A new CF, an old vision (2)

[he4rty]

Erwin did not say that whoever self-identifies as a Christian is, in fact, a Christian. He said that it's not our place to judge and tell someone they're not when we really can't know.

Amen, and as I have said before, if you want to tick the boxes and say your a Christian there is nothing holding you accountable, only what God knows

 

[Da_Funkey_Gibbon]

Am I the only one who feels like interactions with people with viewpoints far different from my own really helps me to more deeply understand and put into practice my own faith and understanding of becoming Christ in the world??

If my faith is such that others opinions and viewpoints cause me to become defensive--then the problem is with me--and I might be far better off not being online at all. I find it far more fruitful in growing my faith and maturity ineracting with others who do not share each and every opinion and belief I hold...as that doesn't allow for growth or a challenge to deepen my understanding of why I believe what I believe.

Nope, but they're probably not posting in this thread.

Great post though.

I think what a lot of people seem to assume is that this forum will somehow become a liberal (dys)utopia all of a sudden when these rule come into effect... which it won't, (unless of course there aren't any conservative left by the time people have finished leaving...) there will still probably be safe "no debate" havens too, and probably "Atheists can't debate" fora as well... it's just that we get to decide what those fora are now.

95% of the fears here seem to be imagined. Sure there could well be problems in implementing all of this, but I recon Erwin is smart enough to work them out. At least stick around long enough to see what Erwin's new vision is actually gonna end up looking like before you leave.

 

[chaoschristian]

What if we implemented weighted voting on a per forum basis? Assign a member one vote for each post they have made in a forum. That way, those who are most invested in a forum by posting in it will have the largest say in who moderates it.

An elegant and simple solution.

It will however weigh the field against posters whose quality outweighs their quantity, as well as possibly promoting more spammy type threads just to give folks voting power.

Not disparing the idea or the proposed system, just trying to think through the potential unintended consequences.

 

[MelzluvsJesus]

Only people rule in CF. That's the problem.

Always has been, always will be.

That is because Erwin is not God, and he has effectively turned it over to those who have no respect for God, Jesus, or any other Christian who is devout.

In a way, Erwin has greased the squeakiest wheels and pandered to those with personal ideals of ethics that have nothing to do with either the Holy Bible or the faithful Christians for centuries.

This is modern world "Christianity; it is secular because that is the version that today's trends demand.

Erwin has made his choice. The rest will be interesting to watch. This is liberalism put to the acid test. And there just may well be more acid than ever seen before.

A HEARTY amen and WELL said! I TOTALLY agree.

 

[RoseofLima]

BTW I love the Specials too. I was singing "New Era" to myself at work today.

LOL! Now I've got it stuck in my mind! "....It's the dawning....of a newww era...."

It's kind of appropriate with the original OP in the first thread

I've been around CF for a long time...3 years, I think maybe 4 (I had another account that I don't use because of a stalker) I mostly stay out of debate fora because it is just not my thing, I don't find debate useful in any way- discussion, yes!-debate, no!!

It's nice to "meet" you!

 

[ProdicalChristian]

WAR?

Onward Christian Solders

Now sing everyone

 

[Keri]

In my 18-28 group at church we were just talking about how more and more churches are becoming community centered, where things are voted on by the "people", rules are made more simple and less harsh. Where people come together to "discuss" religion and their interpretation, rather than being in a church to be taught from the Bible, the infallable Word of God and where rules are there and set by the Bible and are not changed. They were even saying that it's just straying more and more away from God and more and more on the "community" and to me that mirrors a communist society, which by what we've seen in history does not end well.

Members should not be allowed to vote on who's an supervisor or mod. It should be in place by the Admins and since this is a Christian forum, only Christians should be in the supervisory position. By allowing non-christians to take reign we are doing a dis-service to the purpose of this board... are we then going to be allowing non-christian to come into our church to rule over there? It is sad to see one thing told to me last night, then to see it happen here today.

 

[TigerBunny]

I'll refrain from posting the entire contents of 1 Corinthians 5 and 6 here.

I cannot put into words how sad this makes me. By all means unite all Christians...but wiping out the line that tells you what a Christian is and then allowing the wolves into the fold? And trying to defend it with some half baked non Biblical ideal?

