A flat earth

[Chesterton]

I have no idea why this forum, being Christian, would allow users to paste Atheist websites in here anyway.

You don't identify yourself as Christian. I have no idea why this forum would allow you to post nonsense and try to pass it off as "what Christians are bound to believe".

 

[Cabal]

Nuclear Fusion is based on two things: the Atomic Theory, and Gravity. Neither have been proven. The Atomic theory, was invented by Atheistic materalists, and the theory of Gravity was founded upon an error.

No theory is proven or provable, only disprovable - even yours. And both theories have a heck of a lot more going for them than yours.

Again, get over the atheism thing - I'm an atomic physicist and I don't exactly find it an issue.

See my earlier post where i have debunked gravity. Note, how no one could refute my evidence again.

Yes, heavy objects will fall to the ground, that's not a law of attraction though, that's a natural tendancy, not gravity. What Newton thought he discovered was already known, all he did was add a pseudo-sceintific theory of attraction to it, which can never be observed.

Right, because calling it a "natural tendency" is SO much clearer

Like my post on gravity, you can't refute anything i post here, so you resort to simply dismissing it on the grounds either ''I am stupid'' or ''I am a poe'' (as the troll Split Rock continues to spam).

I was hoping I wouldn't have to point out the rather obvious point that gravity is dependent on MASS, and not on DIAMETER - which renders the whole point of that quote irrelevant.

Sorry if I didn't try very hard before, but I apply about as much effort as the quality of the post demands.

Wikipedia isn't a valid source.

In other words, ignore the point and yell "I'm right!"

Wondrous.

''Space'': first recorded use - from Milton's Paradise Lost (1667), meaning where the stellar depths or stars are. This is only a few hundred miles up.

That's nice. Quote something relevant next time. Like something about astrophysics, rather than a storybook.

''Space'' according to NASA is 75 miles. Yet according to them, Stars are not 75 miles up but millions or billions. According to NASA the ''earth's atmosphere'' is 600 miles, still no stars they say are within this range.

Maybe, just maybe, it's because they're using a different definition than that from a 17th century philosopher? Can't exactly blame them for that.

I am talking of the real meaning of 'space', not the atheist's alteration of the word. Atheist's pervert/change words.

And you apparently don't know how to use an apostrophe.

And really, again, get over the atheists thing. Were you bullied at school by atheists?

You want to see twisting words, watch the creationists here do it non-stop. And they claim to be "literalists"!

ETA: By the way, Milton was a materialist, and Theodor von Karman was Jewish. So change to the correct definition, chop chop.

Another one they have abused is the 'scientific method' (1810).

In what way? By not praying enough?

Modern technology can not get into space. Planes can only go 5 miles.

And as you've been asked many times before, what is the deal then with all of NASA's exploits? Sure looks like they went into space to me.

 

[Split Rock]

Like my post on gravity, you can't refute anything i post here, so you resort to simply dismissing it on the grounds either ''I am stupid'' or ''I am a poe'' (as the troll Split Rock continues to spam).

Hey Poe-Boy, I have some questions for you (just for giggles). A couple of years ago, I flew from the Mid-West US to Japan. We flew toward the West, and we chased the Sun the whole way. My friend flew to Japan from the East not long after, flying from the Mid-West to Japan. How was this accomplished if the earth is flat? One should not be able to get to Japan by traveling form both directions... one should only be able to get there traveling either West or East. Also, what's at the end of the earth? Suely you have been there and taken photos for us... yes? Giant Sea Serpents? A big mountain chain? A huge cliff? A big sign that reads: "Dead End?"

 

[Cabal]

Hey Poe-Boy, I have some questions for you (just for giggles). A couple of years ago, I flew from the Mid-West US to Japan. We flew toward the West, and we chased the Sun the whole way. My friend flew to Japan from the East not long after, flying from the Mid-West to Japan. How was this accomplished if the earth is flat? One should not be able to get to Japan by traveling form both directions... one should only be able to get there traveling either West or East. Also, what's at the end of the earth? Suely you have been there and taken photos for us... yes? Giant Sea Serpents? A big mountain chain? A huge cliff? A big sign that reads: "Dead End?"

