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They had been meeting on that day for years prior to the death and resurrection of the Lord.
There are persons who,although sticking to Sunday as their main day of assembling, claim that each man must be persuaded in his own mind as to which day he should use for the assembling of the Church/worship. This is based on Paul's letter to the Romans, when Paul in the 14th chapter sought to mediate concerning some disputes in the Church.
One concerned those who wanted to be vegetarians and those who knew it was acceptable for one to eat of animal flesh. The other dispute involved the choice of days for some purpose which was not mentioned. This could not be referring to the day of assembling for the Church, however, as if every man should choose his own day then the aim, of not forsaking the assembling of the brethren together, would be defeated, as some may choose Sunday, Monday or Wednesday.
The Pastor or Leader could not tell a brother or sister when to assemble together for every one must be fully persuaded in their own mind. [Romans 14: 1-6, 21; Hebrews 10: 24, 25; Ephesians 4: 11-16].
But many do not realise also that Paul referred the Romans to the scriptures written aforetime to solve this problem if they would not accept his word. [Romans 15: 4] This is the law and prophets, and they clearly endorse the Sabbath as the day of assembling. [Leviticus 23: 3] This day was not esteemed by man but by God as He called it His holy day. [Isaiah 58: 13; Exodus 31: 15; 20: 10]
Hence the day or days being disputed, [Romans 14: 5, 6] is most likely a day set aside by the individual for personal devotion to the Lord,probably for prayer and fasting. A proper fasting would almost be like a Sabbath day, but Paul is saying this need not be done on any special day, nor should someone else tell another when they are to engage in such activity, but they will do so as necessary or as led by the Lord. [Isaiah 58:1-7; I Corinthian 7: 5; Matthew 9:14,15]
Invariably however, those who use this scripture in this deceitful manner, are for the main among those who support Sunday as the Lord's day.
The topic of the Feast of firstfruit can be a little confusing for many because there are actually two harvest Feasts and sometime they have been referred to by the same name so this can get a little confusing. What your referring to above is the 2nd harvest feast while missing the first but lets give some background and of course provide the scriptures so this discussion may be a helpful and friendly one.
Finally there is no scripture that says Jesus had to be a full literal 72 hours in the grave that interpretation is reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say. That is also not how Hebrew reckoning of a day works. There are many scripture examples of "part days" being referred to as "a day".
In Matthew 12:40 for example “three days and nights” is considered to be Hebrew figure of speech referring to any part of three days and nights. This is quite a common practice used within the scriptures.
For example in Esther 4:16; Esther 5:1 “three days and three nights” does not mean 72 hours. For, although they fasted three days and nights (4:16) between the time they started and the time she appeared before the king, the passage states that Esther appeared before the king “on the third day” (5:1). If they began on Friday, then the third day would be Sunday. Hence, “three days and nights” must mean any part of three days and nights.
Also you may want to consider Jesus used the phrase “on the third day” to describe the time of His resurrection after His crucifixion (Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; cf. 26:61). But, “on the third day” cannot mean “after three days” which 72 hours demands. On the other hand, the phrase “on the third day” or “three days and nights” can be understood to mean within three days and nights. If you follow the timings through Jesus perfectly fulfilled the prophecy as he died on Nissan 14, rested in the grave on Nissan 15 and rose sometime on Nissan 16 (first day of the week).
I would only add that there is no directive from God to "gather" in a Temple made of wood and stone, on any day. Israel didn't "Gather" in the cloth Temple which housed the Book of the Law and the Mercy Seat. In fact, only Levites were allowed past the Door of the tabernacle.
The OP you started here was right on.
I agree,as long as we do assemble as the scriptures implore with the Sabbath being a day for holy convocation and as Paul advises and practiced.(Hebrews 10:25;Acts 16:13)
Not sure this is directed to me as I did not start this discussion.
My bad, I was referring to your post #158. I'm kinda late to this party. :^)
Yes, fellowship is essential, I am grateful to God for my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Ecc. 4:9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.
10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.
11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?
12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
Heb. 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Paul also said;
2 Cor. 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Glad to assemble with you :^)
Why would the NT have to be junked? It contains no error.There is no verse that says it exactly that way, but the same information is clearly there. Sabbatarians merely want to say that the OT verse is the final and only word on the subject. If that were so, much of the rest of the NT would have to be junked on the same basis.
The statement in Matthew 12:40,was not three days and nights but a precise three days and three nights.Jesus himself determined by His statement in John 11:9,the consideration of a 24 hour day. Esther's statement does not say this and is not the same.There is no reading into scripture here.
It is also possible for the Sabbath afternoon of His resurrection to be the third day if we exclude the day(wednesday)of His crucifixion.
