A new CF, an old vision (4)

[Miracle Storm]

For that answer all I can do is show you Angel's post again. She is right on.

Is he being blown about the wind or being brought to a place where all can converse in peace and learn from one another and be uplifted?

God doesnt change a persons direction from this : http://www.christianforums.com/t2851743-excuse-me-erwin.html&page=1

Reasons:
1. To me CF is more than just a website, it is also a ministry, and this vision is something that only Christians understand and appreciate.
2. All our rules and policies, though it may appear generic, have foundations in Christian doctrine and the Bible.
3. This site is Christian forums and although non-Christians are welcome, the target audience is still Christians.
4. A large majority of Christian members will not submit to being moderated by non-Christians.
All of the above points can be challenged and counter-arguments brought forth, but this policy will not change while I remain webmaster.

To what we have now if it was indeed God who led toward the above which was stated on several occasions in several threads through several years to what is being stated now. They directly contradict. So it wasnt God saying it then or it isnt God saying it now .

God wouldnt be saying both. If God said it and said the policy would not change and then it changes , something is wrong.

 

[CaDan]

A repost, but . . . .

Might Christians not be more cautious, more open and just in their judgments and attitudes towards the great non-Christian religions of the world if they were completely convinced of the fact that the Holy Spirit, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is at work where he wills? Might Catholics not be more restrained, more open and friendly in their judgments and attitudes towards the other Christian Churches if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, in whom as Catholics they put, or ought to put, their whole trust, is also the hope and strength of the whole of Christendom and desires in freedom to be so? Might Church leaders not be more modest, more open and humble in their judgments and attitudes towards other Christians if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, who is certainly promised to those who hold office in the Church, is not a Spirit of office reserved for the privileged few, but is the Spirit of God, who has been poured out in the hearts of all who believe and love and who acts and desires to act freely in all hearts and minds? The free Spirit is at work where he wills.​

Hans Küng ~ The Church, pp. 176-77.

 

[ContentInHim]

While we're using the Bible, I'd like to say I see these threads much like how Jesus ticked off the religious Pharisees in the Bible.... they sure did grumble.... so do people here. Shall I give references?

The Pharisees did not use scripture - they added to scripture and called it inspired. Jesus took us back to scripture.

 

[No Swansong]

Does that mean he's resigning as Webmaster I wonder?

 

[JimfromOhio]

A repost, but . . . .

Might Christians not be more cautious, more open and just in their judgments and attitudes towards the great non-Christian religions of the world if they were completely convinced of the fact that the Holy Spirit, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is at work where he wills? Might Catholics not be more restrained, more open and friendly in their judgments and attitudes towards the other Christian Churches if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, in whom as Catholics they put, or ought to put, their whole trust, is also the hope and strength of the whole of Christendom and desires in freedom to be so? Might Church leaders not be more modest, more open and humble in their judgments and attitudes towards other Christians if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, who is certainly promised to those who hold office in the Church, is not a Spirit of office reserved for the privileged few, but is the Spirit of God, who has been poured out in the hearts of all who believe and love and who acts and desires to act freely in all hearts and minds? The free Spirit is at work where he wills.​

Hans Küng ~ The Church, pp. 176-77.

I like that quote.

 

[Tychicus2]

We live in a sinful world everyday and Christians are always "protecting" themselves from unbelievers and cults. I for one like to see the doors open so I can make them disciples (even though they are trying to "convert" me). When we go out witnessing the world in Christ's commandment of the "Great Commission", we are to love. In 1 Corinthians 13:5 says "Love does not act unbecomingly". Through the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of life and light and love. Act like Jesus, toward sinners and brethren in compassion, toward saints in warm affection, toward others in love. For those who are WITH Christ in our hearts, the Ten Commandments are about LOVE. Christians do not look at the Ten Commandments as laws but Grace of Love. We are to LOVE God first (first 4 commandments) and we are to love one another (last 6 commandments). The first and greatest commandment is to love God with every power of our entire CHRISTIAN being. Where love like that exists, there can be no place for a second object. The Great Commission and Love are the two most important ministry of God's will.

Would you be as comfortable letting non-believers in the pulpit ??? Or teaching Sunday School???

The name of this FORUM is CHRISTIAN...

I think when people come here they have a resonable expectation of it being Christian... to me that has meaning... This forum is IN the world it does not have to be OF the World does it???

Again if we are talking about Mature believers it is different...

IS there to be NO safe place for the *Little Ones* ??? On a CHRISTIAN Forum???

 

[CaDan]

For that answer all I can do is show you Angel's post again. She is right on.

Policy changed.

 

[ContentInHim]

A repost, but . . . .

Might Christians not be more cautious, more open and just in their judgments and attitudes towards the great non-Christian religions of the world if they were completely convinced of the fact that the Holy Spirit, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is at work where he wills? Might Catholics not be more restrained, more open and friendly in their judgments and attitudes towards the other Christian Churches if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, in whom as Catholics they put, or ought to put, their whole trust, is also the hope and strength of the whole of Christendom and desires in freedom to be so? Might Church leaders not be more modest, more open and humble in their judgments and attitudes towards other Christians if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, who is certainly promised to those who hold office in the Church, is not a Spirit of office reserved for the privileged few, but is the Spirit of God, who has been poured out in the hearts of all who believe and love and who acts and desires to act freely in all hearts and minds? The free Spirit is at work where he wills.​

Hans Küng ~ The Church, pp. 176-77.