No, he answered this already - according to the most reliable geographical source to date, ancient Greek mythology, a big river, called Oceanus. That the sun sets into every day.

Makes perfect sense

You couldn't make it up.

Oh wait, he did!

 

[Ellinas]

The mast argument has been debunked, and i already proved it is an optical angular illusion created by the law of perspective. The evidence for this, is that if you get a telescope you can restore the vision of the entire ship and mast, therefore there is certianly not a ''hill of water'' obscuring the ship, the earth has no curvature.

As the page on FES explains, this is irrefutable evidence the earth is flat.

I live next to the Aegean sea. Yesterday I took my Meade telescope and gazed at a Ferry boat on the horizon and lo and behold; All I could see was the bridge!!!!!! the rest of the boat seemed to have disappeared in the sea.

Put your money where your mouth is. I bet you 1,000 EUROS that we both meet and look at a ship fading in the horizon through a telescope. If we see the whole ship you win!

I challenge you here and now!

 

[Asycthian]

No theory is proven or provable, only disprovable - even yours.

Nothing is proven or provable? Then why are you so hostile to any alternative theories?

If you believe no theory is provable, then you would be open minded to different theories, yet as this thread has shown, you arn't. Your mind is boxed in, you reject everything regarding cosmology, except your own view. Note: I'm the opposite of this, as i said in my early posts, i'm a researcher. I'm not biased or small minded. I've researched hundred's of different cosmology models.

Right, because calling it a "natural tendency" is SO much clearer

It's a natural law. People have documented that heavier objects fall to the ground etc long before Newton. It has nothing to do with 'gravity'.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to point out the rather obvious point that gravity is dependent on MASS, and not on DIAMETER - which renders the whole point of that quote irrelevant.

What quote are you talking about? Read what i wrote about smoke which ascends. Smoke rises, ascends, and does not fall to the earth. It debunks gravity, or the pseudo-scientific law of attraction.

That's nice. Quote something relevant next time. Like something about astrophysics, rather than a storybook.

This is the problem. All your beliefs are modern, you reject anything which you percieve as ''outdated'' based on the flawed evolutionary belief that man has progressed over time.

Nothing in Paradise Lost is fiction, it's based on historic fact, the fall of man. The transition of superior to inferior (the opposite of evolution). Though of course you probably reject this, since you believe in evolution.

And really, again, get over the atheists thing. Were you bullied at school by atheists?

This is Christianforums, not Atheistforums. Atheists are only here to attack Christians or troll, they serve no purpose here.

ETA: By the way, Milton was a materialist, and Theodor von Karman was Jewish. So change to the correct definition, chop chop.

Milton was an individualist Christian. Karman was Atheist. 'Jewish' has three definitions, regarding faith - Karman was not a practicing Jew, he was Atheist. Anyone involved in that line of science is always Atheist.

And as you've been asked many times before, what is the deal then with all of NASA's exploits? Sure looks like they went into space to me.

NASA are anti-Christian.

Google: Jack Parsons

 

[Asycthian]

Hey Poe-Boy, I have some questions for you (just for giggles). A couple of years ago, I flew from the Mid-West US to Japan. We flew toward the West, and we chased the Sun the whole way. My friend flew to Japan from the East not long after, flying from the Mid-West to Japan. How was this accomplished if the earth is flat? One should not be able to get to Japan by traveling form both directions... one should only be able to get there traveling either West or East. Also, what's at the end of the earth? Suely you have been there and taken photos for us... yes? Giant Sea Serpents? A big mountain chain? A huge cliff? A big sign that reads: "Dead End?"

Are you aware circumnavigation was pioneered by flat earth believers?

Yes, people can travel around the earth, this doesn't disprove the earth is flat. As i said, there is no evidence against believing in flat earth. It's as much a theory as believing the earth is round. You only show hostilty, since you have a boxed in mind and believe what you believe is the truth, while disregarding everything else alternitive. Your mindset is basically fascist.