Apart from this,one thing is certain;there is no scripture which describes Jesus as being raised on the first day.All descriptions show an empty tomb at the arrival of the disciples and your reckoning ignores the Sabbaths of different administration during the crucifixion and resurrection period.
If it were thought by Sabbatarians to contain no error, they could not also decide their day of worship on the basis of the Old Testament exclusively, while disregarding the information that is in the New Testament. It authorizes Christians to make "the Lord's Day" the principle day of worship.Why would the NT have to be junked? It contains no error.
Would love to see scripture anywhere in the Bible that says Sunday is the Lords day. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.If it were thought by Sabbatarians to contain no error, they could not also decide their day of worship on the basis of the Old Testament exclusively, while disregarding the information that is in the New Testament. It authorizes Christians to make "the Lord's Day" the principle day of worship.
Would love to see scripture anywhere in the Bible that says Sunday is the Lords day. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.
I think it’s important to let God decide which day He deemed His Holy Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11Hi. In my experience, both here on CF and elsewhere, every SDA who invites a discussion about this topic already knows the verse(s) that the Christians who worship on Sunday refer to, and they're waiting with a prepared rebuttal when such people do refer to them.
So I do not care to go around that mulberry bush once again here to no conclusion, knowing that there's no hope of actually getting a fair hearing from the other side. However, I did go so far as to answer your question about the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Thanks for your thoughts. For me I disagree, as none of those scriptures state anywhere dear friend that Jesus was to be a literal full three days (72 hrs) in the grave. In Matthew 12:40 for example “three days and nights” is considered to be Hebrew figure of speech referring to any part of three days and nights. This is quite a common practice used within the scriptures.
For example in Esther 4:16; Esther 5:1 “three days and three nights” does not mean 72 hours. For, although they fasted three days and nights (4:16) between the time they started and the time she appeared before the king, the passage states that Esther appeared before the king “on the third day” (5:1). If they began on Friday, then the third day would be Sunday. Hence, “three days and nights” must mean any part of three days and nights.
Also you may want to consider Jesus used the phrase “on the third day” to describe the time of His resurrection after His crucifixion (Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; cf. 26:61). But, “on the third day” cannot mean “after three days” which 72 hours demands. On the other hand, the phrase “on the third day” or “three days and nights” can be understood to mean within three days and nights. If you follow the timings through Jesus perfectly fulfilled the prophecy as he died on Nissan 14, rested in the grave on Nissan 15 and rose sometime on Nissan 16 (first day of the week).
Blessings.
If it were thought by Sabbatarians to contain no error, they could not also decide their day of worship on the basis of the Old Testament exclusively, while disregarding the information that is in the New Testament. It authorizes Christians to make "the Lord's Day" the principle day of worship.
Hi. In my experience, both here on CF and elsewhere, every SDA who invites a discussion about this topic already knows the verse(s) that the Christians who worship on Sunday refer to, and they're waiting with a prepared rebuttal when such people do refer to them.
So I do not care to go around that mulberry bush once again here to no conclusion, knowing that there's no hope of actually getting a fair hearing from the other side. However, I did go so far as to answer your question about the Old Testament and the New Testament.
It's already been presented, my friend. Several times.No one here will prevent you from presenting your case and so your claim to not getting a fair hearing would not apply here.
Actually no you didn't. All you said was that you disagreed with the scriptures shared with you, that is why I provided the scriptures showing that 3 days and 3 nights does not have to be a literal 72 hours in the Hebrew scriptures. A literal 72 hours is disagrees with the bible and the prophetic timings of the feast days and also does not agree with Jesus himself in that he will rise “on the third day” to describe the time of His resurrection after His crucifixion in Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 26:61. A literal 72 hour view disagrees with the scriptures and is reading into the scripture what the scripture does not say or teach and is not biblical. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. I have only shared with you what I believe from the scriptures and why and how they link to the feast days.I have addressed your comments in the post you are responding to.To correct you again;Jesus did not say,"three days and nights".He said,"three days and three nights".Also in Esther the statement was,"three days and nights",and not what you state above.They are not the same.
You can only come to the conclusion that Jesus rose from the dead on the first day by ignoring the fact that there is no scripture which says this and also by ignoring the circumstances of the crucifixion week.
If it were thought by Sabbatarians to contain no error, they could not also decide their day of worship on the basis of the Old Testament exclusively, while disregarding the information that is in the New Testament. It authorizes Christians to make "the Lord's Day" the principle day of worship.
Do you think that the commandments are all that is contained in the Bible? That's the way the SDA response almost always goes, yet most of what any denomination teaches and considers essential for the members to believe is not a matter of the 10 Commandments.Hmmm what? Is stealing, lying, murder, adultery using Gods' name in vain, making and worshiping idols, breaking God's Sabbath etc etc.. all permissible under the new covenant now in your view?
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