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A new CF, an old vision (4)

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Harpuia

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Myself? I was warned officially a grand total of one time... it was for speaking my mind, and I told myself I would leave CF if I ever was warned for speaking my mind against anything.

I'm returning to CF because of the promise that it will not happen again under this new system. I'd like all ideals, even those I loathe, to be welcomed here.
 
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It was a direct quote from another forum, along with the "Just kill yourself" response.
From the same person or two sides of the argument and where were the mods. Seriously I find that the mods are too lenient on the "former" cf
 
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It was a direct quote from another forum, along with the "Just kill yourself" response.

Lisa, am a grown woman who became a Christian a year and half ago. Of course I've used that word before. It's ugly, but in common usage at other Christian forums that are secular and barely moderated. That's simply the reality of it.

I see. I guess I am just naive then. I had no idea that this was going on and to me it adds credibility to Erwin's decision to open the forum. I mean, if our mods are doing this kind of thing, then, what else are they capable of? The whole decision is starting to make alot of sense now.

It seems to me that the site is not what is broken, but those who were ruling it. So far, I have heard that moderators use language that no Christian should utter and that other moderators had to resign because they could not resist viewing soft deleted porn. There is a problem here at CF, but it is not the membership and it is not the rules themselves, and it is not the decision to change the rules. The problem is with the corruption within the administration and staff.

Thank the Good Lord for guiding me away from a staff position. I cannot even imagine how much it would have hurt me and scarred me.

Lisa
 
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I see. I guess I am just naive then. I had no idea that this was going on and to me it adds credibility to Erwin's decision to open the forum. I mean, if our mods are doing this kind of thing, then, what else are they capable of? The whole decision is starting to make alot of sense now.

It seems to me that the site is not what is broken, but those who were ruling it. So far, I have heard that moderators use language that no Christian should utter and that other moderators had to resign because they could not resist viewing soft deleted porn. There is a problem here at CF, but it is not the membership and it is not the rules themselves, and it is not the decision to change the rules. The problem is with the corruption within the administration and staff.

Thank the Good Lord for guiding me away from a staff position. I cannot even imagine how much it would have hurt me and scarred me.

Lisa
huh?
 
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So, seriously, these people join and decide that people discussing spiritual warfare is a joke and go there just because they now have carte blanche to do that; or people go into the prayer request section and advise someone depressed to just kill themelves - something which I was told happened at a certain other forum.


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Hey, don't tell anybody what I did! Shhh!
 
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I mean that all the rules have changed and were being forced to "put up and shut up" cause Erwin owns this site. Sounds like robot material to me.

I'm not sure how you arrive at such a conclusion. If we look at the specific changes, I believe it can be demonstrated to be exactly the opposite of what you claim. CF used to make us all robot material. The changes release us from that and allow us to be thinking, reasoning people.

For example; the rules used to be decided by a small group of people who kept very tightly to their own. If you didn't agree with the majority of this "elite" group, you didn't last long and the rules, once being adopted by this small group, were then thrust upon the majority. A bit like firmware being written by a small few to match the desires of an even smaller few and then installed into the rest of the forum to act as the robots to the small few, ("puppets" is probably a better comparison).

Many here haven't been eligible for positions in staff. We may have cared greatly for the forum and wanted it to be the "community" it claims to be. But we were never "good enough" to be true members of the community. We were just robots, following the directions issued by the protected and exalted few who tried to take on the status of royalty, ruling over the peasant robots. Erwin has now changed that allowing even the "peasants" to change class, to add a voice to the rule-making process and even to influence who will and will not be occupying seats among the staff. He's de-robotizing the majority of the forum membership.

In the past people would register with CF believing they were Christians. But based on criteria not accepted by them, they were sometimes told that they couldn't carry a Christian icon because they weren't "Christian enough" to please the few in power. They were little robots running around wearing the pin others chose for them. Erwin has changed that as well. People now choose their own identity rather than having it chosen for them.

I agree with you in your distaste for the robotic controls. But the robotic controls were a part of the old CF. The new CF seeks to remove those controls.

Christians, (those who were deemed "Christian enough"), have always enjoyed a number of things in this "community" such as the right to go anywhere they wish to go on the forum. They could post anywhere they chose. They could decide to submit an application for a position on staff and not be rejected without consideration because they weren't "right thinkers". If accepted to staff they could have a say over what other members could and couldn't post, carry as signatures and even what they could say in a PM. They could themselves violate the rules in claiming others had committed violations and then hide behind the protective curtain of Rule 3.8. Many eventually added their voice to the rule-making process and continued to create more rules to give them even more power and yet remain protected from answerability -- Rules such as 2.9.

