A mocking attitude toward degenerates, is it immoral or morally neutral?

[now faith]

You are taking this passage out of context!!! THIS IS SPEAKING OF HYPOCRITICAL JUDGEMENT! Of judging people of what you yourself do. Like what you are doing right now. Judging someone for judging!


1st Corinthians 6:2-5
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?


1st Corinthians 5
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

This is what Jesus said to do when one who is called a brother wrongs you.
Matthew 18:15-17
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Part1
Why did you quote 6 before 5?

Could it be Paul was addressing problems at Corinth?
You need to understand what your reading,

First you take Romans and say its out of context.

Then you jump to a passage that was proprietary to issues at Corinth.
They were about settling legal issues within the church,Paul urging them
Not to go to the ungodly for ruling.

If it be found by the least in the Church a member or brother is any of the aforementioned things put him out.

Why do I have to explain the Bible to you like a babe?

You should have answered Romans 2 in its context,non believing Jews were
Condemning Christians by the law of which Christians have been redeemed from.

Now let's try again:


Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

So now are we to judge our fellow Christians?

 

[now faith]

Part 2

Now we are back at Corinth here is Paul laying the foundation for them and us.

2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.


You see a gospel of inclusion and conviction hides the true meaning of
Our commission to preach to the lost the good news(gospel) is what good news means

Yes there are false teachers I agree,but more importantly we live in a dying
World.

So judging be it right in your eyes is not Gods will.

Gods will is to preach salvation to the lost,to judge those who are or claim to be
In the body is way past your pay grade.

 

[now faith]

Yeehaw
Part 3 discipleship
2 Timothy 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Bluelion]

YES HE DID!

Jesus called others "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets. Jesus called people "hypocrites" seven times in one chapter.

Jesus referred to people as "an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation," "SERPENTS and SNAKES," and "children of the DEVIL." Why He even told the people regarding King Herod (When the Pharisees said to go away because Herod wanted to kill him) "Go ye, and tell that FOX"

Lets see what he had to say about the religious leaders.

"But WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… FOR YOU SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN…

…THEY BIND HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but will not move them with ONE OF THEIR FINGERS
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… you DEVOUR WIDOW’S HOUSES… you shall receive the greater damnation.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES…

WOE unto you, ye BLIND GUIDES…

You FOOLS AND BLIND…

You FOOLS AND BLIND…

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You… have omitted… JUDGMENT, MERCY, and FAITH…

You BLIND GUIDES, which strain out a gnat, and SWALLOW A CAMEL.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… within they are full of EXTORTION AND EXCESS.

You BLIND PHARISEES…

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You are FULL OF DEAD MEN’S BONES, and ALL UNCLEANESS… and HYPOCRISY and INIQUITY…

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!… you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your fathers.

You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES… you KILL AND CRUCIFY… you SCOURGE in your synagogues… Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"!!

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, HOW CAN YE ESCAPE THE DAMNATION OF HELL?


WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to some of the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God’s Church today? (The Jesus Seminar, the clergy working to defend abortion, homosexuality, and all other manor of wickedness, those liberal scholars who don't even believe the Gospel or the Resurrection, there are even the Priests and Pastors out there today who don't believe scripture, or even the Gospel or the Resurrection, that are humanists, and are teaching men these heresies in the churches today.)

I don't think many would ever sanction such a manner of speech from a minister in their denomination. I doubt many denominations today would hire someone who spoke like Jesus as a Pastor. Most Churches would probably throw him out the door on His ear before He got ten minutes into His first sermon. Christians are offended that I would even point out these historical facts of Scripture. They really don’t want to believe Jesus spoke as He did, even though it’s all right there in their Bibles.

You are a pastor right? If someone in your church talked like that on occasion what would you do? Ban them? Preach a sermon against them?

I see you do not understand what the word mock means here.

mock verb \ˈmäk, ˈmȯk\
: to laugh at or make fun of (someone or something) especially by copying an action or a way of behaving or speaking

: to criticize and laugh at (someone or something) for being bad, worthless, or unimportant

Jesus did no such thing, and it is against his nature.

 

[now faith]

Lol way off topic I went as well.

What was the premises of this thread?

God Bless and good night or morning

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

So now are we to judge our fellow Christians?

We would have to ignore scripture in order not to. It is commanded. Didn't you read the verses I put up.

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

A publican is a tax collector btw in case you didn't know.

