A Losing Battle

[Arsenios]

Are you a shut up censor too?

Does this "too" mean 'in addition' to all my other faults?
Or is there someone else who is a "shut up censor" in addition to me?

I remain jailably your faithful servant...

Fully deserving of being shut up...

Arsenios

 

[SkyWriting]

I will tell you a secret - A child in the womb is very aware of its universe, and the mother IS that universe... The child is utterly at peace there, in total innocence, without words... It knows the world outside the mother's womb by knowing without words the mother in whose womb he or she IS.

Source o' your secrets?

Your prayers help you, not me.

 

[SkyWriting]

Good grief - How can you detest a person you have not judged?

I may detest turnips, but I don't judge them for being turnips.

 

[SkyWriting]

Would you please reconsider and pray for me?

And if I did, I'm not supposed to publically declare it.
You seem unaware of scripture.

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.

 

[Arsenios]

I may detest turnips, but I don't judge them for being turnips.

Aw ya still judge the FLAVOR...

C'mon!

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Source o' your secrets?

SSshhhhh!

It's a secret!

Your prayers help you, not me.

How do you know?

Or do you think you are utterly beyond the help of the prayers of another person?

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

And if I did, I'm not supposed to publically declare it.
You seem unaware of scripture.

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.

That is a teeny wiener-dog excuse for not praying for a sinner like me who is so desperately needy for your prayers...

Will you please pray for me?

You can be a big stand-up dog and say you will...

In your closet would be fine...

Arsenios

 

[SkyWriting]

SSshhhhh!
It's a secret!

That's the expected answer.

How do you know?
Or do you think you are utterly beyond the help of the prayers of another person?

That's what I've been saying.
Prayers don't change others.
If they did everybody would
win the Superbowl.

 

[SkyWriting]

That is a teeny wiener-dog excuse for not praying for a sinner like me who is so desperately needy for your prayers...Will you please pray for me? You can be a big stand-up dog and say you will...
In your closet would be fine...Arsenios

I remember this conversation.....

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Arsenios said: ↑
"Good grief - How can you detest a person you have not judged?"
I thought that was a very good point - not at all about turnips. Actually in the latter case they are at least judged to be turnips, and one suspects there are other judgments about turnips on which is based the action of detesting.

Perhaps detesting is not an action, but more like a judgment? Does one judge that one hates turnips?
No judging in hating (detesting), right SkyWriting?

I may detest turnips, but I don't judge them for being turnips.

BTW, if your secret is not to be revealed, that means others can likely never know if what you claim about life in the womb is anything other than mere imagining, right?

 

[Arsenios]

BTW, if your secret is not to be revealed, that means others can likely never know if what you claim about life in the womb is anything other than mere imagining, right?

They won't KNOW even if I DO reveal the source of my little secret...
But I did reveal the little secret itself...
Ever see the pic of a baby's hand in the womb gripping the operating physician's finger?

Remember the words of Abraham to the Rich Man about warning his brothers?

We simply bear witness, my Brother...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

That's the expected answer.

Being predictable is not easy...

That's what I've been saying.
Prayers don't change others.
If they did everybody would
win the Superbowl.

So what do you do with the Scripture that states:
"The prayers of a righteous man availeth much." ??

Prayers changing others, btw, is a wiener-dog straw-man -
God changes as He wills...
Our prayers are to Him...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

I remember this conversation.....

Well you seem to have this big hairy deal reticence to pray for another sinner like me...

Remembering the conversation won't help...

Praying for me will help...

A lot...

I will keep coming back to you on this...

It is important...

"EVERYTHING by prayer and intercession..."

Arsenios

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

I will tell you a secret - A child in the womb is very aware of its universe, and the mother IS that universe... The child is utterly at peace there, in total innocence, without words... It knows the world outside the mother's womb by knowing without words the mother in whose womb he or she IS...

Arsenios

The idea that the fetus is "very aware" of the pregnant woman is a bit far-fetched; I bet it never even knows the color of her eyes or hair, let alone a few other features of a real woman.

And what kind of imagining is "knowing" the world outside the womb by knowing the womb, its total fluid darkness?

