a moral dilemma. any advice?

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You are sending a mixed message. Online chat room forum advice is a good idea or a bad source?
Which is it?

No, I stated up front that I disagree with the advice that local only is preferred and shared that often prayer chains and other "local" advice do little more than wreak havoc due to gossip. Sometimes people not involved or local to the situation can leave biases on the shelf that locals can't, because they aren't attached and don't get offended when their advice isn't acted on.

I DO AGREE, though, that local Christian counselor or pastoral support SHOULD BE part of the solution.

And I assume the information was fairly shared and based on what was shared, I believe the original poster has to own 100% responsibility for the conflict.

I am thankful the original poster did share; because it gives everyone an opportunity to learn, so others of us could have his experience to learn from, if necessary. Often we don't think about things til we are in a crisis where we have to make a decision on something we never thought about before. When you have to think about something, it can help produce a better choice if you ever have a similar situation--like a case study. That shouldn't be done locally with a local example.
 
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No, I stated up front that I disagree with the advice that local only is preferred and shared that often prayer chains and other "local" advice do little more than wreak havoc due to gossip. Sometimes people not involved or local to the situation can leave biases on the shelf that locals can't, because they aren't attached and don't get offended when their advice isn't acted on.

I DO AGREE, though, that local Christian counselor or pastoral support SHOULD BE part of the solution.

And I assume the information was fairly shared and based on what was shared, I believe the original poster has to own 100% responsibility for the conflict.

I am thankful the original poster did share; because it gives everyone an opportunity to learn, so others of us could have his experience to learn from, if necessary. Often we don't think about things til we are in a crisis where we have to make a decision on something we never thought about before. When you have to think about something, it can help produce a better choice if you ever have a similar situation--like a case study. That shouldn't be done locally with a local example.


So you feel on-line advice has value and that local
help is good. I provided my advice on-line and
recommend local help over online advice.
Thanks.
 
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Nobody in your family is to blame, they are all victims. Rape is a horrible thing to happen, and your entire family is now a victim. You need to seek help from professionals, not people on message boards.
 
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So you feel on-line advice has value and that local
help is good. Which is what my post covers.
Thanks.

In post #2, it seemed as if you were against getting non-local advice and really seemed to strongly favor local community (not just specific local professionals) help.
 
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hello everybody, my name is ransomovitch from the UK, my wife and i are both christians and we have been married for 33 years and we have 3 grown up children. but right now, we are in the middle of a horrible and seemingly no win situation. 8 years ago i overheard our 16 yr old daughter rowing with her bofriend and she shouted at him, ‘well, you werent the one who was raped were you!’ i was left reeling. about 5 minutes later she came out of her room crying and i told her as gently as i could what i had heard. she told me the horrible details of the rape by some man at a party but she was absolutely adamant and to the point of screaming that she did not ever want her mum to know. i said to her that would not be good and her mum needed to know but she was distraught and so angry and she screamed that i must never tell her. separately at the time, my wife and i were going through some difficult things with our middle son of 18. even so, i wanted to tell my wife i was dreading it but i knew i needed to tell her. on the night that i resolved to say something, my wife said to me in bed that night, ‘if another thing happens, i swear i will crack up.’ what should i do? i took that as a sign not to say anything. and please readers, i dont say this in any way to make a case for my defence. that was just the way it panned out. a few days later, i went to a trusted elder in our church and told him everything. again, such a difficult dilemma for him to face but he felt that it was not the right time given all the circumstances and the other stuff going on our lives. anyway, over the years i didnt tell my wife but i would repeatedly say to our daughter that her mum needs to know, and she would always say ‘dont you dare tell mum, she must never find out.’ i would speak with her at least 2 times a year and it was always the same dangerous ground and always the same vehement answer. and over those years, she took an overdose and had been self-harming. i knew about the rape and my wife didnt. finally 3 months ago, after 8 years, when i said again to our daughter now 24 that she should tell her mum, she said yes she will. i didnt know what to feel. and so it came to the morning that our daughter told her mum what had happened, and when i came in from work i burst into tears in front of them both not knowing who to hug first. obviously my wife was shattered by the news about her daughter (id had 8 years to process this) and at first, after my daughter explained that i had known about this all along but she had not wanted her mum to know, at first my wife seemed ok about this, but now my wife feels i have betrayed her and deceived her and that the self harm our daughter went through and all the depression she suffered could have been handled differently if she had been told. i feel terrible and stuck but i feel like i had no choice. hindsight is a wonderful thing but my wife feels so hurt by me. and of course our daughter cannot ever know how this has come between us. i am numb with it all but trusting God will see us through. any advice?
Wow what a horrible thing to endure for all three of you. I am single with no children so I am the least qualified to speak on your situation but I do still have an opinion as an adult male. Your daughter's secret was not yours to tell. You chose to keep your daughter's trust over it looks like your marital trust. To respect on would have been to betray the other so I can see how it would be more logical to keep the marital trust intact and betray your daughter's trust.

