A new CF, an old vision (4)

[Harpuia]

For those in debate however, this is a great opportunity:

It's an opportunity to finally debate with a level head. Back to the days when the most fundamentalist of Christians and the most radical of atheists could sit down, have a cup of coffee and talk about worldly matters after a seriously heated debate.

I never have been around for those days, but I heard they were great...

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Am not interested in all the hubris and superior arrogance or invective crap in this thread. I want to know what will happen to forums such as spiritual warfare, and the prayer request section. There *are* people out there who hate Christianity, and Christians. It's much more frequent that you realise until you step into the middle of it. So, seriously, these people join and decide that people discussing spiritual warfare is a joke and go there just because they now have carte blanche to do that; or people go into the prayer request section and advise someone depressed to just kill themelves - something which I was told happened at a certain other forum.

What then? It's easy for people to say people with little faith are in trouble, anyway, but people like that need love and support, too. Discarding them with a "Oh, well if your faith was real, you'd be fine either way..." is dreadful.

Further, believing the Bible is the inerrant Word does not equate with being politically far right and the assertion is useless rhetoric.

So, I want to know, what happens to people genuinely seeking help and someone devastates them? If it happened even once, that's too many.

 

[Cassiopeia]

Always ?
[bible]Matthew 6:3[/bible]

LOL..now let's not take things out of context. That is referring to worship not a place of dialog and this isn't a war council.

Peace,

Casi (who needs to sleep)

 

[Harpuia]

Am not interested in all the hubris and superior arrogance or invective crap in this thread. I want to know what will happen to forums such as spiritual warfare, and the prayer request section. There *are* people out there who hate Christianity, and Christians. It's much more frequent that you realise until you step into the middle of it. So, seriously, these people join and decide that people discussing spiritual warfare is a joke and go there just because they now have carte blanche to do that; or people go into the prayer request section and advise someone depressed to just kill themelves - something which I was told happened at a certain other forum.

What then? It's easy for people to say people with little faith are in trouble, anyway, but people like that need love and support, too. Discarding them with a "Oh, well if your faith was real, you'd be fine either way..." is dreadful.

Further, believing the Bible is the inerrant Word does not equate with being politically far right and the assertion is useless rhetoric.

So, I want to know, what happens to people genuinely seeking help and someone devastates them? If it happened even once, that's too many.

Me? I just bully the bullies, no matter if they're right-wing Christian or uber-crazy Satanist. You gotta take care of problems yourself sometimes.

And the second statement, deserves a rep. The problem is, 90% of right-wing Christians DON'T believe this...

 

[Alice the Sister]

Satanists aren't "uber-crazy".

 

[Cassiopeia]

Oh dear, my eyes are crossing, I haven' t posted this much on this site in over a year and I did that in just two hours. SO, I will bid you all farewell and hope you all have a beautiful Sunday.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Am not interested in all the hubris and superior arrogance or invective crap in this thread. I want to know what will happen to forums such as spiritual warfare, and the prayer request section. There *are* people out there who hate Christianity, and Christians. It's much more frequent that you realise until you step into the middle of it. So, seriously, these people join and decide that people discussing spiritual warfare is a joke and go there just because they now have carte blanche to do that; or people go into the prayer request section and advise someone depressed to just kill themelves - something which I was told happened at a certain other forum.

What then? It's easy for people to say people with little faith are in trouble, anyway, but people like that need love and support, too. Discarding them with a "Oh, well if your faith was real, you'd be fine either way..." is dreadful.

Further, believing the Bible is the inerrant Word does not equate with being politically far right and the assertion is useless rhetoric.

So, I want to know, what happens to people genuinely seeking help and someone devastates them? If it happened even once, that's too many.

huh?

 

[Harpuia]

Satanists aren't "uber-crazy".

Alice, I've seen a few out there, let me tell ya... I don't wanna walk in their shoes.

No, seriously, what I'm trying to say is, it's up to the community to protect the innocent. Self-governing communities are great if they're small, but when they get larger, it can be very very good or very very bad, and it's up to some of us to contribute to make sure it stays very very good.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

What then? It's easy for people to say people with little faith are in trouble, anyway, but people like that need love and support, too. Discarding them with a "Oh, well if your faith was real, you'd be fine either way..." is dreadful.


oh ya, that was a year long fight, what do you mean no rest for the wicked?

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Me? I just bully the bullies, no matter if they're right-wing Christian or uber-crazy Satanist. You gotta take care of problems yourself sometimes.

And the second statement, deserves a rep. The problem is, 90% of right-wing Christians DON'T believe this...

We shouldn't be bullying *anyone*. In fact the ones who are vicious need, if anything, MORE love. But frankly that's by the by.