All of these things you have had, have been prohibited for many of us here. Erwin has now changed that. He has taken nothing from you except the dark curtain of secrecy behind which atrocities could be perpetrated without fear of exposure. He has only given the rest of us what you have always had and this seems to infuriate you. Please tell me how you rationalize believing that you are worthy of all of these things while, at the same time, believing that the rest of us are not. What makes you so much better than the rest of us?
 
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I see. I guess I am just naive then. I had no idea that this was going on and to me it adds credibility to Erwin's decision to open the forum. I mean, if our mods are doing this kind of thing, then, what else are they capable of? The whole decision is starting to make alot of sense now.

It seems to me that the site is not what is broken, but those who were ruling it. So far, I have heard that moderators use language that no Christian should utter and that other moderators had to resign because they could not resist viewing soft deleted porn. There is a problem here at CF, but it is not the membership and it is not the rules themselves, and it is not the decision to change the rules. The problem is with the corruption within the administration and staff.

Thank the Good Lord for guiding me away from a staff position. I cannot even imagine how much it would have hurt me and scarred me.

Lisa
Where did I say it was a mod? It was a forum which is very, very lightly modded, and lot of CF people post at. If my censoring it offended you, if and when it's allowed to be used frequently, how would you feel then?

Many people feel swearing is wholly acceptable. The secular world is now completely desensitized to it, in fact.
 
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Can I be honest?

I think that non-Christians shouldn't be allowed to be mods in SOME forums that are suited more to the Christian minds. Debate, fine. Recreation, fine. But forums like Prayer Support should be left to Christian mods, at least IMO.
 
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Where did I say it was a mod? It was a forum which is very, very lightly modded, and lot of CF people post at. If my censoring it offended you, if and when it's allowed to be used frequently, how would you feel then?

Many people feel swearing is wholly acceptable. The secular world is now completely desensitized to it, in fact.

Not everyone. I'm considered of the "secular world" and I only use swearing when I'm writing for my hobby. I'm still a very mild-mannered person.
 
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Can I be honest?

I think that non-Christians shouldn't be allowed to be mods in SOME forums that are suited more to the Christian minds. Debate, fine. Recreation, fine. But forums like Prayer Support should be left to Christian mods, at least IMO.

Since now anyone who thinks he/she is a Christian is deemed one then seems like that restriction is now totally subjective. Hitler would qualify if he could get the votes (and he has ways to get the vote).
 
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GreenMunchkin,
I publicly apologize to you. I did not understand what had occurred and I simply reacted to the word. I should have asked you about it instead of making assumptions. I truly, truly am sorry.

Lisa
 
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All of these things you have had, have been prohibited for many of us here. Erwin has now changed that. He has taken nothing from you. He has only given the rest of us what you have always had and this seems to infuriate you. Please tell me how you rationalize believing that you are worthy of all of these things while, at the same time, believing that the rest of us are not. What makes you so much better than the rest of us?


Excuse me, I didn't know I was furious until just a second ago.
Hate to burst your bubble but many didn't cave to the system you seem so adiment to join. The Christian only sections were for "the elite few" and now there gone.
What makes me better than you. Nothing.
 
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Since now anyone who thinks he/she is a Christian is deemed one then seems like that restriction is now totally subjective. Hitler would qualify if he could get the votes (and he has ways to get the vote).
Well, we'll just have to see.

Like I said, there's pros and cons to every side, and we're going to have to reap the benefits and prepare for the drawbacks.
 
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Since now anyone who thinks he/she is a Christian is deemed one then seems like that restriction is now totally subjective. Hitler would qualify if he could get the votes (and he has ways to get the vote).

ROFLMAO!!!!! :wave:
 
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I'm confused. Some people are talking like there will be no rules, no moderation at all. I read that there will be, just maybe not the ones we have now. I'm ok with that. And even now on CF ANYONE can post ANYWHERE...even the very secluded and personal Christian only areas. It's not that hard to pick a different icon people. If they aren't already doing it why would they start now?

I've been to every part of CF, even the parts I can't post in. Denominational, teens, men only, ministry, etc. If anyone really wants to cause trouble they could have. And anyone who tries in the future can be banned by the new mods. I don't see a problem.
 
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I'm confused. Some people are talking like there will be no rules, no moderation at all. I read that there will be, just maybe not the ones we have now. I'm ok with that. And even now on CF ANYONE can post ANYWHERE...even the very secluded and personal Christian only areas. It's not that hard to pick a different icon people. If they aren't already doing it why would they start now?

I've been to every part of CF, even the parts I can't post in. Denominational, teens, men only, ministry, etc. If anyone really wants to cause trouble they could have. And anyone who tries in the future can be banned by the new mods. I don't see a problem.
Too much logic for thread :)
 
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I think this thread needs some hugs!

*stands here with a "Free Hugs" sign, and gives hugs to everyone who wants one, no matter what opinions they have here*
awww..how nice. ill take a hug! thanks..and huggs back at ya!
 
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