A Paradoxical Heavenly Quandary

[juvenissun]

You know, it's entirely possible the problem is on my end and I'm just not getting what you're saying.

For me, if I were in some world where my body couldn't be damaged and I cannot die....why not shoot heroin? What's the downside? There's no brain damage, no withdrawal, no risk of death. You don't need to worry about becoming addicted and losing 10 years of your life to it.

For me at least, you take away death and bodily harm...and it opens a whole floodgate of stuff that most would call sins that I'd never do.

Yes, very true. You just described the spiritual situation which is everywhere outside the Heaven.

Imaging if you could do those, then others could do those too. The immortal you still do not have any advantage in that "society".

 

[juvenissun]

So...you think in these "renewed" bodies we would no longer want pre-marital sex....because we won't die?

No physical sex in the Heaven. Sex is God's gift to human on the earth.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

So here's a question that's bound to lead to more questions... but let's start here.

Another Christian poster on another thread mentioned that we are all born with a sinful nature. That we all have sinful desires and it's upon us not to act upon them.

This begs the question then, of what happens when one of us reaches heaven? Do we get to commit all those sins that are part of our nature? This would seem odd.

Even more odd would be other possibilities...does god mutilate our souls? Does he "make" us no longer sinful? If so, what was the point of making us sinful to begin with? Even more disturbing would be the question of would that person destroyed of their "sinfulness" still really be a person? I think not...but I'd love to read the responses of any christians with any thoughts on this.

Here my take: Because we are born into these flesh bodies, we are veiled from the full spectrum of energies that constitute reality. Because of this we are free to "paint" what ever we like in that gap. This is where sin arises.

When we die, the veil is removed and we see quite clearly the errors we have accumulated.

Sin in like a bad painting, heaven is like acetone.

Sin is like bad reflections, heaven removes the mirror.

The only reason we are capable of sin is because there is room for it. No room, no sin.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

No physical sex in the Heaven. Sex is God's gift to human on the earth.

Well, strictly speaking, there's no bible verse to say there's no sex in heaven. Just no marriage. It's implied . . . one suspects that is what is meant . . . but its not definately stated.

 

[Albion]

Well, strictly speaking, there's no bible verse to say there's no sex in heaven. Just no marriage.

So...in Heaven you actually CAN have the milk without buying the cow. Maybe that's why it's heaven.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Here my take: Because we are born into these flesh bodies, we are veiled from the full spectrum of energies that constitute reality. Because of this we are free to "paint" what ever we like in that gap. This is where sin arises.

When we die, the veil is removed and we see quite clearly the errors we have accumulated.

Sin in like a bad painting, heaven is like acetone.

Sin is like bad reflections, heaven removes the mirror.

The only reason we are capable of sin is because there is room for it. No room, no sin.

Gotcha... no choice.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Gotcha... no choice.

We have many choices: To paint what ever we wish on the inside of our ego shells, what ever beliefs strikes our fear or fancy. But the purpose of life is not to believe but to grow.

The sprouted soul leaves behind it's birth shell. I don't need to create anymore beliefs once I have been reborn by water (which also washes away falsehood) and I am growing in Truth. After that is the choice to grow in what ever direction...the point is to grow outwards in all directions in a manner that does not cross your branches and cause catastrophic collapse later. The purpose of life is to bear the fruits of spirit and hold dominion over the darkness.


Thank God after death there is an unveiling of the clouded mind or else we would never, ever be able to self extricate out of error. Not in all of eternity. That would be true hell.

 

[Ana the Ist]

We have many choices: To paint what ever we wish on the inside of our ego shells, what ever beliefs strikes our fear or fancy. But the purpose of life is not to believe but to grow.

The sprouted soul leaves behind it's birth shell. I don't need to create anymore beliefs once I have been reborn by water (which also washes away falsehood) and I am growing in Truth.


Thank God after death there is an unveiling of the clouded mind or else we would never, ever be able to self extricate out of error. Not in all of eternity. That would be true hell.

Doesn't one grow in making errors?

Perhaps it's just me, but I've always felt disdain towards those who live sheltered lives...far from any real consequences of their actions. It always felt like they were less than human.

 

[Smidlee]

Gotcha... no choice.

You can choose the red pill or the blue one.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So...in Heaven you actually CAN have the milk without buying the cow. Maybe that's why it's heaven.

If there's no sex . . . and as I said earlier, we cannot be sure either way. . . then there will be something else we take as great or greater pleasure in.

 

[rick357]

If there's no sex . . . and as I said earlier, we cannot be sure either way. . . then there will be something else we take as great or greater pleasure in.