You folks take care. While you are doing that brush the dust off your Bibles. You are going to need it in the times ahead.

 

[ScottishJohn]

Well, I've just read through this thread, from start to finish, has taken me hours, and to be honest I wish I hadn't bothered. As someone else wisely said, I could have stopped with Erwins first post. This thread is like a microcosm of a lot of what is wrong with CF, and you have to look over it and see, it isn't the much villified Atheists and Agnostics being hateful and generally unpleasant, it is us Christians dumping everything Christ did for us in the mud and rolling our sleeves up for a good old bloodbath. Makes me kind of sick.

I could almost forgive Erwin for reading this thread and deciding to forget about the new changes, forget about the old system, and just close the shop.

Erwin, I want to thank you for the courage you have shown to try something new, I want to encourage you in your efforts, I think what you have chosen to do is scripturally sound and much needed. You will be in my prayers.

As for the rest of us, it is time we all took more responsibility for what we say, it is time we stopped running to mods every time someone says something we disagree with, lets grow up a bit and deal with our own issues in a Christlike manner. Trying to silence those you dislike or disagree with is always going to be an excercise in futility, and I am glad that the attempts to do this on CF are coming to an end.

I'm excited to see how it pans out, I hope to help where I can.

Just on a last note, something which has struck me about some of the more reasonable comments on this thread - cf is a very different place to a lot of us. Most of the people on this board as far as I can see return to the same areas most of the time, the board is so vast it is impossible to get round it all. Because of this, when we have these discussions we are each trying to describe a city based on the few blocks that we know really well. Which IMO accounts for a lot of the different opinions people have about what might be best. The new local mod system will help with that. It will be a good and positive thing.

Finally, we aren't meant to have 'safe places'. We are going to be persecuted as Christians. If the worst we face is a bit of name calling and disagreement on an internet message board, then are we not getting off quite lightly?

 

[*Starlight*]

In my 18-28 group at church we were just talking about how more and more churches are becoming community centered, where things are voted on by the "people", rules are made more simple and less harsh. Where people come together to "discuss" religion and their interpretation, rather than being in a church to be taught from the Bible, the infallable Word of God and where rules are there and set by the Bible and are not changed. They were even saying that it's just straying more and more away from God and more and more on the "community" and to me that mirrors a communist society, which by what we've seen in history does not end well.

Members should not be allowed to vote on who's an supervisor or mod. It should be in place by the Admins and since this is a Christian forum, only Christians should be in the supervisory position. By allowing non-christians to take reign we are doing a dis-service to the purpose of this board... are we then going to be allowing non-christian to come into our church to rule over there? It is sad to see one thing told to me last night, then to see it happen here today.

Hi Not all Christians see the Bible as the "infallible Word of God". Some do, and some don't. So it's good that some churches are more community centered.... different churches for different people, because we're not clones of each other, each person is unique and has a different personality and views.

As for mods... well, the ability to moderate a forum fairly doesn't depend on someone's religious views.

 

[none the wiser]

*placemarker*

And for WorldFriction. Haven't seen you in ages.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

I'll refrain from posting the entire contents of 1 Corinthians 5 and 6 here.

I cannot put into words how sad this makes me. By all means unite all Christians...but wiping out the line that tells you what a Christian is and then allowing the wolves into the fold? And trying to defend it with some half baked non Biblical ideal?

You folks take care. While you are doing that brush the dust off your Bibles. You are going to need it in the times ahead.

There are plenty of "controlled" forums/message boards that fit what people want and keeping out the unbelievers and false teachers. For me, its nice to see an opportunity to discuss my faith freely with others and allowing others to disagree with me.

Our beliefs should be shared with those we have in common and with God alone.

 

[geocajun]

]Why? if majority rules?

There is no way to prevent it from being a popularity contest. That is exactly what it seems it will be. Additionally whoever has the greatest number will make the rules.

Yep and it will still be a popularity contest.

I would like to nominate Jack Chick and Fred Phelps I mean if they get enough votes they can be mods right?

Why not? If they have enough votes there is no reason that they cannot be.

I don't get it. What are you trying to say here?

 

[QuickandSilver]

The site no longer knows what a Christian is. Before you could check here: Be a Christian

Are you saying this is what Erwin thinks a Christian must be?

Whoa.

