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A Fundamental Philosophical Error within Theories of Evolution.

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You seem to be confusing "scientific predictions" with "telling the future".
Science predictions do not anticipate the future? All we have to do is Google. Science predictions fo the future.
20 Big Questions about the Future of Humanity
Evolution theory, like any other theory, is a testable description of reality and it makes predictions about what kind of data we should and shouldn't find. A scientific theory is not some kind of "prophecy".
See above. Reading a book entitled Pandemic by Sonia Shaw where it is predicted the development of untreatable infections due to the overuse of antibiotics. That was a future prediction. Mesopotamian cylinder.

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If humans and Dinos have been seperated by millions of years then there should be none of this nor should there be soft tissue in Dino bones. These are just a few things ignored by true believers. If the above pic illustrates what they saw then evolution is effectively falsified.

The population argument alone does not jibe with humans being here for 200 K years.

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This is called actual evidence from history which falsifies evolution.
 
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Does it really need explaining how absurd it is to have life that uses photosynthesis, before there are any photons being bombarded on them?

Even St Augustine (fourth century) realised that it didn't exactly make a whole lot of sense for there to be light before there was a Sun. YECs are about seventeen centuries behind the times.

They'll soon catch up.
 
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Science predictions do not anticipate the future? All we have to do is Google. Science predictions fo the future.
20 Big Questions about the Future of Humanity
See above. Reading a book entitled Pandemic by Sonia Shaw where it is predicted the development of untreatable infections due to the overuse of antibiotics. That was a future prediction.

Either way, predictions in science are about inferring the implications of an existing theory. Some of the things inferred will in principle be capable of observation in the present, and if they are in fact observed the theory can be regarded as correct.

It can then be expected, with some confidence, that predictions which the theory can make about the future will also prove correct.

But only for those predictions the theory CAN make about the future. You cannot use the Theory of Evolution to predict next week's weather.
 
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Science predictions do not anticipate the future? All we have to do is Google. Science predictions fo the future.

20 Big Questions about the Future of Humanity

We're talking about scientific predictions in context of a specific scientific theory.

Your link has nothing to do with that.
See above. Reading a book entitled Pandemic by Sonia Shaw where it is predicted the development of untreatable infections due to the overuse of antibiotics.

Still not the same. Still not understanding it.

A scientific prediction of a theory concerns what data we should and shouldn't find in the world as a means to test the theory.

The stuff about overuse of antibiotics is not such a prediction. It is more of a warning, which assumes evolution theory to be accurate, about a possible future where bacteria become immune to anti-biotics through evolutionary processes. Much like how certain insects became immune to specific pesticides due to overusing them.

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If humans and Dinos have been seperatedby millions of years then there should be none of this

Why not?
First, how have you determined that these things are dino's and not just "artistic imagination" of mythical creatures which happened to look a bit like a certain dino?

Second, did you think the fossils of dino's have only existed since the time we started digging them up? Has it occured to you that ancient people might have found such fossils as well?

nor should there be soft tissue in Dino bones.

Perhaps you should inform yourself on the explanation of that:
Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained
“Soft Tissue” in Dinosaur Bones: What Does the Evidence Really Say?

These are just a few things ignored by true believers.

The only one engaged in ignoring things here, is you. The level of projection here, is quite fascinating.

If the above pic illustrates what they saw then evolution is effectively falsified.

Why?

The population argument alone does not jibe with humans being here for 200 K years.

What population argument? You mean the one that ignores that in the past 200 years, we have trippled general life expectancy while also bringing infant mortality to an all-time low?

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This is called actual evidence from history which falsifies evolution.

lol!
 
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We're talking about scientific predictions in context of a specific scientific theory.

Your link has nothing to do with that.


Still not the same. Still not understanding it.
Quote. From Google.

''In science, a prediction is a rigorous, often quantitative, statement, forecasting what would happen under specific conditions; for example, if an apple fell from a tree it would be attracted towards the center of the earth by gravity with a specified and constant acceleration.''

So can you forecast the future of Giraffes and Polar Bears with all that data you'all have? Inquiring minds want to know? And if you can't then is it really science in the first place?

A scientific prediction of a theory concerns what data we should and shouldn't find in the world as a means to test the theory.
Right and if humans and dinos are separated by millions of years then you should not find artists renditions of Sauropods on Mesopotamian cylinders. The fact we find them means they were not separated. They were depicting what they saw is the most plausible.

