human being kind.
That is called the adoption of the Spirit, and being the adopted sons of God in the Living Spirit, we earnestly wait to be clothed with the New Man Creation human being body, which is the Adoption of the body, at the change, for the Glory.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Gal 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will...


And Bob, as to the judgment of the righteous at the time of the Awards ceremony, after the resurrection of the righteous and rapture of the living saints, there will be no unrighteousness, unredeemed bodies of persons/souls standing there that Day...

The wicked will not rise with the righteous.
The two resurrections of the bodies of the dead in Christ and the dead never in Christ and the judgments are separated by a thousand years.
And, in the millennial reign, there won’t even be any wicked dead who die for their sins committed in the millennial reign buried in the earth, for they will be cast alive in their bodies into the 2nd death, which is the Lake of Fire.
The earth shall no more cover her dead after Jesus sets up His glorious kingdom of God on earth, for the Millennial reign.



So, we who are in Christ are confident in our Hope of Glory, and await the change of our bodies, and joyfully anticipate the awards ceremony before the glorious Everlasting Father of us, Yeshua, our Messiah/Christ, our Everlasting Father.

There is no Salvation of the flesh. Jesus didn't promise to save our flesh.

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV


A belief in Salvation of our flesh is heresy.

 

[disciple Clint]

There is no Salvation of the flesh. Jesus didn't promise to save our flesh.

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV


A belief in Salvation of our flesh is heresy.

Just sharing a thought, if someone does not believe the same things that you believe it is not heresy. Heresy is a term that should not be overused and has specific applications.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There is no Salvation of the flesh. Jesus didn't promise to save our flesh.

You seem to be a bit confused.
Adam, in his flesh body was in Paradise, in Mount Eden, in the third heaven, in fellowship with God the Word, with access to the Tree of Life, there.

Adam was driven out of Paradise, cast down out of Paradise, and the Cherubim with flaming swords guarded the entry back, "lest Adam eat of the tree of Life there, and live forever", IN DEFILED FLESH, and be only fit for the Casting into the Lake of Fire, then, soul in body, which is the 2nd death.

Adam's flesh body was made in the exact "tselem/image" of God the Word, who was to come in the very, exact human being flesh like the Adam flesh, but without sin.
Genesis 1:26 -28; Romans 5:14.

YHWH, in the Person of God the Word, put on the 2nd creation human being flesh body to be the promised Redeemer/Kinsman in that flesh for the redemption of the bodies of the souls of the flesh of the Adam spirit.

The redeemed souls are cleansed of Sin by the Blood of the once for all Atonement for "whosoever will", of the Adam race.

Entering into and coming under the Blood Covenant of the Kinsman/Redeemer, the cleansed souls are adopted into the Living Spirit, and await the Hope of Glory, which is the adoption of the body of them at the resurrection of it or at the rapture of it, if alive in it at that day.

The changed body of us who are under the covenant of Blood will look exactly like the Adam flesh body did, before the fall, but absent of the curse of corruption, death, or sin, because that is exactly what the body which the Holy Spirit created in the womb of the virgin for YHWH, in the person of the WORD, to put on to be our Kinsman/Redeemer.
Read it in Isaiah 59, Revelation 19, Genesis 1:26-28.

And Job, being fully aware of the writings of Enoch, and fully believing in the resurrection of his own body, declared that:

Job, 19: 25 -27
For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth
And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,
Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me! [B/]

But: what would the glorified human being flesh body of Adam have looked like if he had come to the fullness of his millennial day, and been transformed to receive that glory?
That, we did not see, but Enoch received it, and our LORD Jesus Christ recrived it in His resurrected flesh body, and we are promised it.
That is the Hope" we are waiting for!

 

[Clare73]

The "spiritual body" looks like flesh, can eat the food of this world like a flesh body, feels like flesh, but it isn't the same flesh body of this world. We learned this early in Scripture like Genesis 18 when Jesus and the two angels He sent to Lot appeared to Abraham, and Abraham prepared for them food and drink. And the sodomites in Sodom and Gomorrah saw the two angels sent to Lot as 'men'. Even Paul in Hebrews 13 said to be mindful to entertain angels, because some have entertained angels and didn't know it.

So like Jesus said, His resurrected body was not a ghost body.

I suspect it will be able to de-materialize and pass through matter (walls) and re-materialize, as we see Jesus' doing after the resurrection.

 

[Clare73]

You seem to be a bit confused.
Adam, in his flesh body was in Paradise, in Mount Eden, in the third heaven, in fellowship with God the Word, with access to the Tree of Life, there.

Adam was driven out of Paradise, cast down out of Paradise, and the Cherubim with flaming swords guarded the entry back, "lest Adam eat of the tree of Life there, and live forever", IN DEFILED FLESH, and be only fit for the Casting into the Lake of Fire, then, soul in body, which is the 2nd death.

