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A new CF, an old vision (4)

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Angel4Truth

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CaDan said:
But, if that is your guiding principle, what have you been doing here at CF for the last three years? This site has always allowed non-Christians to be members. Now, when it looks like your ability to beat up on them may be impaired in just the tiniest way, you start complaining.

Ask yourself--is it whether or not you will be unequally yoked that upsets you or that your whip hand may be stayed for a moment that upsets you?
Being a member and being yoked to someone who makes policy on a ministry isnt the same thing. For the last 3 years Erwin made it clear that non believers were guests here but that the site was primarily for the believers and that it would be governed by believers - see his words here :

Erwin said:
Reasons:
1. To me CF is more than just a website, it is also a ministry, and this vision is something that only Christians understand and appreciate.
2. All our rules and policies, though it may appear generic, have foundations in Christian doctrine and the Bible.
3. This site is Christian forums and although non-Christians are welcome, the target audience is still Christians.
4. A large majority of Christian members will not submit to being moderated by non-Christians.
All of the above points can be challenged and counter-arguments brought forth, but this policy will not change while I remain webmaster.
http://www.christianforums.com/t2851743-excuse-me-erwin.html&page=Its certainly not my fault or anyone elses who has spent time here investing in this ministry that Erwin has in the last couple days decided he didnt mean that. I believed Him as did many others. We also believed this was a ministry as its intent Your last statement is uncalled for - cruel and hateful. God bless you Mr Dan. Im sorry you feel that way about me. But im not sorry for standing up for biblical principles and if you dont like that , thats just too dang bad isnt it.
 
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I think Erwin has offered you the opportunity to make one here. Select your own mods for a subforum. Draft your own rules for the subforum.

That's how I understand it which is why I am considering becoming a mod.
 
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Yep..

Side 1: CF IS doomed and is leaving Christ
Side 2: CF will survive & grow stronger with this.

Alternative summary for side one...

CF is being restructured under a new matrix that may crumble it's very foundation... It remains to be seen when the dust stettles...

As I see it..;)

I for one HOPE Cf is not Doomed...:thumbsup: and am all for CF growing stronger through the trial... even if by fire...:prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
 
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Great is he going to allow the folks from Westboro Baptist the same right? How about Jack Chick as one of their mods?

Maybe. Why not?

I mean, there are enough members around here in tacit agreement with them, so they may as well be able to put together their own little boring subforum of lameness.
 
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Erwin, former CF member here.

I wanted to tell you great job on the new CF ideas. Keep going with this vision of yours despite what others may think. Your goal was to unite CF for ALL Christians, not just the Religious Right populace, and it is great somebody finally stepped up and saw that.

(And I might just throw my hat in to the ring for mod as well...)
 
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That's how I understand it which is why I am considering becoming a mod.

I think I'll consider that, too!

Then I can implement my dolphin spouse agenda and have all bow to Rupert my bath tub dolphin (who likes a belly rub before going to sleep):p
 
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Erwin, former CF member here.

I wanted to tell you great job on the new CF ideas. Keep going with this vision of yours despite what others may think. Your goal was to unite CF for ALL Christians, not just the Religious Right populace, and it is great somebody finally stepped up and saw that.

Yeah but you can't unite ALL christians if the Religious Right populace gets the (???) out of dodge in fear of well, whatever they're screaming fire over these days.
 
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Being a member and being yoked to someone who makes policy on a ministry isnt the same thing. For the last 3 years Erwin made it clear that non believers were guests here but that the site was primarily for the believers and that it would be governed by believers - see his words here : [/SIZE][/FONT]

So it's about power. It's about whose hand holds the whip.

What do you say we just put the whips away?


http://www.christianforums.com/t2851743-excuse-me-erwin.html&page=Its certainly not my fault or anyone elses who has spent time here investing in this ministry that Erwin has in the last couple days decided he didnt mean that. I believed Him as did many others. We also believed this was a ministry as its intent Your last statement is uncalled for - cruel and hateful. God bless you Mr Dan. Im sorry you feel that way about me. But im not sorry for standing up for biblical principles and if you dont like that , thats just too dang bad isnt it.

I suppose.

Reject the power model. Be free.
 
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You know what? The sort of warfare that has been going on in this thread and its predecessors is precisely why CF will never achieve its vision without a renewing of minds and spirits.