The stuff about overuse of antibiotics is not such a prediction.
it is a future prediction based on their present data.
It is more of a warning, which assumes evolution theory to be accurate, about a possible future where bacteria become immune to anti-biotics through evolutionary processes. Much like how certain insects became immune to specific pesticides due to overusing them.
It does not validate evolution since the disease is the same with the same symptoms. Nobody disputes micro changes.

Why not?
First, how have you determined that these things are dino's and not just "artistic imagination" of mythical creatures which happened to look a bit like a certain dino?
Well don't believe your own eyes. Show it to any child unhindered by prejudices and ask them what it depicts.

Second, did you think the fossils of dino's have only existed since the time we started digging them up? Has it occured to you that ancient people might have found such fossils as well?
LOL!

Perhaps you should inform yourself on the explanation of that:
That is called damage control after the fact. Show us where any evolutionist predicted soft dino tissue in bones 75 million years old before their discovery.
What population argument? You mean the one that ignores that in the past 200 years, we have trippled general life expectancy while also bringing infant mortality to an all-time low?

Where are all the people? - creation.com

Population growth is in regressive cultures like Africa where modern medicine is not much of a factor and disease is rampant. You can check the population charts and compare them to disease in Africa.
 
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Quote. From Google.

''In science, a prediction is a rigorous, often quantitative, statement, forecasting what would happen under specific conditions; for example, if an apple fell from a tree it would be attracted towards the center of the earth by gravity with a specified and constant acceleration.''

Yes. In this case, the prediction is, exactly as I stated, a statement within the context of the theory about what data we should and shouldn't find in reality.

It is not the same as "telling the future". In your example, it is a statement about how objects with mass interact with other objects with mass according to the theory.

Also note the words "rigorous", "quantitative" and "under specific conditions".

So can you forecast the future of Giraffes and Polar Bears with all that data you'all have?

This is not a thing that is quantifiable nore does it involve specific conditions.
This is just requesting us to "tell the future". I hope it's clear now. My guess though, is that it isn't.

And if you can't then is it really science in the first place?

Yes, evolution is a science which makes rigorous, often quantitative, statements, forecasting what should and shouldn't be observed in reality if the theory is accurate.

Right and if humans and dinos are separated by millions of years then you should not find artists renditions of Sauropods on Mesopotamian cylinders.

I wouldn't know why not. We were able to find the remains, I see no reason why ancients wouldn't have been able to find them as well.

And let's not forget that that is all assuming that these things are actually depictions of dino's, which seems incredibly unlikely. It's just an assumption that you are making, but when an ancient artifact depicts a lion with wings or centaurs or whatever, I'll go a ahead and assume that you don't believe that those creatures really roamed the earth at some time. Right? .....right?

It's not like the shape of a regular dino is so far-fetched that the ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION of such a somewhat similar depiction is that they lived among them......

Nobody disputes micro changes.

Only creationists pretend that somehow "micro evolution" is something different then "macro evolution".

Well don't believe your own eyes. Show it to any child unhindered by prejudices and ask them what it depicts.

So, now we are letting children decide on what ancient artefacts are all about? Really?

That is called damage control after the fact.

You call it "damage control". Scientists call it "learning".

Show us where any evolutionist predicted soft dino tissue in bones 75 million years old before their discovery.

The preservation of stuff under certain conditions has nothing to do with evolutionary biology and everything with chemistry, geology, etc...



So yes, it concerns that silly argument.

Population growth is in regressive cultures like Africa where modern medicine is not much of a factor and disease is rampant. You can check the population charts and compare them to disease in Africa.

This is like saying "it's cold in this particular corner of the world, thereof climate change isn't real".

Population densities and growths are all accounted for dude and we do not require any supernatural extinctions 4000 years ago (not to mention that the human genome demonstrably shows as a matter of fact that the human population was never reduced to less then a couple thousand individuals).

Your "argument" are becoming sillier every post.

What's next? Photo's of giant skeletons and inca stones?
 
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Science predictions do not anticipate the future? All we have to do is Google. Science predictions fo the future.
20 Big Questions about the Future of Humanity
See above. Reading a book entitled Pandemic by Sonia Shaw where it is predicted the development of untreatable infections due to the overuse of antibiotics. That was a future prediction. Mesopotamian cylinder.

cylinder_seal_mesopotamia-sauropods.jpg


If humans and Dinos have been seperated by millions of years then there should be none of this nor should there be soft tissue in Dino bones. These are just a few things ignored by true believers. If the above pic illustrates what they saw then evolution is effectively falsified.