The Holy Spirit is not a "free spirit". He is the spirit of God. But Kung would probably have a problem with that.

 

[Miracle Storm]

While we're using the Bible, I'd like to say I see these threads much like how Jesus ticked off the religious Pharisees in the Bible.... they sure did grumble.... so do people here. Shall I give references?

Go for it Leanna.
I am not saved by the law and therefore not a pharisee. I am saved through Jesus Christ, by grace not law.
Though everything is permissable for me not everything is beneficial.
Give your references and I'll give mine.

The guiding of the Holy Spirit is not tossed back and forth by the waves or blown by the wind.

 

[karen freeinchristman]

Marking my place and just to say, I love this quote:

A repost, but . . . .

Might Christians not be more cautious, more open and just in their judgments and attitudes towards the great non-Christian religions of the world if they were completely convinced of the fact that the Holy Spirit, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is revealed in and through the Church, is the free Spirit of the Lord of the whole world, who is at work where he wills? Might Catholics not be more restrained, more open and friendly in their judgments and attitudes towards the other Christian Churches if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, in whom as Catholics they put, or ought to put, their whole trust, is also the hope and strength of the whole of Christendom and desires in freedom to be so? Might Church leaders not be more modest, more open and humble in their judgments and attitudes towards other Christians if they were completely convinced that the Holy Spirit, who is certainly promised to those who hold office in the Church, is not a Spirit of office reserved for the privileged few, but is the Spirit of God, who has been poured out in the hearts of all who believe and love and who acts and desires to act freely in all hearts and minds? The free Spirit is at work where he wills.​

Hans Küng ~ The Church, pp. 176-77.

 

[Alice the Sister]

I need a picture of a pirate ship, with a bunch of pirates partitioned on one side, and a bunch of people wearing church clothes etc partitioned on the other. And then the caption would say "all aboard the Fellow Ship"

oh man I'm lame...but I just woke up so get over it.

 

[none the wiser]

Pretty much the same as thread #3.

...great. lol. That means it's lunchtime for me

 

[CaDan]

Would you be as comfortable letting non-believers in the pulpit ??? Or teaching Sunday School???

The name of this FORUM is CHRISTIAN...

I think when people come here they have a resonable expectation of it being Christian... to me that has meaning... This forum is IN the world it does not have to be OF the World does it???

Again if we are talking about Mature believers it is different...

IS there to be NO safe place for the *Little Ones* ??? On a CHRISTIAN Forum???

I think Erwin has offered you the opportunity to make one here. Select your own mods for a subforum. Draft your own rules for the subforum.

 

[Rochir]

*subscribes*

Can anyone summarize thread 4 for me real quick? Anything important I missed?

"The sky is falling!"

"unwashed hordes will come to pillage and plunder"

"Erwin roxs!"

 

[pgp_protector]

*subscribes*

Can anyone summarize thread 4 for me real quick? Anything important I missed?

Yep..

Side 1: CF IS doomed and is leaving Christ
Side 2: CF will survive & grow stronger with this.

 

[No Swansong]

I think Erwin has offered you the opportunity to make one here. Select your own mods for a subforum. Draft your own rules for the subforum.

Great is he going to allow the folks from Westboro Baptist the same right? How about Jack Chick as one of their mods?

 

[Sageykins]

Yet Another Gnostic "Gospel"...


The "Gospel of St. Judas" will be featuring in the April issue of National Geographic.

Jimmy Akin has the story:
http://www.jimmyakin.org/2006/04/the_gospel_of_j.html

Interesting historically, it should of course be a non-issue theologically, as the particular viewpoint presented in the Gospel of Judas was, of course, condemned by the council of Nicaea over sixteen hundred years ago. But alas, already we are hearing that this discovery will "shake the foundations of the Christian faith". Ridiculous of course, but on the back of "The Da Vinci Code" thousands will no doubt be buying into it.

Of course there are already many Gnostic gospels out there, the most famous probably being The Gospel of St. Thomas, memorably portrayed in the movie "Stigmata". I could rant for hours about that movie, but suffice to say that even when portrayed in a highly favorable light, these gospels still don't really take off.

On the Gnostic heresy: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm

 

[Garnet2727]

Suscribing...though I swear I don't know why.

 

[Miracle Storm]

Policy changed.

you mean Erwin lied? oh my..

 

[JimfromOhio]

Learning from great faiths in the Bible and Christians I learned through media and local churches, I saw that circumstances did not control them; it is their reaction to circumstances that determined what kind of people they were and most importantly, how faithful they were. They made decisions they felt it is God's will however, circumstances made them change directions.

When I serve God in my ministries and witnessing, I look for opportunities that He had lead me to. I have learned NOT to ignore His the steps He directed me. He has a purpose that I do NOT know bu I am ready when I see the opporunity. If we look in Ephesians 6:15, we are to wear the Gospel of Peace so that we will always be fully prepared to witness. Faith is to let God do His work in His way in His time and will use US as He desires. Ephesians 2:10 "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." The Holy Spirit KNOWS every person better than we do so just let the Holy Spirit do His work. I don't and I will not claim to KNOW everything that God knows. I cannot and will not comprehend until I get into heaven. God will work different ways in each of our lives because He knows EACH of us personally simply because He created us. I have learned to "be prepared" wherever God leads me to as Peter said in 1 Peter 3:15 "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

Instead of whining and complaining, we are to move on and see how God is leading us.