I quoted from the 6th chapter first because those verses where more to the point and I was planning on quoting the entire 5th chapter. I was thinking people may end up glazing over and ignoring the verses so I posted the verses from chapter 6 first.

Also Paul was judging and commanding the church at Corinth to judge someone for incest. This is in scripture. Also Jesus commanded this kind of judging in Mathew 18:15-17.

Finally perhaps we should abolish the sex offender registry and the criminal justice system and let all the unrepentant rapists and pedophiles out. Maybe we should let them get jobs in the Public Schools should they so desire.(Teachers, Couches, Janitors ect. ect.) Don't judge after all.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

I see you do not understand what the word mock means here.

mock verb \ˈmäk, ˈmȯk\
: to laugh at or make fun of (someone or something) especially by copying an action or a way of behaving or speaking

: to criticize and laugh at (someone or something) for being bad, worthless, or unimportant

Jesus did no such thing, and it is against his nature.

Definition of mock (v)


Bing Dictionary

• mock
• [ mok ]
• 
  

1. treat somebody or something with scorn: to treat somebody or something with scorn or contempt
2. mimic somebody: to imitate somebody in a way that is intended to make that person appear silly or ridiculous
3. prevent something: to prevent something from succeeding in a way that causes frustration or humiliation

It would seem it is you who dose not understand what the word mock means. Clearly Jesus has met the definition on multiple occasions. (1.treat somebody or something with scorn: to treat somebody or something with scorn or contempt)

Furthermore you should look up the definition of the word judge!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/judge (1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.)

1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2. a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.

3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
v.intr.1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.

n.1. One who judges, especially:a. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness: a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
b. Abbr. J. Law A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
c. Law A bankruptcy referee.
d. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.

2. Bible a. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
b. Judges (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg See Table at Bible.


1. (Professions) a public official with authority to hear cases in a court of law and pronounce judgment upon them. Compare magistrate1, justice5, justice6
2. a person who is appointed to determine the result of contests or competitions
3. a person qualified to comment critically: a good judge of antiques.
4. (Bible) a leader of the peoples of Israel from Joshua's death to the accession of Saul
vb5. (Law) to hear and decide upon (a case at law)
6. (Law) (tr) to pass judgment on; sentence
7. (when tr, may take a clause as object or an infinitive) to decide or deem (something) after inquiry or deliberation
8. to determine the result of (a contest or competition)
9. to appraise (something) critically
10. (tr; takes a clause as object) to believe (something) to be the case; suspect

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

What was the premises of this thread?

The premise was if a mocking attitude towards degenerates is immoral or morally neutral.

Since Jesus had such an attitude sometimes I would say it is defiantly not immoral in every single case thus it could be considered morally neutral in many cases. Although I would say a mocking attitude in some instances can be immoral that is clearly not the case in every single circumstance.

 

[Bluelion]

Definition of mock (v)


Bing Dictionary

• mock
• [ mok ]
• 
  

1. treat somebody or something with scorn: to treat somebody or something with scorn or contempt
2. mimic somebody: to imitate somebody in a way that is intended to make that person appear silly or ridiculous
3. prevent something: to prevent something from succeeding in a way that causes frustration or humiliation

It would seem it is you who dose not understand what the word mock means. Clearly Jesus has met the definition on multiple occasions. (1.treat somebody or something with scorn: to treat somebody or something with scorn or contempt)

Furthermore you should look up the definition of the word judge!
judge - definition of judge by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.)

1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2. a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.

3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
v.intr.1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.

n.1. One who judges, especially:a. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness: a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
b. Abbr. J. Law A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
c. Law A bankruptcy referee.
d. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.

2. Bible a. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
b. Judges (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg See Table at Bible.


1. (Professions) a public official with authority to hear cases in a court of law and pronounce judgment upon them. Compare magistrate1, justice5, justice6
2. a person who is appointed to determine the result of contests or competitions
3. a person qualified to comment critically: a good judge of antiques.
4. (Bible) a leader of the peoples of Israel from Joshua's death to the accession of Saul
vb5. (Law) to hear and decide upon (a case at law)
6. (Law) (tr) to pass judgment on; sentence
7. (when tr, may take a clause as object or an infinitive) to decide or deem (something) after inquiry or deliberation
8. to determine the result of (a contest or competition)
9. to appraise (something) critically
10. (tr; takes a clause as object) to believe (something) to be the case; suspect

Clearly you don't understand Jesus

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Clearly you don't understand Jesus

He mocked people, I showed you where it's recorded in scripture. God mocked people as recorded in the Tanakh as well.

