A few tips for creationists.

[AV1611VET]

I'm sure if you were able to travel back in time you would have gotten along just fine with the Bishop's Bible. Or, the one they used when the Mayflower sailed over - the Geneva Bible.

That's absolutely right --- but I cannot travel back in time, so I use the Authorized Version that God intends for us to use today.

I happen to have a digitally-remastered Geneva Bible, as well as a first-edition 1611 King James --- very interesting reading.

 

[Nathan Poe]

That's absolutely right --- but I cannot travel back in time, so I use the Authorized Version that God intends for us to use today.

Until He changes it tomorrow?

 

[AintNoMonkey]

Until He changes it tomorrow?

God isn't science! How DARE you???!?1

 

[consol]

That's absolutely right --- but I cannot travel back in time, so I use the Authorized Version that God intends for us to use today.

I happen to have a digitally-remastered Geneva Bible, as well as a first-edition 1611 King James --- very interesting reading.

How could we possibly argue with that, a first edition King James bible written in 1611,
they really knew what they were talking about back then, religion was religion, no messing about,
witches burnt at stakes, casting out of demons, Satan was in full flow doing his dirty deeds,
it was a really good time to be religious, I'm sure you would have loved to be alive then AV,
think how many virgins you could have condemned to death for thinking bad thoughts,
and the best thing of all, people would have believed the garbage you spout,
they were afraid of their own shadows, yes, it was a really good time for religion,
if anyone even mentioned the word GOD, people fell to their knees, in FEAR, (never love, strange that)
a truly wonderful time to be religious, the bible really meant something back then,
and only a few people would have been able to read it, but it struck fear into everyone.

Superstition is a really wonderful thing, because it's kept religion alive for generations,
how would the world be able to manage without superstition? what a boring place it would be,
no wars, no hate, everyone getting along, boring boring boring.

 

[AV1611VET]

Superstition is a really wonderful thing, because it's kept religion alive for generations,
how would the world be able to manage without superstition? what a boring place it would be,
no wars, no hate, everyone getting along, boring boring boring.

Don't act so innocent --- WW2 showed us that if you have a state run by scientists, people die by the millions.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Don't act so innocent --- WW2 showed us that if you have a state run by scientists, people die by the millions.

Funny that, I thought many great scientists left Germany during the nazi era.
Here’s a few.

Austrian-born Swedish nuclear physicist. Born in Vienna, she worked at the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute with radiochemist, Otto Hahn. They discovered the element protactinium and studied the effects of neutron bombardment on uranium. Meitner became joint director of the institute and was appointed head of the Physics Department in 1917.
After leaving Nazi Germany in 1938, she found a post at the Nobel Physical Institute in Stockholm. She continued her research there, and, together with her nephew Otto Frisch, realized that they had split the uranium nucleus. They called it "fission." During the war, she refused to work on the atomic bomb. In 1947, a laboratory was established for her by the Swedish Atomic Energy Commission, and she worked on an experimental nuclear reactor.

During the 1930's, Einstein spent several winters in the United States as a visiting professor at Caltech. In 1933, while he was abroad, Hitler came to power in Germany. That same year, Einstein accepted a permanent appointment at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton, and in 1941, he became a United States citizen. Einstein surrendered his lifelong pacifism in 1939, when he wrote a letter to Franklin D. Roosevelt encouraging the President to begin atomic weapon research. He felt uneasy about the rise in power of Nazi Germany and was told that German physicists had split the uranium atom. A citation like this could create a nuclear chain reaction permitting large amounts of radium elements and huge amounts of energy to be produced.





Christians (bishops) giving the Nazi salute

If only the world was as simple as a creationists mind!!!

 

[AV1611VET]

Funny that, I thought many great scientists left Germany during the nazi era.

So?

It's the ones who stayed that made the impact.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

So?

It's the ones who stayed that made the impact.

Really; and there’s me thinking that science had made the impacts on the allies side.

It is commonly accepted that the spitfire and hurricanes won the Battle of Britain; the atomic bomb saved 100,000s of allied lives by making the Japs surrender, British scientists cracked the German enigma codes, the list is endless.

One interesting point, is there an advanced country that does not rely on scientists?

 

[AV1611VET]

So?

It's the ones who stayed that made the impact.

Really; and there’s me thinking that science had made the impacts on the allies side.

We're talking two different impacts here. Stay focused, please.

It is commonly accepted that the spitfire and hurricanes won the Battle of Britain; the atomic bomb saved 100,000s of allied lives by making the Japs surrender, British scientists cracked the German enigma codes, the list is endless.

Take that "endless list" one step further, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

One interesting point, is there an advanced country that does not rely on scientists?

Not that I know of.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

We're talking two different impacts here. Stay focused, please.Take that "endless list" one step further, and you'll see what I'm talking about.Not that I know of.

Exactly, any country that wages a technological war relies on scientists and engineers, so it is easy for people like you to point to the scientists as the bad guys.

During the rape and pillage of the North American Continent, what did the most harm; the scientific advances i.e. revolver, railways or the ignorant views of people particularly Christians who viewed the natives as ignorant savages to be beaten and converted.

There’s no need to look to Germany to see what people are capable of, just look at any expansionist country including the USA and UK in the 18th and 19th centuries.

At the time both the USA and UK were lead by highly religious leaders.