The population argument alone does not jibe with humans being here for 200 K years.

Sauropod++apostausurus.jpg
This is called actual evidence from history which falsifies evolution.

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Don't forget evidence of eagle headed dudes with rolex's, winged lion men etc..... checkmate evolutionists.
 
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So yes, it concerns that silly argument.
Can you explain why it is silly? You did write. , ''we have trippled general life expectancy while also bringing infant mortality to an all-time low?'' That is directly refuted in the article. Here.

''Many assume that modern medicine accounts for the world’s population growth. However, ‘third world’ countries contribute most of the population growth, suggesting that modern medicine is not as important as many think.

Population growth in a number of South American and African countries exceeds 3% per year. In many industrialized countries with modern medical facilities, the population growth is less than 0.5%. Some relatively wealthy countries are actually declining in population.''

Are you going to ignore that? You are ignoring your kneejerk assumptions.

This is like saying "it's cold in this particular corner of the world, thereof climate change isn't real".
Not really.

Population densities and growths are all accounted for dude
How so? That being if humans have been around for 200 K years and where are your empirical evidence to account for the population trends since say 1600 on to the present? Extrapolated back 200 thousand years?
and we do not require any supernatural extinctions 4000 years ago (not to mention that the human genome demonstrably shows as a matter of fact that the human population was never reduced to less then a couple thousand individuals).
How does all that jibe with current population trends?
Your "argument" are becoming sillier every post.
That is not a rational argument. How can you extrapolate current population trends back 200 thousand years? Empirical evidence, please?
World Population by Year - Worldometers
1600 500 Mil
1804 1 Bil
1927 2 Bil
1975 4 Bil
2020 8 Bil anticipated since present is +7.5 Bil.

That is exponential doubling 4 times in around 400 years. It goes from 1 to 6 bil in less then 200 years? How do you rationally account for those growth numbers with empirical evidence for humans being here for 200 thousand years?
 
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Scientists rely upon a world view and principles to propose theories.
Scientists rely upon the world. We know that humans must not have always existed. There are only so many ways we could have come about, and now we have knowledge of pretty much the entire history of life on this planet. Even if we hadn't yet conceptualized DNA, mutations, or natural selection, it wouldn't be radical to connect the dots.
 
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Can you explain why it is silly? You did write. , ''we have trippled general life expectancy while also bringing infant mortality to an all-time low?'' That is directly refuted in the article. Here.

''Many assume that modern medicine accounts for the world’s population growth. However, ‘third world’ countries contribute most of the population growth, suggesting that modern medicine is not as important as many think.

Population growth in a number of South American and African countries exceeds 3% per year. In many industrialized countries with modern medical facilities, the population growth is less than 0.5%. Some relatively wealthy countries are actually declining in population.''

That is the population growth ratio TODAY and it completely ignores everything that happened the past couple centuries.

TODAY, even with the limited access to modern medicine etc in africa, survivability rates there are still far higher then they were BEFORE that time.

Are you going to ignore that? You are ignoring your kneejerk assumptions.

I'm not ignoring anything. The "population growth" argument is about the silliest argument one could make in support of mythical floods.

Not really.

Yes, really, because it only focusses on a few local facts and it completely ignores the bigger picture as well as the explanation of those facts.

How so? That being if humans have been around for 200 K years and where are your empirical evidence to account for the population trends since say 1600 on to the present?

Extrapolated back 200 thousand years? How does all that jibe with current population trends?

Obviously we have only estimates. They are based on historical records, ancient city sizes and densities of buildings, genetics,...

That is not a rational argument. How can you extrapolate current population trends back 200 thousand years? Empirical evidence, please?

Worldwide Population Throughout Human History

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v46/n8/full/ng.3015.html
 
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That is the population growth ratio TODAY and it completely ignores everything that happened the past couple centuries.
Like what? You have a 60% increase in population in the 1800s when medicine was not a factor. All them untreatable diseases happening along with the Civil War and it still went from 1 to 1.6 bil in less than 100 yrs. Nineteenth Century Diseases
Smallpox, alone killed 300-500 Mil in the 20th century.
I'm not ignoring anything. The "population growth" argument is about the silliest argument one could make in support of mythical floods.
It jibes with the current population trends and you have two control groups. Jews and everyone else. Dismissing as a silly argument is not rational. The numbers do not lie nor do they have an agenda.