What happens if even one person is in need of help, and they are given destructive advice, or feeling vulnerable and told to go f*ck themselves. Sub-forum democracy won't make a jot of difference.

 

[Harpuia]

We shouldn't be bullying *anyone*. In fact the ones who are vicious need, if anything, MORE love. But frankly that's by the by.

What happens if even one person is in need of help, and they are given destructive advice, or feeling vulnerable and told to go f*ck themselves. Sub-forum democracy won't make a jot of difference.

I've had that happen to me even in Christian forums where they DID have heavy moderation... so I'm not seeing your point. In fact, the only person who ever told me to go f myself was an admin of one of those Christian forums.

 

[Lisa0315]

We shouldn't be bullying *anyone*. In fact the ones who are vicious need, if anything, MORE love. But frankly that's by the by.

What happens if even one person is in need of help, and they are given destructive advice, or feeling vulnerable and told to go f*ck themselves. Sub-forum democracy won't make a jot of difference.

Has that EVER happened before? If not, why would you think that it would start now, for goodness sake.

Furthermore, not to be petty, but I mean, honestly, GM, I am very, very surprised at this post from you. I mean even with the *, we all are getting what you wrote and I wish you hadn't. I cannot imagine that you have ever wrote that before so why are you doing it now? I am just amazed at this from you.

Lisa

 

[ContentInHim]

Has that EVER happened before? If not, why would you think that it would start now, for goodness sake.

Furthermore, not to be petty, but I mean, honestly, GM, I am very, very surprised at this post from you. I mean even with the *, we all are getting what you wrote and I wish you hadn't. I cannot imagine that you have ever wrote that before so why are you doing it now? I am just amazed at this from you.

Lisa

Lisa, if you are upset by that, you should have been in the open chat last night. And there was no mod to stop it.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I've had that happen to me even in Christian forums where they DID have heavy moderation... so I'm not seeing your point. In fact, the only person who ever told me to go f myself was an admin of one of those Christian forums.

hmnn I have seen that happen, but more moderation to immediately delete posts seem to work better if there are trusted mods.

 

[Harpuia]

I wanna know what's so bad about this open-community change besides the obvious? (Too large for it to work). Can anyone tell me that?

 

[Alice the Sister]

No, seriously, what I'm trying to say is, it's up to the community to protect the innocent. Self-governing communities are great if they're small, but when they get larger, it can be very very good or very very bad, and it's up to some of us to contribute to make sure it stays very very good.

I know what you're saying. And I've witnessed people on here assuming the worst and leaving because they just assume if they can't have their way then it's going to be "very very bad". It can go either way. I would hope with this new openness that the community would embrace it as opportunities to share their faith and build each other up in ways we haven't been able to do before.

I've been scared to post here at CF for many reasons. I've heard so many horror stories about people getting banned for no reason at all, and people getting blackballed. I feel like now that things are different, we can discuss things without fear of being struck down. We won't be held up to someone else's standard. We will always be held up to God's standard, and that's what should be important, and I guess some people are afraid without some kind of strict and mean standard there's no possible way it can benefit people or something. Lol.

 

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, if you are upset by that, you should have been in the open chat last night. And there was no mod to stop it.

Is the open chat a mod only thread?

Lisa

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Has that EVER happened before? If not, why would you think that it would start now, for goodness sake.

Furthermore, not to be petty, but I mean, honestly, GM, I am very, very surprised at this post from you. I mean even with the *, we all are getting what you wrote and I wish you hadn't. I cannot imagine that you have ever wrote that before so why are you doing it now? I am just amazed at this from you.

Lisa

It was a direct quote from another forum, along with the "Just kill yourself" response.

Lisa, am a grown woman who became a Christian a year and half ago. Of course I've used that word before. It's ugly, but in common usage at other Christian forums that are secular and barely moderated. That's simply the reality of it.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

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I know what you're saying. And I've witnessed people on here assuming the worst and leaving because they just assume if they can't have their way then it's going to be "very very bad". It can go either way. I would hope with this new openness that the community would embrace it as opportunities to share their faith and build each other up in ways we haven't been able to do before.

I've been scared to post here at CF for many reasons. I've heard so many horror stories about people getting banned for no reason at all, and people getting blackballed. I feel like now that things are different, we can discuss things without fear of being struck down. We won't be held up to someone else's standard. We will always be held up to God's standard, and that's what should be important, and I guess some people are afraid without some kind of strict and mean standard there's no possible way it can benefit people or something. Lol.

Thicker skin may be needed too.

 

[Harpuia]

I think that plenty of us here are more than mature to use swearing very sparingly... especially since there are many 16 and unders reading the debate forums.