A Losing Battle

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Is he really denying that John in the womb at 6 months recognized Jesus in the womb at a few days when their pregnant mothers met?

I thought he was a Christian...??

Oh well...

Arsenios

So now Christians are supposed to think fetuses have superhuman powers ? Not only can a six month fetus recognize that a real person in the same house (or not even quite yet in the same house?) is pregnant, but recognize that the pregnancy will be a certain person born? INCREDIBLE!
Recognize what not even Scripture clearly recognizes? There does not seem to be warrant for claiming Mary was already pregnant when she came visiting; Luke 1:48 may be referring to the visit of the angel and the promise that she very much took to heart.

You are fairly delightful to dialogue with - THANKS !

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

But it is a human being.

Your saying so does not make it so.
I think you have no idea what a human being is, what it is to be a being that is an actual animal, a member of a species.

No real pigs live in a pig belly, and EGGS (even when fertilized) ARE NOT CHICKENS.
A farmer does not have a whole lot more livestock if he happens to have a bunch of pregnant animals.

 

[amariselle]

Your saying so does not make it so.
I think you have no idea what a human being is, what it is to be a being that is an actual animal, a member of a species.

No real pigs live in a pig belly, and EGGS ARE NOT CHICKENS.
A farmer does not have a whole lot more livestock if he happens to have a bunch of pregnant animals.

The problem here is that you are comparing human life to that of other animals. People are not simply animals, we are created in the image of God. Such goes beyond our physical being and none of the animals were created likewise.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well you seem to have this big hairy deal reticence to pray for another sinner like me...

Remembering the conversation won't help...

Praying for me will help...

A lot...

I will keep coming back to you on this...

It is important...

"EVERYTHING by prayer and intercession..."

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[SkyWriting]

I know, I started this thread to talk about abortions done for convenience, but that's not where it ended up. Thank you for the encouragement.

There is not much to discuss about what doesn't exist.
Perhaps others support your notion.

 

[SkyWriting]

Babies do far more than move in response to being disturbed. They are very much alive and can feel, suck their thumbs, yawn, etc. We have extremely advanced ultrasound technology now that allows us to see unborn babies in the womb. We no longer have any excuse for believing they are not human beings.

I don't think anyone does think that they are not.
Check my blog under "Answered Prayer" and scroll down.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

amariselle said: ↑
I know, I started this thread to talk about abortions done for convenience, but that's not where it ended up. Thank you for the encouragement.

There is not much to discuss about what doesn't exist.
Perhaps others support your notion.

Some seem to think (almost?) all abortions are mere matters of convenience, and can be dismissed as that. That is the reason, why it is done.
(I certainly think the considerations are generally much more consequential things.)

 

[Arsenios]

↑
In case you don't know, adults generally have real fingers.

.............!!!NEWS-FLASH!!!............

REAL FINGERS RECENTLY FOUND

.....ON BABIES IN THE WOMB......

Oh sure.

Finally! We get to agree on at least something!! Hooray!!!

How do you figure that?

Facts of reality, logic, and commons sense...

Your "headline" claims there are real fingers in the womb - when it uses the term "babies" for what is found there is at best a linguistic distortion.

Now c'mon... Are you seriously going to argue that babies do not live in the womb before they are born?

Don't you know that this is udderly indefensible?

That there are no fingers in the womb prior to birth, but that suddenly, upon uterine deposition, the hands in that event all of a sudden now have fingers???

And in case you don't know it, the single cell embryo is not even flesh, has not even the barest possibility of having a finger.

Now you are arguing that embryos are not flesh... You must argue that amoebae are not flesh... Do you think that flesh is only what you can butcher and fry up a steak from?? And against your last, that humble single cell hypostasis has the ONLY possibility, indeed mandate, and tools, to HAVE a finger... YOU, Your Enhypostatic Excellence, do NOT have such a possibility nor a mandate, which is why feeble scientists seek to steal that possibility from those hypostases who DO have it...

Nazi's did the same when they looted Germany... Kill the owner and steal her wealth... It is a formulaic known since Cain killed Abel... The scientists simply go to the one who HAS the wealth that they do NOT have, and kill her and take her DNA...

But really, do you not think that fleshless embryo is a kind of oymoron???

Would that be an inorganic embryo?

Arsenios

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

I don't think anyone does think that they are not.
Check my blog under "Answered Prayer" and scroll down.

