A Losing Battle

[dqhall]

I would have to agree with you, sadly, there isn't a lot of desire to discuss the issue at all. Lesson learned, I will go elsewhere, because I still believe that there are many out there who do want to talk about it, and who do admit it's happening (abortions for the sake of convenience).

The good lord taught we should abstain from sexual immorality. Premarital and extramarital sex is wrong. With better planning some abortions might be prevented. Some abortions were done to save the life of the mother or prevent the birth of a severely deformed fetus, thus the process has some supporters among lawyers and legislators. I think morning after rape abortion pills may be practical as the fetus has not had time to take a definite form and the act was not consensual or practical. To end this type of pill, one ought to find a way to end rape.

 

[Emmy]

Dear amariselle. I believe William Wilberforce, there is still hope. Jesus gives us good advice in Matthew 22. 35-40.
"The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." Verse 40 tells us: On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: " Ask and you shall receive." We ask God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour.
( our neighbour is all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends) Let us give up all our selfish wants and wishes, and treat all as we would love to be treated, kindly and with love and friendly words of advice ALWAYS.
The Bible tells us: " Repent and be Born Again," we give up all selfishness and be loving, kind and be helpful. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and start loving and caring all over again.
This imperfect world of ours, must always remember to love and be kind and friendly. The Holy Spirit and our Saviour Jesus Christ, will help and guide us: JESUS IS THE WAY.
To be loving and kind will make us the men and women which God wants us to be. We have nothing to lose but very much to gain. Let us turn our battle, into a winning battle, and Love is very catching. I say this with love, amariselle.
Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[SkyWriting]

Okay, so it never comes down to convenience. What are some of the reasons then, why mothers abort their children?

Men act as if they care....then bolt at pregnancy.
Men act like they have a career, then quit their jobs.
Men act like they will care for a child for life, then get a new girlfriend.
Men take care of a baby for a year, then leave.
Men act sober, then start drinking.
Men act kind, then start hitting their wives or their kids.
Mom leaves their life.
Mom dies.
Dad dies.
Dad acts like he will help daughter, but doesn't.
Girl has trouble with first birth.
Girl has trouble with second birth.
Girl has no health care.
Girl looses healthcare.

I know one girl who did not abort the baby she got from her step-dad. (yes- he got jail time)
Her mother brought it in to middle-school one day for her classmates to see.
G-Mom might not have the time for another baby.
G-Mom may find it inconvenient.

 

[Arsenios]

This has been on my heart lately. The last few days I have been trying my best to take a stand for the sanctity of ALL human life. Sometimes it feels like this is a losing battle to be honest, but I know I have to keep trying.
-----------------------------------------------
I have decided to remove the rest of my posts because although I was only trying to share what was on my heart and take a stand for all the precious, unborn babies and their mothers and families, and I was hoping to share that with other Christians, I was instead accused of seeking adoration and likes.

I have no need to be adored, I was only hoping to find more Christians who are also heartbroken by what they see happening in the world today.

My apologies to anyone I hurt or offended.

I pray that you will not, for these reasons, abandon your advocacy
for those whose unheard struggles are swallowed in dark silence...

Their voices cannot be heard...
Yours, however imperfectly, can...

God Bless You...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

If not, then you're a hypocrite.

Will you please pray for her?

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Actually, to be a stickler about it, strictly speaking, ALL human life is not sacred and intrinsically valuable.

If one is allowed to consider a little the truth of it, cancer cells are human cells (when they are) and cancer cells are alive (when they are, unfortunately), so they are correctly called "human life" and I suspect you would not want to be calling them sacred and not to be destroyed.

Cancer cells are human life??

Allrighteythen!!



Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

dhh712 said: ↑
We don't know what reasons God has for bringing souls into families that are destitute; we who are professing Christians should do what we can to help those who don't have that much temporal wealth.
The way I read it, she is saying: "God brings souls into families that are destitute." Is that not blaming God for parents having children?

No - Not even close...

Try gratitude rather than blaming...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Trying to have children kills 50% of them.

And having kills the other 50%???

Why do you go on living then?

Punching someone in the nose or not...


You will be murdered by your mother...???

That is an utterly dismal view of God's Creation!

Where is your Joy???

Arsenios

ps - Most killers do hate being called killers...
Some of them even hate being called haters...
Some will even get violent about it...
I mean, they DO have FEELINGS, after all...

Very few of them have empathy...
For the child in the Garden...
In the womb of her mother...
As she dies from mutilation...

 

[SkyWriting]

Very few of them have empathy...
For the child in the Garden...
In the womb of her mother...
As she dies from mutilation...