Obviously we have only estimates. They are based on historical records, ancient city sizes and densities of buildings, genetics,...
If you allow for an overall, not constant increase of .1% for 200 K then the population doubles every 700 years. If they start out with 10 K seed population then they are well over 8 bil in no time at all. It would double 285 times in 200 thousand years? Do you expect us to believe the human population basically flatlined for 190,000 years? You really have nothing post 10 K years.Let alone 100 K years ago. They have no idea what the population was and zero empirical. It is all made up. Prove it wrong.

If Darwin used his present to assume certain things about the past then by the same standards why can't we use current population trends to extrapolate back to deep time? The numbers do not ad up.
 
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Don't forget evidence of eagle headed dudes with rolex's, winged lion men etc..... checkmate evolutionists.
Does not prove anything. It appears you are saying it was mythical creatures ignores they made their renditions from real life. Evidence is not the problem in the first place.

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...So can you forecast the future of Giraffes and Polar Bears with all that data you'all have? Inquiring minds want to know? And if you can't then is it really science in the first place?
It's a pretty good bet they'll go extinct, following the 99.9% of all species that have done so. But the course of evolution is unpredictable because it depends on the interaction and feedback between random variation in creature populations and environmental selection pressures, which also involve other creatures and their evolutionary responses to selection pressures.

If you want a decent stab at the likely future of polar bears and giraffes, you'd do better to focus on climate science.
 
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Can you explain why it is silly?
Rabbits procreate a lot faster than humans. Dr Dana Krempels has done the maths for you. 4000 years would lead to an unimaginably huge rabbit population. So, why is the world not completely overrun with rabbits?
 
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Like what?

I've already told you.

You have a 60% increase in population in the 1800s when medicine was not a factor.

So right around the time of the industrial revolution, which resulted in more and better access to food, housing, water, transport,etc... ha?

You find this surprising, why exactly?


It jibes with the current population trends

No, it doesn't.

Jews and everyone else. Dismissing as a silly argument is not rational. The numbers do not lie nor do they have an agenda.

What numbers? What about jews?
ps: the one with the agenda here, is you.

If you allow for an overall, not constant increase of .1% for 200 K then the population doubles every 700 years. If they start out with 10 K seed population then they are well over 8 bil in no time at all. It would double 285 times in 200 thousand years? Do you expect us to believe the human population basically flatlined for 190,000 years?

Why would you assume that a population doubles every 700 years?

You really have nothing post 10 K years.Let alone 100 K years ago

We have genetics.

They have no idea what the population was and zero empirical.

But you do have an idea, for some mysterious reason?

It is all made up. Prove it wrong.

Population genetics is not "made up".

If Darwin used his present to assume certain things about the past then by the same standards why can't we use current population trends to extrapolate back to deep time? The numbers do not ad up.

The problem here is not the numbers. The problem is your silly assumptions about natural population growth.
 
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If humans and Dinos have been seperated by millions of years then there should be none of this nor should there be soft tissue in Dino bones. These are just a few things ignored by true believers. If the above pic illustrates what they saw then evolution is effectively falsified.

The population argument alone does not jibe with humans being here for 200 K years.

Sauropod++apostausurus.jpg
This is called actual evidence from history which falsifies evolution.
Ancient cultures (and moderns ones actually too) have phantasisied magnificient beasts:
the Minotaurus (half man half bull), the centaur (half man, half horse) the mermaid, the satir, Pegassus (a winged horse) etc.
That they depicted an animal slighttly looking like an existing is a very tiny base to reject all the conclusions made from paleontology, geology, paleoclimatology, nuclear physiscs, chemistry, dendrochronology, genetics, comparative anatomy and many more.

but hey, jedem das seine.
 
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The theory of biological Evolution is defined as


The theory of biological evolution may be reduced to one single fundamental principle, which is stated as –


The fundamental Principle of Evolutionism is - The greater is essentially caused by the lesser.


The fundamental principle of evolutionism, may be derived from the above definitions of evolution. For evolution is defined as a process whereby evolution is defined as -





Where “cumulative inherited change in a population of organisms” assumes a chronologically prior starting population that has less biological forms than the final population. The chronologically prior starting population has less forms, and is then the lesser principle of the greater biological population. Or, stated in another way, the chronologically latter population has more biological forms and is therefore the end product of the evolutionary process, whereby the latter population has the greater forms.