BTW, what do you take the fetal appendage grasping the surgeon's finger to prove? 1. That there is a fetal "finger" in the late stages of pregnancy that can move in response to being disturbed. 2. What else?

 

[Arsenios]

The idea that the fetus is "very aware" of the pregnant woman is a bit far-fetched; I bet it never even knows the color of her eyes or hair, let alone a few other features of a real woman.

That is your universe, not the child's...

And what kind of imagining is "knowing" the world outside the womb by knowing the womb, its total fluid darkness?

Akin to watching the fans of, say, a football game, rather than the game itself...

BTW, what do you take the fetal appendage

FETAL APPENDAGE are WE??? So when we meet, will we be shaking each other's ADULT APPENDAGES???

So do I just walk up to you and ask you to put your ADULT APPENDAGE in my hand???

Forgive my scorn of your usage of language...

But a living child's LIFE is at issue here...

And you are dehumanizing that life...

grasping the surgeon's finger to prove?

FINGER??? Whatever happened to ADULT APPENDAGE???

1. That there is a fetal "finger" in the late stages of pregnancy that can move in response to being disturbed. 2. What else?

That a child feels a sensation and responds by grasping...

Arsenios

 

[amariselle]

The idea that the fetus is "very aware" of the pregnant woman is a bit far-fetched; I bet it never even knows the color of her eyes or hair, let alone a few other features of a real woman.

And what kind of imagining is "knowing" the world outside the womb by knowing the womb, its total fluid darkness?

BTW, what do you take the fetal appendage grasping the surgeon's finger to prove? 1. That there is a fetal "finger" in the late stages of pregnancy that can move in response to being disturbed. 2. What else?

I think the same could be said of our awareness of God in that case. We don't know physical specifics about Him either, and yet He is no less real to us, or shouldn't be.

Babies do far more than move in response to being disturbed. They are very much alive and can feel, suck their thumbs, yawn, etc. We have extremely advanced ultrasound technology now that allows us to see unborn babies in the womb. We no longer have any excuse for believing they are not human beings.

The following video shows various different types of ultrasound.

 

[AGTG]

This has been on my heart lately. The last few days I have been trying my best to take a stand for the sanctity of ALL human life. Sometimes it feels like this is a losing battle to be honest, but I know I have to keep trying.
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I have decided to remove the rest of my posts because although I was only trying to share what was on my heart and take a stand for all the precious, unborn babies and their mothers and families, and I was hoping to share that with other Christians, I was instead accused of seeking adoration and likes.

I have no need to be adored, I was only hoping to find more Christians who are also heartbroken by what they see happening in the world today.

My apologies to anyone I hurt or offended.

I would not feel too badly. Pro-abortion people can be particularly hard to reach out to.

 

[amariselle]

I would not feel too badly. Pro-abortion people can be particularly hard to reach out to.

I know, I started this thread to talk about abortions done for convenience, but that's not where it ended up.

Thank you for the encouragement.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Douglas Hendrickson said: ↑
The idea that the fetus is "very aware" of the pregnant woman is a bit far-fetched; I bet it never even knows the color of her eyes or hair, let alone a few other features of a real woman.

That is your universe, not the child's...

Akin to watching the fans of, say, a football game, rather than the game itself...Arsenios

You claimed: "the mother IS that universe." I presume "the mother" is a pregnant woman, that is an actual real woman.
You claim that "universe" is "the child's" universe, and that it is "very aware" of it. I point out that is pretty plainly false!
It is NOT about me watching anything like a football game - it is about your false claim about fetus "watching."

 

[amariselle]

Douglas Hendrickson said: ↑
The idea that the fetus is "very aware" of the pregnant woman is a bit far-fetched; I bet it never even knows the color of her eyes or hair, let alone a few other features of a real woman.

You claimed: "the mother IS that universe." I presume "the mother" is a pregnant woman, that is an actual real woman.
You claim that "universe" is "the child's" universe, and that it is "very aware" of it. I point out that is pretty plainly false!
It is NOT about me watching anything like a football game - it is about your false claim about fetus "watching."

The fetus (baby) knows nothing beyond the womb, but it is no less a human being.