A Losing Battle

[Arsenios]

Thank you.

Well, so much for my THEORY of indictment by sarcasm...

Oh well...

You're welcome!

Arsenios

 

[SkyWriting]

And yes, I am looking to manipulate you into the Love of God...
By seeking your fervent prayers of intercession for me...
You see, my Dear...
Here is the deal...
When you are praying for someone like me...
It is harder for you to deal unrighteously...
With the person for whom you are praying...

You are making it so much easier to walk away again.
I don't like to keep people on ignore too long.
Funny thing is, the ones I have ignored seem to
have left or been banned, one-or-other.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Now you are arguing that embryos are not flesh... You must argue that amoebae are not flesh... Do you think that flesh is only what you can butcher and fry up a steak from??
And against your last, that humble single cell hypostasis has the ONLY possibility, indeed mandate, and tools, to HAVE a finger... YOU, Your Enhypostatic Excellence, do NOT have such a possibility nor a mandate, which is why feeble scientists seek to steal that possibility from those hypostases who DO have it...
Arsenios

That "last" part of yours is pretty funny, whatever it could possibly mean.

I suggest you look up "flesh" in a dictionary, and try to reconcile it with a singe cell (which is invisible to the naked eye, of course).

 

[Arsenios]

You are making it so much easier to walk away again.
I don't like to keep people on ignore too long.
Funny thing is, the ones I have ignored seem to
have left or been banned, one-or-other.

Glad to be making it easier for you...

Helping the unrepentant is no small matter...

So I will look forward to seeing you when you take me off ignore...

Would you please pray for me while I am on your ignore list?

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

That "last" part of yours is pretty funny, whatever it could possibly mean.

I suggest you look up "flesh" in a dictionary, and try to reconcile it with a singe cell (which is invisible to the naked eye, of course).

The whole person (hypostasis) is present in that single cell embryo...

It is called CREATION...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

I suggest you look up "flesh" in a dictionary, and try to reconcile it with a singe cell (which is invisible to the naked eye, of course).

Steaks, right?

Ya can't look at it, charbroil it, and eat it, it ain't flesh, right?

Arsenios

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Christianity disciples union with the Creator of the whole universe and all who are within creation...
John recognized his Creator when he was 6 months old in the womb...
His Creator was in another woman's womb...

Get over it...

And you're welcome!

Arsenios the Fairly Delightful!

FAIRLY ? Are yE kiddin?

Get over your quite possible FALSITY? I suppose I will, though it is difficult.
(She Nazarates, if ye know wat i men.)

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

The whole person (hypostasis) is present in that single cell embryo...

It is called CREATION...

Arsenios

Oh now you are creating?
(Mythology, I suppose.)

Oh now a person is a "hy post asis" ? Wat kind of post ist tat?

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Steaks, right?

Ya can't look at it, charbroil it, and eat it, it ain't flesh, right?

Arsenios

Ift ye ayE so.
Anything for a steak! (Are ye a Jehovah WItness?)

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Christianity disciples union with the Creator of the whole universe and all who are within creation...
John recognized his Creator when he was 6 months old in the womb...
His Creator was in another woman's womb...

Get over it...

And you're welcome!

Arsenios the Fairly Delightful!

Why wasn't he six years old in the womb? Didn't a sperm and an egg sit around in there that long?
(Not even a freezer in a womb to store them, I suppose!)

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Codependency is utterly appropriate with God...
Adam went "independent" and you know the results...

When a Christian or anyone else asks a Christian for their prayers of intercession,
then that Christian should find great Joy in doing so...

IF they reply with scorn and derision...
They are not extending the Love of God...

Repent and be Baptized!
The Kingdom of Heaven!
Is at Hand!

Will you please pray for me?
I am not the Lone Stranger...

And yes, I am looking to manipulate you into the Love of God...
By seeking your fervent prayers of intercession for me...

You see, my Dear...
Here is the deal...

When you are praying for someone like me...
It is harder for you to deal unrighteously...
With the person for whom you are praying...

Is THAT manipulative enough???
"And on earth Peace...
And Good Will Among Men..."

Arsenios

"
It is harder for you to deal unrighteously...
With the person for whom you are praying..." is A VERY GOOD POINT !

Incipient SARCASM, oh in____ment by sarcasm, oh of course.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Douglas Hendrickson said: ↑
Your saying so does not make it so.
I think you have no idea what a human being is, what it is to be a being that is an actual animal, a member of a species.

No real pigs live in a pig belly, and EGGS ARE NOT CHICKENS.
A farmer does not have a whole lot more livestock if he happens to have a bunch of pregnant animals.

The problem here is that you are comparing human life to that of other animals. People are not simply animals, we are created in the image of God. Such goes beyond our physical being and none of the animals were created likewise.