And you are showing none for the ones the womb rejects
and they die just the same, rejected.
So we are even now.

 

[Arsenios]

And you are showing none for the ones the womb rejects
and they die just the same, rejected.
So we are even now.

We mourn for those who are lost to mis-carriage...
And we pray for them...
Hence they do not die rejected...

SkyWriting, your profound cynicism is not Christian...

Arsenios

 

[SkyWriting]

We mourn for those who are lost to mis-carriage...
And we pray for them...
Hence they do not die rejected...
SkyWriting, your profound cynicism is not Christian...
Arsenios

That's pretty close to a forum violation,
Brother Arsenios.
I'd watch my mouth if I were you.

 

[amariselle]

That's pretty close to a forum violation,
Brother Arsenios.

I wonder if saying you are going to punch another Christian in the nose is likewise a forum violation?

Why is it that as Christians we cannot be honest about this issue? (Without resorting to personal attacks)

 

[amariselle]

And you are showing none for the ones the womb rejects
and they die just the same, rejected.
So we are even now.

"We are even now"? Talking about the value of ALL human life shouldn't come down to this. Not between Christians anyway.

Just because someone is heartbroken about all of the abortions happening every single day, does not mean they don't care about miscarriages. Why can't both abortion and miscarriage grieve us?

 

[SkyWriting]

Very few of them have empathy...
For the child in the Garden...
In the womb of her mother...
As she dies from mutilation...

And that is completely incorrect.
Not one person has ever been
found who did not suffer from
the reality of what they were
involved in.

 

[amariselle]

And that is completely incorrect.
Not one person has ever been
found who did not suffer from
the reality of what they were
involved in.

That is actually exactly what I've been trying to say when the issue of abortion comes up. Maybe you've read what others have said on these forums, but some Atheists in particular are saying that people who choose to have abortions are quite happy with their decision. I have tried to stand up and say that this is far from the truth, however they reference statistics and phone surveys as evidence that women never regret having an abortion and throw out every personal story I reference as "mere anecdotes."

I think our fight is against this mentality, not against one another as Christians.

 

[Arsenios]

That's pretty close to a forum violation,
Brother Arsenios.
I'd watch my mouth if I were you.

Will you please forgive my mouth?
And will you please pray for me, a sinner?

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

And that is completely incorrect.
Not one person has ever been
found who did not suffer from
the reality of what they were
involved in.

Guilt is not empathy...

Yes, they suffer -
Even those with "No regrets"...

So did Judas after the Death of Christ...
And he killed himself...
Too much suffering...
Too much pride...

Suffering guilt is not empathy...

How many know the life of the child in the womb?
How many can remember what it was?
How can one empathize with what they do not know?

But God knows...
God remembers...
God heals...

Suffering guilt is a hard gift...
For killers who do not have empathy...
Or who having it do not care...

But it can be a beginning...

The fruit of the Holy Spirit of God is Love, Joy and Peace,
How can these possibly abound amidst such suffering?

Arsenios

 

[Blade]

amariselle.. look through HIS eyes not mans. Yes this can really be done. Remember this life is not the real one. We only see flesh. No one dies here and is gone forever. And the evil someone does to anyone anything it does not stay with them after this life when they are with Him. It is as if it never happen. There is no sin that can go there. No evil will be there. Jesus healed all that came to Him...what do you think would escape this life and make it there? Sorry getting lost..

ALL good things come for God. You can ask most believers how long has Jesus been with you? Most if truthful would say most their life they never seen Him never felt Him and if not for the word that says He is with us in us.. He was never here. Yet He will show us the countless times He saved us helped us and we never new it was Him. Point God is out there doing far more GOOD then all the evil we see. God never shows off ever. So He will never have to make sure..HEY LOOK ITS ME GOD! But HE is ..out there. So all the evil we see.. our Farther is doing far more GOOD!

God loves us so much..so when someone dies very young.. God does not like this. He loves us so much..He want everyone to have the chance to choose even at the risk of losing them forever. Ah..but its not as easy as MAN says to be lost. Easier to be saved.

 

[SkyWriting]

Will you please forgive my mouth?
And will you please pray for me, a sinner?
Arsenios

I do not pray for other people. I've found that prayer only changes me, not others.
And it gives God an opportunity to let me know He's listening. But it never helps
others beyond how it changes me. And you don't need my forgiveness for anything.
I have no authority.

 

[SkyWriting]

How many know the life of the child in the womb?
How many can remember what it was?
How can one empathize with what they do not know?

I don't remember much before age 10.
So I can't emphasize with anyone
younger than that I guess.

Oddly, I manage very well with kids
by loving them anyway.