 

[Bluelion]

No he did not He never made fun of any one.

 

[now faith]

Do we condemn the sin or the sinner?

If we condemn the sinner do we judge them,stone them or cast them out.

What did Jesus do?

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

He did not judge her or condemn her,when others wanted to kill her.
But the others were condemned there selves,because all have sinned including those who judge others.
If we cannot show mercy why should we receive it.
Those who live by the law are condemned by the law.

Those who are in Christ are redeemed from the law,so if Christ has forgiven
Why do we judge?

 

[now faith]

We would have to ignore scripture in order not to. It is commanded. Didn't you read the verses I put up.


A publican is a tax collector btw in case you didn't know.

I quoted from the 6th chapter first because those verses where more to the point and I was planning on quoting the entire 5th chapter. I was thinking people may end up glazing over and ignoring the verses so I posted the verses from chapter 6 first.

Also Paul was judging and commanding the church at Corinth to judge someone for incest. This is in scripture. Also Jesus commanded this kind of judging in Mathew 18:15-17.

Finally perhaps we should abolish the sex offender registry and the criminal justice system and let all the unrepentant rapists and pedophiles out. Maybe we should let them get jobs in the Public Schools should they so desire.(Teachers, Couches, Janitors ect. ect.) Don't judge after all.

Another Straw man,built from fear,so if we do not tolerate sex offenders you are right
But if we disagree on your view we are for sex offenders.

I am waiting for this debate to spiral into.....wait its on the way,,,

I hope you realize your memes are confirming a Dawkins theory

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Another Straw man,built from fear,so if we do not tolerate sex offenders you are right
But if we disagree on your view we are for sex offenders.

I am waiting for this debate to spiral into.....wait its on the way,,,

I hope you realize your memes are confirming a Dawkins theory

It is not a strawman. How can it be a straw-man when people are ignoring scripture and saying that judging is wrong. That would include judging pedophiles right? Pedophiles, like the Wolf who corrupted my sister and WANTS TO BE A PASTOR! Who had bible study lessons with her and used the church to get alone with her!!!

What about those are incestuous and into bestiality. Many of them are unrepentant and think there is nothing wrong with what they do. MANY OF THEM ARE IN ARE CHURCHES and want access to are kids (As well as are schools if you look at the statistics the rate of sexual abuse is much much higher in the schools then the Roman Catholic Church)

Think about it, if you were a pedophile where would you want to work. Somewhere in which you are completely trusted to be alone with kids. ESPECIALLY SOMEWHERE YOU WONT BE "JUDGED"!!!!! The controversy with the Roman Church is actually exadurated and a lot of churches have had this problem, the Public School System is actually more dangerous statistically but doesn't carry the same stigma as the Roman Church. This is a big problem. IT SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED!

There is a cult who's website was taken down. Inkaboutithomestead. They claimed to be Christian and they also supported and encouraged incest, pedophilia, and homosexuality and they twisted scripture to do it. These perverts HIGHLY encouraged these things. THEY SAY THE BIBLE SUPPORTS THESE THINGS. THEY SAY GOD SUPPORTS THESE THINGS! Although the site was taken down (probably because people MANY BTW CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS where using the comments section to SELL THEIR CHILDREN sexually) archives of the site are available online. You may want to try doing some research and realizing THESE PEOPLE go to church and they want access to children.

You are ignoring the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!!! You say WWJD but then IGNORE WHAT HE DID DO, and what He Himself has said. (Matthew 18:15-17, John 7:24 ect. ect.) You also ignore scripture whereas I do not. (1st Corinthians 5, 1 Cor.6:1-5) Use scripture to interpret scripture!

Would you let one of those inkaboutithomestead people babysit your kid? Would you let one of them be a Pastor, Youth Minister, or Sunday school teacher in your church or would you take your kids and leave, and go find another Church if they got into that position while unrepentantly embracing those perverted beliefs. Would you judge them if they preached a sermon not just accepting but flat-out encouraging pedophilia and incest? Leaving would be judgmental and confronting him midsermon even more judgmental. I'd confront and rebuke Him mid-sermon and call for Him to repent. What would you do? Would you judge?

I do not have to ignore scripture whereas those who claim judging is wrong not only have to ignore scripture and what Jesus himself said they have to ignore reality as well.