Adam's flesh body was made in the exact "tselem/image" of God the Word, who was to come in the very, exact human being flesh like the Adam flesh, but without sin.
Genesis 1:26 -28; Romans 5:14.

Ro 5:14 - "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come."

Actually, Ro 5:14 says Adam was the pattern (figure) for Jesus, not that Jesus was the pattern (figure) for Adam

YHWH, in the Person of God the Word, put on the 2nd creation human being flesh body to be the promised Redeemer/Kinsman in that flesh for the redemption of the bodies of the souls of the flesh of the Adam spirit.

The redeemed souls are cleansed of Sin by the Blood of the once for all Atonement for "whosoever will", of the Adam race.

Entering into and coming under the Blood Covenant of the Kinsman/Redeemer, the cleansed souls are adopted into the Living Spirit, and await the Hope of Glory, which is the adoption of the body of them at the resurrection of it or at the rapture of it, if alive in it at that day.

The changed body of us who are under the covenant of Blood will look exactly like the Adam flesh body did, before the fall, but absent of the curse of corruption, death, or sin, because that is exactly what the body which the Holy Spirit created in the womb of the virgin for YHWH, in the person of the WORD, to put on to be our Kinsman/Redeemer.
Read it in Isaiah 59, Revelation 19, Genesis 1:26-28.

And Job, being fully aware of the writings of Enoch, and fully believing in the resurrection of his own body, declared that:

Job, 19: 25 -27
For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth
And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,
Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me! [B/]

But: what would the glorified human being flesh body of Adam have looked like if he had come to the fullness of his millennial day, and been transformed to receive that glory?
That, we did not see, but Enoch received it, and our LORD Jesus Christ recrived it in His resurrected flesh body, and we are promised it.
That is the Hope" we are waiting for!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Ro 5:14 - "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come."

Actually, Ro 5:14 says Adam was the pattern (figure) for Jesus, not that Jesus was the pattern (figure) for Adam

No, it says exactly that Adam (the flesh body) was made in the exact “image”, that is the “tselem”, a “tupos” of Him who was to come.

And God said, Let us make man/Adam in our “image/tselem”, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27
So God created man/Adam in his own image/tselem, in the image/tselem of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Romans 5:14 says Adam is [was formed, bodily, in the exact image, as a typos of]
the figure/typos of Him [Messiah] who was to come.

†τύπος týpos, too'-pos; from G5180; a die (as struck), i.e. (by implication) a stamp or scar; by analogy, a shape, i.e. a statue, (figuratively) style or resemblance; specially, a sampler ("type"), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning):—en-(ex-)ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.


Jesus body is made exactly like the Adam body was, and Adam was made exactly like the flesh body of God the Word, who was to come and is come, is made.[/B]

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I suspect it will be able to de-materialize and pass through matter (walls) and re-materialize, as we see Jesus' doing after the resurrection.

We see Jesus doing that before the resurrection.
He walked on water, passed through a crowd unseen..
Stepped into a boat and the boat and 12 disciples instantly without any lapse of time, appeared from the middle of the lake to the shore, about 4 miles distant (I think). 13 of them and a boat were translated instantly from the middle of the lake to the shore.
We read that John did that in Revelation 4. He went to heaven, was shown things to come, and came back and reported it.
Paul did that, in 11 Cor 7. He went to Paradise in the third heaven, as he wrote about.
Peter did that, getting out of prison by an angel waking him up and he walked out of the prison. Other disciples of Bible times and after and since have done that.
It is all over the Word and all over in Church history...if one reads history.
Enoch traveled to the heavens and saw everything and read all the tablets written there, about the things to come...

We read that Phillip the evangelist did that in Acts 8.

We see Elijah doing that, several times.

In the OT, many times we read of the prophets traveling from one place to another by the Spirit, sometimes in the body, sometimes in spirit.

I know of family members who were taken immediately out of the path of certain death to safety, without time lapsing.
A daughter and another daughter’s husband, and another instance of a daughter are remarkable ones I remember....but there were others.
Traveling from one place to another in the flesh body and also in the spirit is and has been done in the Word and in the age of the Gospel since the beginning.

 

[Clare73]

We see Jesus doing that before the resurrection.
He walked on water, passed through a crowd unseen..
Stepped into a boat and the boat and 12 disciples instantly without any lapse of time, appeared from the middle of the lake to the shore, about 4 miles distant (I think). 13 of them and a boat were translated instantly from the middle of the lake to the shore.
We read that John did that in Revelation 4. He went to heaven, was shown things to come, and came back and reported it.
Paul did that, in 11 Cor 7. He went to Paradise in the third heaven, as he wrote about.
Peter did that, getting out of prison by an angel waking him up and he walked out of the prison. Other disciples of Bible times and after and since have done that.
It is all over the Word and all over in Church history...if one reads history.
Enoch traveled to the heavens and saw everything and read all the tablets written there, about the things to come...