 

[Nathan Poe]

This has been pretty obvious for a while now.... he is rather amusing, though.

Indeed -- rarely do we get one who's so obvious and yet so apparently committed.

This is why I could never do prank phone calls as a kid -- I couldn't keep a straight face this long.

 

[Cabal]

Nothing is proven or provable? Then why are you so hostile to any alternative theories?

Just because I don't consider that scientific theories are absolutely provable, doesn't mean that I consider any and every half-thought up bollocks that comes along to be a suitable alternative.

Science has considered gravitational theory and atomic theory viable models of matter interactions for 300 years, and with good reason, no observations have falsified it - if you think you've got something to overthrow that, you'd better have a damn sight more than a few rants on a message board.

If you believe no theory is provable, then you would be open minded to different theories, yet as this thread has shown, you arn't. Your mind is boxed in, you reject everything regarding cosmology, except your own view.

No, I reject YOUR position because you have done buggerall to back it up besides throw the word "atheist" at everything.

Note: I'm the opposite of this, as i said in my early posts, i'm a researcher. I'm not biased or small minded. I've researched hundred's of different cosmology models.

No, I'm a researcher, because I actually do scientific RESEARCH. I work in a lab for a living. I don't just swan about on the internet being obtuse and claiming to overthrow three centuries of scientific research based on John flipping Milton.

It's a natural law. People have documented that heavier objects fall to the ground etc long before Newton. It has nothing to do with 'gravity'.

"Natural law" is not a defined term - this is just more vague obfuscation. It doesn't mean anything and is just chosen for its connotation of being inherently correct without the need for providing actual justification.

And if the theory of gravity is wrong then why is everything we observe consistent with it?

What quote are you talking about? Read what i wrote about smoke which ascends. Smoke rises, ascends, and does not fall to the earth. It debunks gravity, or the pseudo-scientific law of attraction.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, you have GOT to be kidding me.

Do you know how LIGHT smoke particles are?

EPIC FAIL

This is the problem. All your beliefs are modern, you reject anything which you percieve as ''outdated'' based on the flawed evolutionary belief that man has progressed over time.

Incorrect, I said nothing about it being old - Milton is contemporary with Newton, so its age is not a problem. I reject your usage of it in a science discussion, because it is NOT A SCIENCE BOOK, therefore not relevant. (Essentially the same treatment the Bible merits)

Nothing in Paradise Lost is fiction, it's based on historic fact, the fall of man. The transition of superior to inferior (the opposite of evolution). Though of course you probably reject this, since you believe in evolution.

Irrelevant. It's not a science book, it's also not the Bible, therefore neither of us should be using it to justify what space is.

This is Christianforums, not Atheistforums. Atheists are only here to attack Christians or troll, they serve no purpose here.

Another generalisation - this coming from someone who's been trolling since they got here.

And "they serve no purpose here"? Great Commission much?

This is a board open to all, regardless of belief - and in my opinion, this board is the better for it.

Milton was an individualist Christian.

Ah, gotcha, so materialism is only ok when Christians do it. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Karman was Atheist. 'Jewish' has three definitions, regarding faith - Karman was not a practicing Jew, he was Atheist. Anyone involved in that line of science is always Atheist.

False. You know, for someone who loves to accuse people of making unsupported assertions, you do make a lot of them yourself.

NASA are anti-Christian.

Google: Jack Parsons

Right, because Jack Parsons is still running it.

Oh wait, he's been dead 57 years.

Do please actually try and mount a defense of why space exploration is anti-Christian rather than resorting to character assassination. Parson's beliefs haven't affected NASA in any way, so this is just an irrelevance.

 

[Cabal]

Indeed -- rarely do we get one who's so obvious and yet so apparently committed.

This is why I could never do prank phone calls as a kid -- I couldn't keep a straight face this long.

I'm probably going to regret carrying on with this one.