Are you kidding?
See my post # 142, just 4 before yours.

 

[SkyWriting]

amariselle said: ↑
I know, I started this thread to talk about abortions done for convenience, but that's not where it ended up. Thank you for the encouragement.

Some seem to think (almost?) all abortions are mere matters of convenience, and can be dismissed as that. That is the reason, why it is done. (I certainly think the considerations are generally much more consequential things.)

I don't blame such people. I once thought the same.
Life provided me other lessons to learn. I've been to
abortion protests. Being there, I decided that
opponents were not taking in the entire situation
and instead focusing on events much to far along to
get involved in. Protesting abortions at a clinic is
taking the lazy way out of solving the problem.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Finally! We get to agree on at least something!! Hooray!!!

Facts of reality, logic, and commons sense... Arsenios

Yah, I guess that is all I would have to do to prove the moon is made of green cheese.
Say "Facts of reality, logic, and commons sense... " and PRESTO!

(Better watch how we talk about giving fingers.)

 

[Arsenios]

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Codependency is utterly appropriate with God...
Adam went "independent" and you know the results...

When a Christian or anyone else asks a Christian for their prayers of intercession,
then that Christian should find great Joy in doing so...

IF they reply with scorn and derision...
They are not extending the Love of God...

Repent and be Baptized!
The Kingdom of Heaven!
Is at Hand!

Will you please pray for me?
I am not the Lone Stranger...

And yes, I am looking to manipulate you into the Love of God...
By seeking your fervent prayers of intercession for me...

You see, my Dear...
Here is the deal...

When you are praying for someone like me...
It is harder for you to deal unrighteously...
With the person for whom you are praying...

Is THAT manipulative enough???
"And on earth Peace...
And Good Will Among Men..."

Arsenios

 

[amariselle]

I don't blame such people. I once thought the same.
Life provided me other lessons to learn. I've been to
abortion protests. Being there, I decided that
opponents were not taking in the entire situation
and instead focusing on events much to far along to
get involved in. Protesting abortions at a clinic is
taking the lazy way out of solving the problem.

I've never protested at abortion clinics myself or been in any way involved in this. Personally, I think we do much more good in actually meeting with people and forming a relationship, not just by marching around sticking angry signs in people's faces. (And this is done by BOTH "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" individuals. Sadly, it gets us nowhere.

 

[Arsenios]

Yah, I guess that is all I would have to do to prove the moon is made of green cheese.
Say "Facts of reality, logic, and commons sense... " and PRESTO!

(Better watch how we talk about giving fingers.)

Thank-you for sharing your feelings...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

I've never protested at abortion clinics myself or been in any way involved in this. Personally, I think we do much more good in actually meeting with people and forming a relationship, not just by marching around sticking angry signs in people's faces. (And this is done by BOTH "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" individuals. Sadly, it gets us nowhere.

Solzhenytsin did not call for the killing of the killers, but for their repentance from killing...

Arsenios

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Now c'mon... Are you seriously going to argue that babies do not live in the womb before they are born?
Don't you know that this is udderly indefensible? Arsenios

If there's an udder, there must be a baby, right?

See my post #142, just six before yours, and tell me what is untrue about it.

 

[Arsenios]

Protesting abortions at a clinic
is taking the lazy way
out of solving the problem.

Nice evasion by diversion...
Who can disagree?

Arsenios

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Thank-you for sharing your feelings...

Arsenios

Oh, and what feeling was that I shared? A finger feeling?
(Perhaps I should say "what feelings"?)

 

[SkyWriting]

Nice evasion by diversion...
Who can disagree?
Arsenios

Thank you.

 

[Arsenios]

So now Christians are supposed to think fetuses have superhuman powers ? Not only can a six month fetus recognize that a real person in the same house (or not even quite yet in the same house?) is pregnant, but recognize that the pregnancy will be a certain person born? INCREDIBLE!
Recognize what not even Scripture clearly recognizes? There does not seem to be warrant for claiming Mary was already pregnant when she came visiting; Luke 1:48 may be referring to the visit of the angel and the promise that she very much took to heart.

You are fairly delightful to dialogue with - THANKS !

Christianity disciples union with the Creator of the whole universe and all who are within creation...
John recognized his Creator when he was 6 months old in the womb...
His Creator was in another woman's womb...

Get over it...

And you're welcome!

Arsenios the Fairly Delightful!