I don't think I am comparing human beings to other animals; I am certainly not comparing human life to anything. I do not here speak of "human life." A human being is not mere human life, for the cancer tumor is also human life.
Which also means that "human life" is not necessarily a human being, though it may be.

What I am doing here is pointing out that HUMAN BEINGS ARE ANIMALS, members of the animal kingdom. And not plants.
(I suppose that is what you object to - perish the thought that human beings are animals. But it is the most basic biology.

You can say it is untrue that human beings are animals, but check what "animal" means in a dictionary. Yes I know there is one usage that contrasts it with "humans," the thought being that humans are not mere animals. But they are certainly not plants, they are certainly living things and they are certainly animals. You can not like that being said, but it is the truth!
(Actually it's a very neutral truth and nothing bad about it - it is not bad to not be a plant.

Looking again at what you say (I was told by Arsenios to do that!) I see you refer to "other animals" (though you incorrectly identify "human beings" as "human life"). You say we are "not simply animals, we are created in the image of God - I agree with that! I never said otherwise.
My point is at an earlier point, one might say, to insist we are indeed animals (the logic is that we must be animals if we are "not simply animals"). Also, we are not merely animals being created, we are born animals, living breathing (God bestowed the breath of life upon mankind) human beings. (Even if born pre-maturely and requiring extra help to sustain the breathing, etc.)
Hi amariselle, thanks for all the good discussion!

 

[amariselle]

Douglas Hendrickson said: ↑
Your saying so does not make it so.
I think you have no idea what a human being is, what it is to be a being that is an actual animal, a member of a species.

No real pigs live in a pig belly, and EGGS ARE NOT CHICKENS.
A farmer does not have a whole lot more livestock if he happens to have a bunch of pregnant animals.


I don't think I am comparing human beings to other animals; I am certainly not comparing human life to anything. I do not here speak of "human life." A human being is not mere human life, for the cancer tumor is also human life.
Which also means that "human life" is not necessarily a human being, though it may be.

What I am doing here is pointing out that HUMAN BEINGS ARE ANIMALS, members of the animal kingdom. And not plants.
(I suppose that is what you object to - perish the thought that human beings are animals. But it is the most basic biology.

You can say it is untrue that human beings are animals, but check what "animal" means in a dictionary. Yes I know there is one usage that contrasts it with "humans," the thought being that humans are not mere animals. But they are certainly not plants, they are certainly living things and they are certainly animals. You can not like that being said, but it is the truth!
(Actually it's a very neutral truth and nothing bad about it - it is not bad to not be a plant.

Looking again at what you say (I was told by Arsenios to do that!) I see you refer to "other animals" (though you incorrectly identify "human beings" as "human life"). You say we are "not simply animals, we are created in the image of God - I agree with that! I never said otherwise.
My point is at an earlier point, one might say, to insist we are indeed animals (the logic is that we must be animals if we are "not simply animals"). Also, we are not merely animals being created, we are born animals, living breathing (God bestowed the breath of life upon mankind) human beings. (Even if born pre-maturely and requiring extra help to sustain the breathing, etc.)
Hi amariselle, thanks for all the good discussion!

You're welcome. Thank you as well.

 

[Arsenios]

Arsenios the Fairly Delightful

FAIRLY ? Are yE kiddin?

Oh ye of short term memory loss!

You had written, my Dear:

You are fairly delightful to dialogue with - THANKS !

So yes, by YOUR word, FAIRLY!

Get over your quite possible FALSITY?

Not FALSITY...
But instead:
The fact that John the Baptist, in his 6th month of existence from conception...
Recognized Christ in the womb of the Blessed Virgin...
When she visited her kinswoman Elizabeth, who said:
Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

(She Nazarates, if ye know wat i men.)

Forgive me, I am clueless on what you mean...

I remain your faithful and fairly delightful dialogist...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Douglas Hendrickson said: ↑

I think you have no idea what a human being is,
what it is to be a being that is an actual animal,
a member of a species.

You left out the part about being filled with death...

Christians, in that death, and in Christ's Death to that death, are filled with Life...

No real pigs live in a pig belly, and EGGS ARE NOT CHICKENS.

By this logic, piglets are not pigs, and chicks are not chickens...
So we can kill post natal babies too?
But then you have to listen to the screams...

A farmer does not have a whole lot more livestock
if he happens to have a bunch of pregnant animals.

Of course he does... A pregnant cow is worth more than a barren old one...

I don't think I am comparing human beings to other animals;

You are arguing from cattle and pigs to human beings created in the image of God who are suffering now in the fallen condition of both man and creation after the fall of Adam... Hence you ARE comparing man to other animals...

I am certainly not comparing human life to anything.

Have you ever heard of "Do and Deny"?

I do not here speak of "human life." A human being is not mere human life, for the cancer tumor is also human life.