Unfortunately I don't find it implausible that someone can be this resolutely clueless.

 

[Asycthian]

Research the following (on Google or a simple search website) then get back to me:

NASA backs homosexual pride celebration
NASA to seek gay astronaut to Mars
NASA Hoax
NASA Moon Landing Hoax
NASA Space exploration Hoax
NASA and Animal cruelty
NASA animal testing
NASA and Satanism
Jack Parsons Satanist
Jack Parsons Occult

Note how many links pop-up.

 

[Cabal]

Research the following (on Google or a simple search website) then get back to me:

NASA backs homosexual pride celebration
NASA to seek gay astronaut to Mars
NASA Hoax
NASA Moon Landing Hoax
NASA Space exploration Hoax
NASA and Animal cruelty
NASA animal testing
NASA and Satanism
Jack Parsons Satanist
Jack Parsons Occult

Note how many links pop-up.

What in the world does "number of links" have to do with anything?

A lot of people talk crap and the Internet is if nothing else an outlet for these people (God knows they wouldn't find one anywhere else.....).

No, actually, you're right, number of Google hits is MOST DEFINITELY a good indicator of the veracity of something.

"god is evil" -> 99,500,000 hits
"god is good" -> 98,100,000 hits.

So God must be evil!

 

[Split Rock]

Hey Poe-Boy, I have some questions for you (just for giggles). A couple of years ago, I flew from the Mid-West US to Japan. We flew toward the West, and we chased the Sun the whole way. My friend flew to Japan from the East not long after, flying from the Mid-West to Japan. How was this accomplished if the earth is flat? One should not be able to get to Japan by traveling form both directions... one should only be able to get there traveling either West or East. Also, what's at the end of the earth? Suely you have been there and taken photos for us... yes? Giant Sea Serpents? A big mountain chain? A huge cliff? A big sign that reads: "Dead End?"

Are you aware circumnavigation was pioneered by flat earth believers?

Yes, people can travel around the earth, this doesn't disprove the earth is flat. As i said, there is no evidence against believing in flat earth. It's as much a theory as believing the earth is round. You only show hostilty, since you have a boxed in mind and believe what you believe is the truth, while disregarding everything else alternitive. Your mindset is basically fascist.

Oh come on, Poe-Boy!..... you didn't answer a single one of my questions! Here, I'll number them for you.

1. How can one reach Japan by both traveling West and also by traveling East, if the earth is flat?

2. What is at the edge of the earth? Remember, I like Sea Serpents, so please mention Sea Serpents.

3. Have you been to the edge of the earth, if so, do you have photos?

Like this: http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/mtg art/Ice Age/Glacial Wall.jpg

 

[Asycthian]

What in the world does "number of links" have to do with anything?

A lot of people talk crap and the Internet is if nothing else an outlet for these people (God knows they wouldn't find one anywhere else.....).

No, actually, you're right, number of Google hits is MOST DEFINITELY a good indicator of the veracity of something.

"god is evil" -> 99,500,000 hits
"god is good" -> 98,100,000 hits.

So God must be evil!

What are we arguing here? Is NASA Christian?

The answer is no. That is what i proved with those links. NASA are pro-homosexual and an openly Atheist organisation. They also mutilate animals and have satanic/occult roots (even if this is too 'conspiracy theory' to you, no one denies the occult/pagan iconography of NASA's, their flight patches are always based on pagan themes).

NASA is an anti-Christian organisation. I reject (and many other Christians do) their 'science' on this basis.

If you are a Christian, don't be brainwashed into believing anti-Christian/Atheist propaganda.

 

[Split Rock]

I'm probably going to regret carrying on with this one.

Unfortunately I don't find it implausible that someone can be this resolutely clueless.

Have you visited his CP?

"99% of Atheists are Homosexual

for more info:

Atheists Are Not Real (Old Blog)"

If this guy is not a Poe, I'll eat my socks.

 

[Cabal]

What are we arguing here? Is NASA Christian?