Hence according to the theory of biological evolution, the population of less forms becomes the population of the greater forms. As the population with greater biological forms is caused by a biological cause called mutation, then the greater biological forms are essentially caused by a biological cause within the population of lesser biological forms. As the lesser population is a group of biological forms, and the greater population is another, greater group of biological forms, then the essential cause of the process from lesser to greater is a biological mechanism, for what is of the essence of a cause (biology) is of the essence of both the lesser (biology) and the greater (biology).


Hence from the definition of biological evolution, the fundamental principle of reason which underlies the theory of biological evolution, is -


The greater is essentially caused by the lesser.


This principle is common to all theories of evolution which posit a greater from the lesser.


Thesis – To demonstrate that the fundamental principle of reason that undergirds the theory of evolution is false. Once demonstrated, several consequences of the falsity of evolutionary theory will be exposed. The fundamental principle of evolutionary theory will be reduced to that of a principle stated in terms of being. Then the statement made in terms of being will be demonstrated to be false. Once the principle is shown to be false, the principle of evolutionary theory is then shown to be false through implication.


Reduction of The Fundamental Principle of Evolutionism to That of Being.


In Defense of the Method Employed.


Any principle of reason may be reduced to a principle of being. For reason is being had in intellect in accord with the real. Therefore, if a principle is in accord with the real, then the principle in mind is sound and therefore true. If, however the principle had in mind is not in accord with the real, then the principle in mind is unsound and therefore false.


For example – the fact that ‘a tree is itself’ is a true statement concerning the reality of a tree. This example may be reduced to the statement of ‘the tree is the tree’. This statement is a reality which may be reduced to a principle of thought which is A (tree) is A (itself). In turn, the principle may be restated in terms of being as – act is act.


Or another example, the car is not the tree. The realities of car and tree in relation to each other may be reduced to that of A (car) is not B (tree). Or when reduced to terms of being, to the statement - act is not potency.


The above two examples show how the principles of thought are known to correspond to the real, when those principles are reduced to being. Hence the reduction of the fundamental principle of evolutionism to that of being is a valid method for attaining the truth value of the principle. Correspondingly, an example may also be given to show the reduction of a principle to the terms of being to show a false principle to be false. For example, as tree is not itself is purportedly a fact of the real. This purported fact is stated as a principle as A (tree) is not A (tree). This statement is further reduced to being, whereby 'being is not being'. As this statement is contradictory, then the purported fact and corresponding principle are also false.


Method Employed


Reduction of the Fundamental Principle of Evolutionism to that of a Principle of Being.


The fundamental principle of evolutionism which says the greater is essentially caused by the lesser, infers that which has more form (act) is caused by that which has less form (act). But cause (act) and form (act) are reducible to being (potency and act). Hence the fundamental principle of evolutionism may be restated in terms of being, which is –


That which has more being is caused by that which has less being.


Or restated


The fundamental principle of evolutionism is - Being in act (does be) is caused by being in potency (can be).


Or restated again in terms of the two fundamental modes of being, which are potency and act, defined as -


Act is ‘does be’.

Potency is ‘can be’.


The fundamental principle of evolutionism is - Potency actualises itself and is not actualised by another.


Demonstration of the Falsity of the Fundamental Principle of Evolutionism when Stated in Terms of Being.


The fundamental principle of evolutionism has been reduced to the fundamental principle in terms of being. As being is common to all things, then if a principle that is defined in terms of being is false, then the principle itself is false. And if the fundamental principle of Evolutionism is false, then because the principle is fundamental to biological evolution, then the theory of biological evolution is also false.


Argument Proposed


Principle Stated - Potency actualises itself and is not actualised by another.

But potency is ‘can be’ and act is ‘does be’.

But what ‘can be’ is from itself ‘can be’ and not ‘does be’.

For ‘can be’ is only a cause of change and limit of act**.

As change is not an act, and limit of an act is not an act, the ‘can be’ does not cause ‘does be’.

Therefore, potency does not from itself cause ‘does be’ (act).

Hence potency does not become an act from potency alone.

But potency becomes an act from a being other than potency, which is act.

Hence potency is actualised by another act and not from itself as potency.

And hence potency does not actualise itself.

And hence potency is then actualised by another.

Hence because the above two statements contradict the principle on line 1 above, the fundamental principle of evolutionism as stated in terms of being is false.

Hence consequently, the fundamental principle of evolutionism of the greater is essentially caused by the lesser is also false.

Hence all theories of evolution that use the fundamental principle of evolutionism are also false.