 

[AV1611VET]

Exactly, any country that wages a technological war relies on scientists and engineers, so it is easy for people like you to point to the scientists as the bad guys.

Then forget the war part --- Germany is an excellent example of what happens when scientists run the show. In my opinion, a John Lennon society will lead to all sorts of atrocities in the name of R&D.

During the rape and pillage of the North American Continent...

Let's either stick to Germany, or not converse --- okay? It's not beneath me to "/thread", and I'll do it in a heartbeat. You're trying hard to shift the focus, IMO, and I'm not going to let you.

 

[Cabal]

Don't act so innocent --- WW2 showed us that if you have a state run by scientists, people die by the millions.

While I think it's naive to say that elimination of religion would create endless peace, how exactly do you consider that Nazi Germany was run by scientists? Last time I checked, it was run by a bunch of random misfits who had little to do with scientific research. (and that's not a cue for you to make a similar remark about scientists )

 

[Vene]

Time for the buckle again.

Hey, AV, can you read German? This says "God with us."

I bet he doesn't even know the "research" the Germans carried out was junk ruined by them trying to prove their ideology and falsifying results. They weren't scientists, they were fanatics using pseudoscience.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Then forget the war part --- Germany is an excellent example of what happens when scientists run the show.

Below is an outline of the Nazi leaders that I found data on, it seems NONE of them were scientists, but most were religious and poorly educated (now where does that remind you of, the American bible belt?).

Anyway back to the point at hand, Germany was NOT, I repeat NOT run by scientists.

LINK


Adolf Hitler (education)
Hitler was able but he simply did not get down to hard work and at the age of eleven, he lost his position in the top class of his school - much to the horror of his father.
Alois (Hitler’s father) died when Hitler was thirteen and so there was no strong influence to keep him at school when he was older. After doing very badly in his exams, Hitler left school at the age of fifteen. His mother, as always, supported her son’s actions even though Hitler left school without any qualifications.
When he started his political career, he certainly did not want people to know that he was lazy and a poor achiever at school. He fell out with one of his earliest supporters - Eduard Humer - in 1923 over the fact that Humer told people what Hitler had been like at school.

Heinrich Himmler
Himmler was born in Munich, the son of a Roman Catholic teacher. He was old enough to serve in the German Army in 1918 and saw out the last days of World War One. After the war, he became a salesman for a fertiliser company.

Joseph Goebbels
Goebbels was born in the Rhineland and he attended the established Heidelberg University where he was awarded a doctorate of philosophy in 1920

Hermann Goering
After the war ended, he studied at Munich University between 1920 and 1921. Disillusioned with Weimar’s politicians and their supposed weakness, he joined the Nazi Party in October 1922. Goering was wounded in the Beer Hall Putsch.
Failed University.

Reinhard Heydrich
Heydrich was in charge of the Political Police.He was also a skilled musician, an Olympic class fencer and the mastermind behind the organisation that lead to the Holocaust. It was Heydrich who chaired and lead the meeting at Wannsee where the decision was taken to eradicate the Jews from Europe. He was a devoted Nazi who pursued his anti-Semitism with zeal. Why?

Martin Bormann
Bormann was born on June 17th, 1900, in Wegeleben. He was the son of a post-office employee. Bormann dropped out of education and went to work on a farm in Mecklenburg

Ernst Kaltenbrunner
Ernst Kaltenbrunner was born in Ried-im-Innkreis in Austria on October 4th, 1903. His family moved to Linz and he went to the State Real Gymnasium. Kaltenbrunner studied law at Graz University and by 1928 he was working in Linz.

AS usual AV you have it wrong again.


Your example is more about what happen when scientists do not run the show.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your example is more about what happen when scientists do not run the show.

Silly me --- to overlook that these men were not accredited scientists ---

Rather than completing high school, Einstein decided to apply directly to the ETH Zurich, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. Lacking a school certificate, he was required to take an entrance examination, which he did not pass, although he got exceptional marks in mathematics and physics. Einstein wrote that it was in that same year, at age 16, that he first performed his famous thought experiment visualizing traveling alongside a beam of light.

 

[AV1611VET]

They weren't scientists, they were fanatics using pseudoscience.

I disagree --- was the V2 built by pseudoscience?

 

[Cabal]

Silly me --- to overlook that these men were not accredited scientists ---

Don't think Einstein was in charge of a country though, neither were Mengele or Stark, come to think of it.

As regards Einstein, you can still be a scientist without accreditation, but just because Hitler et al weren't accredited scientists doesn't mean you can call them scientists, especially as they never published a single scientific paper in their life.

Anyway, clearly any scientific bad apples weren't that much of an issue to America who readily adopted them all after the war. Guess America has the best of both scientific weaponry and religious fanaticism to justify using it on whoever they feel like.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

I disagree --- was the V2 built by pseudoscience?

Scientists may have built the V2, but they were not in control of Germany, just like NASA scientists do not run the USA.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Silly me --- to overlook that these men were not accredited scientists ---

They were not scientists full stop.

So are you know going to continue spouting the same bull manure about Germany being run by scientists, when you have been shown that this is not true.

 

[AV1611VET]

Scientists may have built the V2, but they were not in control of Germany, just like NASA scientists do not run the USA.

Hey --- if you don't think these guys were scientists, that's your prerogative. If you think all that stuff was pseudoscience, or whatever it was, again, that's your call. I happen to think otherwise.