The answer is no. That is what i proved with those links. NASA are pro-homosexual

Nothing wrong with that. Are you saying gay people shouldn't go into space?

and an openly Atheist organisation.

None of your list justifies that.

Should they be mentioning Jesus every five seconds or what?

They also mutilate animals

Nice try linking animal testing to satanism there.

Btw, you realise how anti-animal and anti-environment most reactionary Christians are?

and have satanic/occult roots (even if this is too 'conspiracy theory' to you, no one denies the occult/pagan iconography of NASA's, their flight patches are always based on pagan themes).

Oh do please enlighten us on this one. Let me guess, it's because they happen to involve heavenly bodies that pagans HAPPEN to worship?

I don't care about the alleged "roots" of NASA - Jack Parsons is dead in the ground for nearly 60 years, and if he kept his occult beliefs out of the workplace, then I literally couldn't care less about them - it's between him and God.

NASA is an anti-Christian organisation. I reject (and many other Christians do) their 'science' on this basis.

Science is science, no matter who comes up with it.

Johannes Stark was an anti-Semite. No-one takes that aspect of his views seriously. The Stark effect, however, that is still a well-known effect today, because it is good science, and that has nothing to do with the other failings in his character.

You have been asked repeatedly why we shouldn't believe NASA and instead of scientific argument, you have done nothing but ad hom. This is bad logic, pure and simple.

If you are a Christian, don't be brainwashed into believing anti-Christian/Atheist propaganda.

Sweetheart, just because I don't fall into lockstep behind your woefully simplistic worldview doesn't mean that warrants you querying whether I'm a Christian or not

 

[Cabal]

Have you visited his CP?

"99% of Atheists are Homosexual

for more info:

Atheists Are Not Real (Old Blog)"

If this guy is not a Poe, I'll eat my socks.

Maybe I just have a more crushing lack of faith in mankind than yourself, but I still don't believe it's impossible for someone this wrong to exist.

 

[Asycthian]

Oh come on, Poe-Boy!..... you didn't answer a single one of my questions! Here, I'll number them for you.

1. How can one reach Japan by both traveling West and also by traveling East, if the earth is flat?

2. What is at the edge of the earth? Remember, I like Sea Serpents, so please mention Sea Serpents.

3. Have you been to the edge of the earth, if so, do you have photos?

Like this: http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/mtg art/Ice Age/Glacial Wall.jpg

Draw a circle on a piece of paper, then a point anywhere. This point can be reached from any location. What you are saying is a major anti-flat earth fallacy, the same as the ''falling off the earth'' claim. You can't fall off the earth, there is a boundry. The edges of inhabitable earth are surrounded by an Ocean. And no i haven't been to the edge of the earth, however there is numerous ancient accounts of this happening. I highly doubt however, you have any knowledge of mythology.

Belief in flat earth was the norm, and always will be. If you want a 'poe' belief or a fairy tale, then that would be the round earth belief of the antipodes. Only someone very dumb would believe someone could stand at the North Pole and South Pole, at the same time, with their feet opposite. You now draw that on a piece of paper, and don't lie and say you believe it. No one does really.

 

[Doveaman]

How can one reach Japan by both traveling West and also by traveling East, if the earth is flat?

Ya know, it might be possible if the plane flew underneath the earth.

And it seems like the earth can be both round and flat at the same time. So why the debate, you are both right?

 

[SithDoughnut]

Maybe I just have a more crushing lack of faith in mankind than yourself, but I still don't believe it's impossible for someone this wrong to exist.

It's not, but people this wrong tend not to write in the exact way someone impersonating a fundamentalist would (or at least the way I would). I feel that more Bible quotes and bad punctuation would make it much more believable. Not that I'm not saying that Ascythian isn't doing a good job - rarely do we find one so committed - but the juxtaposition between arguments and presentation is rather unrealistic, or at least exceptionally rare.

But then, the whole point of Poe's law is that you can never be completely sure. However, the newer posts are becoming less and less convincing. I certainly admire the effort, though.