Hence the theory of biological evolution is false.


**Change is the potency to receive a new form. As change is a potency, then potency is the cause of change. Also, limit is the can be of an act. Hence potency is the cause of limit of an act. Note well – thorough arguments can be proposed to prove potency is the cause of both limit and of change. Some of those arguments may be proposed in the thread if required.


Some Consequences of the Falsity of Evolutionism


Evolution Based Science Theory is False All sciences theories that are derived from the principle of evolutionism are false. Consequently, theories such as the big bang, and biological evolution which require the greater to be caused by the lesser are false.


No Evidence in the Fossil Record for Evolution The claims of historical evidence for evolution in the fossil record is false. For no amount of apparent evidence within the fossil record can be used to support a false principle.


No Support for Evolutionary Theory from any other Science Furthermore, any science associated with evolutionary theory that purports to support the theory of biological evolution are also false. This does not mean the science itself is false. But only that the science cannot be used to support a false theory. Therefore, contrary to modern science claims, there is no science evidence in any science that supports evolutionary theory. For any true science cannot be used to support a false theory which is based upon a false principle.


Natural Selection and Mutations are an Inadequate Cause of Evolution Natural selection along with mutations are causes within biological evolutionary theory that do not act to cause the biological modifications as required by evolutionary theory. For natural selection and mutations, like any other cause, cannot be posted as a cause of a theory which is based upon a false principle. For no cause, or collection of causes can be evidence for a false principle within a theory. The inadequacy of natural selection within evolutionary theory does not mean natural selection is not real, but only that natural selection does not act to cause in accord with a false principle, as the theory of evolution proposes.


Evolution is Never Real, but only ever a Metaphor that Implies Design or Creation Every claim to a thing having evolved is only a metaphor or an error which actually means something else. For example, the company evolved means the company was developed by men. The tree evolved, means the tree was designed by a designer, or was created by a creator, or changed accidentally and not essentially (say in size).


No Experimental Evidence for Evolutionary Theory Any breeding experiments are not evidence for biological evolution. For no experiment can be evidence for a false principle, or a false theory.


The Common Ancestor Does Not Exist Any purported evidence within the biological sciences for a common ancestor is not evidence at all. For a common ancestor within the theory of evolution requires the use of the same, false principle exposed above. Typically, any biological evidence for a common ancestor is attained by implication by working backwards from the current biological evidence to a posited, past ancestor. However, by working backwards, the same false principle of evolutionism is used to arrive at a false conclusion of a common ancestor that in principle could not ever have existed. As the principle is false, then any purported evidence for a common ancestor is really evidence for another cause. Perhaps a design, or creation event, with a common designer/creator.


Evolutionism Based Worldviews are all False All worldviews associated with evolutionism may also be false. For example, pantheism says only natural causes have caused all biological life. As the evolutionary theory associated with biological life within pantheism is false, then positing only natural causes within the universe may also be false. Hence pantheism may also be false. In fact, from other arguments pantheism can be proven to be false. Such proofs correspond well with the proof of the falsity of the principle of evolutionary theory.



JM
Well lets start with the definition of evolution, 'the change of alleles in populations over time.'
 
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I've already told you.So right around the time of the industrial revolution, which resulted in more and better access to food, housing, water, transport,etc... ha? You find this surprising, why exactly?
The context of your argument was disease, and now you are switching up. Also ignoring.
What numbers? What about jews?
Did not read the link provided earlier. Try to keep up.

A remarkable coincidence?
The Jews are descendants of Jacob (also called Israel). The number of Jews in the world in 1930, before the Nazi Holocaust, was estimated at 18 million. This represents a doubling in population, on average, every 156 years, or 0.44% growth per year since Jacob. Since the Flood, after which the world population was eight, the world population has doubled every 155 years, or grown at an average of 0.45% per year. There is agreement between the growth rates for the two populations. Is this just a lucky coincidence?
Why would you assume that a population doubles every 700 years?
To show how unreasonable it is to assume humans have been around for 200 K years.
The problem here is not the numbers.
That is one of the problems. The real problem is an undying commitment to myths that ignore actual evidence. Also ignoring arguments.
The problem is your silly assumptions about natural population growth.
Why is it silly? Is that a rational argument? Darwin assumed change in his present meant change in the deep past, so again, why can't we use current population trends to extrapolate back to deep time? By the by i am still waiting for your positive case and empirical evidence for humans being here for 200 K years since it does not jibe with current population trends.
 
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