The glory of God comes to mind....if every peace..love..satisfaction...and happiness feeling you had ever had was multiplied by infinity in you....you would not desire anything other than to remain...IMO

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

If there's no sex . . . and as I said earlier, we cannot be sure either way. . . then there will be something else we take as great or greater pleasure in.

Perhaps we'll be able to do in energetic bodies what we are trying to do in physical form which is the merger of two bodies as one.

In physical form we cannot co-occupy the same space. Perhaps in heaven we can, not only directly share bodies, but minds and souls. Imagine being able to communicate at the most intimate soul to soul level....with anyone.

Sex will be direct communion.


Why do you think the church of believers from all nations tongues and tribes (spiritual Israel) is called the bride of Christ? What do you think the consummation of that marriage is like?

 

[rick357]

Perhaps we'll be able to do in energetic bodies what we are trying to do in physical form which is the merger of two bodies as one.

In physical form we cannot co-occupy the same space. Perhaps in heaven we can, not only directly share bodies, but minds and souls. Imagine being able to communicate at the most intimate soul to soul level....with anyone.

Sex will be direct communion.

Why do you think the church of believers from all nations tongues and tribes (spiritual Israel) is called the bride of Christ? What do you think the consummation of that marriage is like?

Jesus has told us this in scripture we will be one with him the Father and each other...what we have now is a trust untill the full inheretance comes.....as to energy bodies...IDK

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Jesus has told us this in scripture we will be one with him the Father and each other...what we have now is a trust untill the full inheretance comes.....as to energy bodies...IDK

To be scientific about it: Our physical bodies are made of the lightest type of 3 stable matter densities the universe provides for. It is the most bound by universal laws. You emotional body is heavier, it outlasts the physical. This is what is weighed and judged after death. The heaviest matter is the most lasting, electromagnetic in nature, with the highest gravitas of consciousness. Angels are made of this.

This is what our indestructible (resurrected) body would be made out of. It is upright and capable of universe wide travel. In contrast, our physical and emotional bodies are concerned primarily with horizontal things.

 

[RDKirk]

I think I get what you're saying...it's just a bit silly to me, and I mean no offense so please don't take any.

It's just if I'm some flesh less spirit floating around and I cannot see, hear, taste, feel, smell...that doesn't sound much like heaven to me. It sounds like hell.

I think that's what hell actually will be.

But scripture is pretty clear that the state of humans saved to eternal life will be spirits in a material body. It might be Superman's body, but it will be a material body.

 

[RDKirk]

I get what he's saying...it just sounds silly to me. It would seem to me that if I were undying, immortal, I would actually indulge in far worse things than I have already. Why not? The consequences of some of.the worst things I could do to my body really only exist because of a lack of time.

See what I'm saying?

If you had infinity to play with and the universe to travel, do you really think your current pursuits would still captivate your interests?

"I've known adventures, seen places you people will never see, I've been Offworld and back... frontiers! I've stood on the back deck of a blinker bound for the Plutition Camps with sweat in my eyes watching the stars fight on the shoulder of Orion...I've felt wind in my hair, riding test boats off the black galaxies and seen an attack fleet burn like a match and disappear. I've seen it, felt it...!" -- Roy Baty

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think sin will be any less possible in the future state than it was in the previous state, characterized by Adam and Eve in Eden.

The difference will be that we will have the knowledge of good and evil--particularly the consequences of evil--that Adam and Eve did not have.

But knowing the consequences, and having gained that knowledge by a very tough lesson that will stick to us for eternity, the response to any future conception of evil will be, "Oh, hell, no!"

But I also agree that the state of immortality and I presume a freedom to travel the universe will take away much of the current slavery to the flesh that is the driving factor of most of what we recognize as sin.

 

[rick357]

To be scientific about it: Our physical bodies are made of the lightest type of 3 stable matter densities the universe provides for. It is the most bound by universal laws. You emotional body is heavier, it outlasts the physical. This is what is weighed and judged after death. The heaviest matter is the most lasting, electromagnetic in nature, with the highest gravitas of consciousness. Angels are made of this.

This is what our indestructible (resurrected) body would be made out of. It is upright and capable of universe wide travel. In contrast, our physical and emotional bodies are concerned primarily with horizontal things.

Jesus was definutly differant when he resurrected but his body was still able to eat and be touched ect he is our first fruit.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Jesus was definutly differant when he resurrected but his body was still able to eat and be touched ect he is our first fruit.

In consideration of his transfiguration at the Mount of Olives, it appears he achieved that body well before the crucifixion.

 

[rick357]

In consideration of his transfiguration at the Mount of Olives, it appears he achieved that body well before the crucifixion.

The transfiguration was a matter of the Fathers reflected glory...as Moses face when he came down from Sinai