 

[Ramona]

LOL! Now I've got it stuck in my mind! "....It's the dawning....of a newww era...."

It's kind of appropriate with the original OP in the first thread

I've been around CF for a long time...3 years, I think maybe 4 (I had another account that I don't use because of a stalker) I mostly stay out of debate fora because it is just not my thing, I don't find debate useful in any way- discussion, yes!-debate, no!!

It's nice to "meet" you!

Nice to meet you too!

Come to think of it, maybe that's why I had the song stuck in my head this morning.

WAR?

Onward Christian Solders

Now sing everyone

Dunno the words to that one. How about this?

"WAR! Huh! Good God, y'all!
What is it it good for? Absolutely NOTHING!"

 

[herev]

Yes, we can know...by their fruit. It is in the Word. But anyway, I guess I am going to see how this plays out. Should be interesting. Going to learn to duck fast so as not to get hit by the......................mud.

that verse those keep referring to is to know a PROPHET, not a Redeemed believer.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

Well, I've just read through this thread, from start to finish, has taken me hours, and to be honest I wish I hadn't bothered. As someone else wisely said, I could have stopped with Erwins first post. This thread is like a microcosm of a lot of what is wrong with CF, and you have to look over it and see, it isn't the much villified Atheists and Agnostics being hateful and generally unpleasant, it is us Christians dumping everything Christ did for us in the mud and rolling our sleeves up for a good old bloodbath. Makes me kind of sick.

I could almost forgive Erwin for reading this thread and deciding to forget about the new changes, forget about the old system, and just close the shop.

Erwin, I want to thank you for the courage you have shown to try something new, I want to encourage you in your efforts, I think what you have chosen to do is scripturally sound and much needed. You will be in my prayers.

As for the rest of us, it is time we all took more responsibility for what we say, it is time we stopped running to mods every time someone says something we disagree with, lets grow up a bit and deal with our own issues in a Christlike manner. Trying to silence those you dislike or disagree with is always going to be an excercise in futility, and I am glad that the attempts to do this on CF are coming to an end.

I'm excited to see how it pans out, I hope to help where I can.

Just on a last note, something which has struck me about some of the more reasonable comments on this thread - cf is a very different place to a lot of us. Most of the people on this board as far as I can see return to the same areas most of the time, the board is so vast it is impossible to get round it all. Because of this, when we have these discussions we are each trying to describe a city based on the few blocks that we know really well. Which IMO accounts for a lot of the different opinions people have about what might be best. The new local mod system will help with that. It will be a good and positive thing.

Finally, we aren't meant to have 'safe places'. We are going to be persecuted as Christians. If the worst we face is a bit of name calling and disagreement on an internet message board, then are we not getting off quite lightly?

Great Post

 

[RoseofLima]

We are all aware that this is an internet site, right?? No one is forcing anyone to sign on.... all of the talk about Biblical structure-- to me is nonsense, it's an internet forum. There's no Biblical model of internet forums.

You do what seems best, until it prayerfully feels like something else is called for....and then you cast out into the deep, asking Jesus to fill in the gaps where our human efforts are lacking (which they ALWAYS will be).

Of course I am married to an aetheist, who is still called to and acts as head of our household....and me and my children all lead deeply Christian lives with his full support and encouragement....so very likely I am biased and feel deeply that God uses the intentions for faithfulness of all people- whether they call themselves Christian or not....

 

[Colabomb]

There are plenty of "controlled" forums/message boards that fit what people want and keeping out the unbelievers and false teachers. For me, its nice to see an opportunity to discuss my faith freely with others and allowing others to disagree with me.

Our beliefs should be shared with those we have in common and with God alone.

And we already had forums where atheists and non Christians could debate.

WE didn't need to turn the whole forum into a free for all for that to happen.

 

[*Starlight*]

I'll refrain from posting the entire contents of 1 Corinthians 5 and 6 here.

I cannot put into words how sad this makes me. By all means unite all Christians...but wiping out the line that tells you what a Christian is and then allowing the wolves into the fold? And trying to defend it with some half baked non Biblical ideal?

You folks take care. While you are doing that brush the dust off your Bibles. You are going to need it in the times ahead.

Well, being a "wolf" doesn't depend on someone's religious beliefs and acceptance of creeds, but on someone's intentions when interacting with other people.