We read that Phillip the evangelist did that in Acts 8.

We see Elijah doing that, several times.

In the OT, many times we read of the prophets traveling from one place to another by the Spirit, sometimes in the body, sometimes in spirit.

However, the above occurrences were not the normal order, they were beyond the normal order.

I suspect that our materialization/dematerialization of our resurrection bodies will be the normal order.

I know of family members who were taken immediately out of the path of certain death to safety, without time lapsing.
A daughter and another daughter’s husband, and another instance of a daughter are remarkable ones I remember....but there were others.
Traveling from one place to another in the flesh body and also in the spirit is and has been done in the Word and in the age of the Gospel since the beginning.

Wow!

 

[Clare73]

No, it says exactly that Adam (the flesh body) was made in the exact “image”, that is the “tselem”, a “tupos” of Him who was to come.

Wow! just Wow! That is a complete distortion of the text. Wow!

And God said, Let us make man/Adam in our “image/tselem”, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27

So God created man/Adam in his own image/tselem, in the image/tselem of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Since God is without physical body, there was no physical body in heaven as a type, the Son of God's physical body did not exist until it was created in the womb of Mary, and its pattern was Adam, the one and only pattern for all physical human bodies, including that of Jesus of Nazareth.

The meaning of his "image" is given in the NT: righteousness, holiness and knowledge of him (Ephesians 4:24; Colossians 3:10).
Adam was created in righteousness, holiness and knowledge of God. . .until he lost it.

Romans 5:14 says Adam is [was formed, bodily, in the exact image, as a typos of]
the figure/typos of Him [Messiah] who was to come.

No, the English is, "Adam was a figure (pattern, type) of the one to come."
The English means Christ was patterned on Adam.

†τύπος týpos, too'-pos; from G5180; a die (as struck), i.e. (by implication) a stamp or scar; by analogy, a shape, i.e. a statue, (figuratively) style or resemblance; specially, a sampler ("type"), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning):—en-(ex-)ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.
Jesus body is made exactly like the Adam body was, and Adam was made exactly like the flesh body of God the Word, who was to come and is come, is made.

Not according to the English.

The flesh body of the Son of God, the Word who is God, did not exist until it was created in the womb of Mary.

That is some serious distorting of the plain text.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Wow! just Wow! That is a complete distortion of the text. Wow!

Since God is without physical body, there was no physical body in heaven as a type, the Son of God's physical body did not exist until it was created in the womb of Mary, and its pattern was Adam...

The flesh body of the Son of God, the Word who is God, did not exist until it was created in the womb of Mary.

That is some serious distorting of the plain text.

Sorry, but you apparently did not read my posts and your response is totally off from what I wrote.
God the Word fellowshipped with Adam in the Garden in the cool of the evening.
That fellowship was with God.

So, you err in your post saying that God did not form the physical body of Adam as the very “tselem” of Him. Note that God has only One Image/Tselem, and that One is God the Word, and Adam was formed, bodily, in that very same “image”. Adam was physically formed to look like the image of God the Word.

No, His body of human flesh that He put on like a garment was not yet put on, and not yet formed in the womb of the virgin until the incarnation, but that image was always one and the same. It did not change, and the body is very much a sanctuary for the Father to indwell, but Adam lost that.

The New Man, Israel, YHWH the WORD, come in 2nd creation flesh, shed His blood as our Redeemer/Kinsman so that we could be cleansed in soul, adopted in Spirit, and adopted in flesh.

Our regenerated flesh will look exactly like us, but without sin, no corruption, no death.
Than the Glory is put on it.


In Romans 5:15, the word used is the same word used for the images used by printing presses which are coated with ink and printed, of themselves, and also, to carved images that can be stamped in clay to imprint exactly the form of carved image.
I gave the Strong’s definition and you said it was not what the English said. That is somehow trying to change the meaning, by yourself.

Also, The Romans 5:14 passage states that Adam was the very “tupos of Him who was to come.
How can you miss that?

Also, when God appeared in His image to the 70 elders of Israel + 4 more, on Mount Sinai, it was His “tselem”, and actual image...they saw.
Explain that.

Also, in Ezekiel 1, God looked like an Adam, in glory, when Ezekiel saw Him on His throne. Explain that.


When Isaiah went to heaven He saw YHWH on His throne, when His train (glory of the garment) filled the temple. In John 12, John said Isaiah saw Jesus at that time. Explain that.

Exodus 24:9-11
Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Eze 1:25 -28
And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of ADAM above upon it.

And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD2828. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

Isaiah 6:1
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

John 12:37 -41
But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.