I belong to a denomination, The Episcopal Church in the United States of America, which is in the process of tearing itself apart over some of the same issues that are causing problems here. I happen to be very much a liberal, but also someone who cares about all God's people, conservatives included. And what is happening is wrong -- wrong there and wrong here.

What happened here was that an entrenched bureaucracy decided to go beyond enforcing forum rules to start judging people's hearts and salvation. A Christian couple, legally married and not in a state with gay marriage, was stripped of their "married" icons because staff decided to start gossiping and making accusations. A perfectly valid United Methodist was stripped of his "Christian" identity for the heinous sin of asking about another creed used by his church. People had started determining that "uniting all Christians" means "uniting all Christians that live up to my stringent standards of that it means to be Christian." Believers in Jesus Christ were being turned away for not mouthing the proper dogmatic shibboleths.

This was wrong. And Erwin reacted against it. I believe him to have been led by the Holy Spirit to call back into communion those who have been excluded by various people's prejudices.

But at the same time we cannot condemn those who believe that God has standards which all should live up to -- because everyone believes that; it's just that different people hold to different standards.

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says two things about religion: nobody can force their beliefs on you, and nobody can stop you from believing as you are led to believe. I think those two clauses make a pretty fair statement for CF as well:

You do not have the right to judge your brother's faith or salvation. You do have the right to hold fast to your own. Only one human being has the right to judge, and He is also the Incarnate Word of God. If you hold to an inerrant Bible, that is your privilege; but you must not demand that all Christians agree with you, on penalty of being disfellowshipped from CF. Same thing for every other major issue from papal primacy to antemillenialism to homosexuality. God has called us all together for His purposes, and what He has jouned together, let no man put asunder.

Gracious Father, we pray for Christian Forums. Fill it with all truth, in all truth with all peace. Where it is corrupt, purify it; where it is in error, direct it; where in any thing it is
amiss, reform it. Where it is right, strengthen it; where it is in want, provide for it; where it is divided, reunite it; for the sake of Jesus Christ thy Son our Savior. Amen.

O God, you made us in your own image and redeemed us through Jesus your Son: Look with compassion on the whole human family; take away the arrogance and hatred which infect our hearts; break down the walls that separate us; unite us in bonds of love; and work through our struggle and confusion to accomplish your purposes on earth; that, in your good time, all nations and races may serve you inharmony around your heavenly throne; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
 
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Maybe. Why not?

I mean, there are enough members around here in tacit agreement with them, so they may as well be able to put together their own little boring subforum of lameness.
You really think that would be allowed?

You are too intelligent to think that.

Why stop there though how about a NAMBLA subforum?
 
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Learning from great faiths in the Bible and Christians I learned through media and local churches, I saw that circumstances did not control them; it is their reaction to circumstances that determined what kind of people they were and most importantly, how faithful they were. They made decisions they felt it is God's will however, circumstances made them change directions.

When I serve God in my ministries and witnessing, I look for opportunities that He had lead me to. I have learned NOT to ignore His the steps He directed me. He has a purpose that I do NOT know bu I am ready when I see the opporunity. If we look in Ephesians 6:15, we are to wear the Gospel of Peace so that we will always be fully prepared to witness. Faith is to let God do His work in His way in His time and will use US as He desires. Ephesians 2:10 "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." The Holy Spirit KNOWS every person better than we do so just let the Holy Spirit do His work. I don't and I will not claim to KNOW everything that God knows. I cannot and will not comprehend until I get into heaven. God will work different ways in each of our lives because He knows EACH of us personally simply because He created us. I have learned to "be prepared" wherever God leads me to as Peter said in 1 Peter 3:15 "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

Instead of whining and complaining, we are to move on and see how God is leading us.
Ever read Malachi 2?
 
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Alternative summary for side one...

CF is being restructured under a new matrix that may crumble it's very foundation... It remains to be seen when the dust stettles...

As I see it..;)

I for one HOPE Cf is not Doomed...:thumbsup: and am all for CF growing stronger through the trial... even if by fire...:prayer: :prayer: :prayer:

I agree... we are facing a trial and uncertain future. A Christian's heart is right when a Christian wills what God wills. I am reminded of this quote.

"If you are a Christian , you are in the same circumstance as the early followers of Jesus. You have been commissioned to manage an asset for your Master. Your asset is your life-the sum of your talents, strengths, personality and interests. [Live every day to answer the question]. How will I steward what my Master has placed in my care?"Bruce Wilkinson, "A Life God Rewards"
 
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