By killing human beings you call cancer human???

You got yourself painted into a smelly corner here...

Which also means that "human life" is not necessarily a human being, though it may be.

did I mention VERY smelly...

What I am doing here is pointing out that HUMAN BEINGS ARE ANIMALS, members of the animal kingdom. And not plants.

Only in their fallen condition...

(I suppose that is what you object to - perish the thought that human beings are animals. But it is the most basic biology.

Biology is a fallen science... Adam did not study biology... Nor will we in the Age to Come...

You can say it is untrue that human beings are animals, but check what "animal" means in a dictionary. Yes I know there is one usage that contrasts it with "humans," the thought being that humans are not mere animals. But they are certainly not plants, they are certainly living things and they are certainly animals. You can not like that being said, but it is the truth!

So is the Risen Christ an animal? The very Christ who passed though walls, appeared out of thin air, and disappeared, after eating fish and honeycomb?

(Actually it's a very neutral truth and nothing bad about it - it is not bad to not be a plant.

What have you got against plants???

Looking again at what you say (I was told by Arsenios to do that!) I see you refer to "other animals" (though you incorrectly identify "human beings" as "human life"). You say we are "not simply animals, we are created in the image of God - I agree with that! I never said otherwise.

Hooray! My dyslexic friend is right! There ISADOG!

My point is at an earlier point, one might say, to insist we are indeed animals (the logic is that we must be animals if we are "not simply animals"). Also, we are not merely animals being created, we are born animals, living breathing (God bestowed the breath of life upon mankind) human beings. (Even if born pre-maturely and requiring extra help to sustain the breathing, etc.)

"For Behold! I have overcome the world..."

Christ did not incarnate in order for us to BE ANIMALS because we are BORN ANIMALS... The Way of Christ is the OVERCOMING of our animal nature... We mortify our flesh, make it deadened, that we find Life in Christ...

IF we do not, then we become mere animals, eating, fornicating, and dying, and in that life that IS death, we will try to deny even the possibility of Divine Life in Christ...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

"
It is harder for you to deal unrighteously...
With the person for whom you are praying..." is A VERY GOOD POINT !

Incipient SARCASM, oh in____ment by sarcasm, oh of course.

Well you're gonna have to confess...
That I never even once said...
That I play fair...

But I did once say...
And repeat often...
Nobody gets off light!

So THERE!

Glad you liked the post...

I am assuming that you are praying for me...

Even if but subliminally...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Why wasn't he six years old in the womb? Didn't a sperm and an egg sit around in there that long?
(Not even a freezer in a womb to store them, I suppose!)

By animal standards, human beings are ALL born totally premature...
Think about it...
Most animals are fully operational in a year...
Some the very day of their emergence...
Some take a few years...

But man needs a good 13 years after birth...

18-21 is better...

A mother's work is never done...

Life begets life...

Ask God...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

That "last" part of yours is pretty funny, whatever it could possibly mean.

I suggest you look up "flesh" in a dictionary, and try to reconcile it with a singe cell (which is invisible to the naked eye, of course).

All flesh is made up of single cells...

Each one has dna and all kinds of stuff going on in it...

Do we have to re-write a faulty dictionary too??

I still think you have a steak-understanding of flesh...

A.

 

[Emmy]

Dear amariselle. Some times it does seem a losing battle we are fighting against the many Odds, but Jesus gave us a good weapon in Matthew 22: 35-40: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, strength and with all thy might. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Love is a Christian`s weapon, Love and Joy combined make life
worth living. God is Love and God wants loving sons and daughters. Love is also very catching, and love can overcome all obstacles. In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: " Ask and you shall receive, we ask for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. (neighbour is all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends)
We keep asking and receiving, then thank God and share all love and joy with all around us. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us and carry on be loving and kind, caring and forgiving and helping.
The Holy Spirit will help and guide us, and Jesus our Saviour will lead us all the way: JESUS IS THE WAY.
The Bible tells us to " Repent and be Born Again," we give up all selfish and unloving wants, and start loving and caring. Gradually we will turn into the men and women which God our Heavenly Father wants us to be.
I say this with love, amariselle. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Goodbook]

Well God knows us right from the womb forming our inward parts, knitting us together.
Even John the baptist leaped for joy in his mother elizabeths womb.

I think He is devasted that anyone would kill what He made in his image, and babies do not have a chance to be choose between good or evil, or sin yet.

God knew that Rebekah would have twins. He knows! Theres IS life before birth.

Just because a seed hasnt sprouted from the soil, doesnt mean it hasnt started growing.
Remember also when Jesus was born king herod wanted to kill everyone under the age of two. Well how much worse would it have been if the messiah was aborted because Some demon told Mary she would have all this trouble and joseph would abandon her. Did the angels do that? No way. They protected Jesus even before he was born.