The reason why I think you did do the right thing is that by keeping her trust, your daughter will trust you with any information about what is going on in her life. If she is drinking, doing drugs, or in an abusive relationship, she will be more likely to confide in you her problem. With total trust, she will even be more open with her feelings with you than if you betrayed her.

Even though your wife does have a personal reason to be angry, this secret affected the welfare of your daughter. I would hope that in time she would see that you were afraid to lose your daughter's trust and thought you were acting in her best interest and forgive you. It is possible that knowing what happened to your daughter could have affected the type of treatment she would have received, however, focusing on her rape right away in treatment could have also tormented her depending on what the treatment was. She may not have been ready to deal with that experience before now and retreated further into depression and anxiety.

I pray your wife forgives you as quickly as possible and is able to understand that you did not want to or enjoy keeping this from her. In fact, it tore you apart but ultimately you treated your child like a person who has her own needs knows herself enough to know when she is ready to share this most horrifying event with her mother and you didn't feel it was your right to force her.

God Bless you and your family
 
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In post #2, it seemed as if you were against getting non-local advice and really seemed to strongly favor local community (not just specific local professionals) help.

Yes on both accounts. Nobody online wants just one opinion or response.
 
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Thank you for your input

No, I stated up front that I disagree with the advice that local only is preferred and shared that often prayer chains and other "local" advice do little more than wreak havoc due to gossip. Sometimes people not involved or local to the situation can leave biases on the shelf that locals can't, because they aren't attached and don't get offended when their advice isn't acted on.

I DO AGREE, though, that local Christian counselor or pastoral support SHOULD BE part of the solution.

And I assume the information was fairly shared and based on what was shared, I believe the original poster has to own 100% responsibility for the conflict.

I am thankful the original poster did share; because it gives everyone an opportunity to learn, so others of us could have his experience to learn from, if necessary. Often we don't think about things til we are in a crisis where we have to make a decision on something we never thought about before. When you have to think about something, it can help produce a better choice if you ever have a similar situation--like a case study. That shouldn't be done locally with a local example.
 
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You were in a difficult situation, and now you're in a different difficult situation.

If your wife and daughter are agreeable, you might consider a family counseling session with all of you together with a specialist in family counseling. And you can explore the situation and the feelings about it in a safe environment with some guidance.

I think your daughter should know about the consequences this has had for you and your wife. She doesn't need to be blamed, but she needs to know. She may be able to provide the key -- to stress to your wife that you were not keeping your own personal secret from your wife. You were keeping your daughter's secret in the way your daughter wanted.
Thank you
 
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I wish you and your family well.

That said- your wife needs to let this go. Hindsight is 20/20 and you didn't betray your wife.

Your wife wasn't raped. Your daughter was. It was her secret to tell, not yours. Had you told your wife, your daughter may have never trusted you again.

You may all need therapy now to deal with your trauma, but no one has harmed your wife and she needs to not play the victim now.

I say this as a survivor of sexual assault. To be honest, parents often make the pain their child suffers about them. That creates distance and doesn't help the child. I'm sure your wife feels hurt, but that is her own doing.

Your daughter made a choice she believed she needed to make at the time. It was her choice to make.
 
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Hello ransomovitch,
If you have already read PreviouslySeeking's post to you, then I would advise you to read it again. It is the most sensible advice you have received on this thread.
Too much of what you have been saying is about your feelings and your wife's feelings. It was your daughter who was raped. It is her feelings that are of paramount importance, and it is her feelings that need to be respected.
 
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