A few questions

[united4Peace]

Dont know if this is the right place to post this, however...

For those who are Agnostic or Athiest...Why?

I mean...Im married to an Agnostic/Atheist (more on the Atheist side though he does admit there could be a God though highly doubts it, does believe in Jesus though, in the historical Person Jesus).

Now he does come to Church the odd time...mostly for my sake though.
Thing is...Ive been having doubts (which Ive had before but managed to overcome) abt God latley...

Were you ever a Christian(or believed in God)? Did you ever lose your faith(whatever it was)?
If you did believe at one time, do you think there is a chance you'll ever go back to believing?

Thanks

 

[tapero]

Dont know if this is the right place to post this, however...

For those who are Agnostic or Athiest...Why?

I mean...Im married to an Agnostic/Atheist (more on the Atheist side though he does admit there could be a God though highly doubts it, does believe in Jesus though, in the historical Person Jesus).

Now he does come to Church the odd time...mostly for my sake though.
Thing is...Ive been having doubts (which Ive had before but managed to overcome) abt God latley...

Were you ever a Christian(or believed in God)? Did you ever lose your faith(whatever it was)?
If you did believe at one time, do you think there is a chance you'll ever go back to believing?

Thanks

Hi, I understand why you posted this here, but I believe is for q's by non' c's. If you are asking the last question for you personally and not your husband, I would encourage you to not ask atheists and agnostics for the answer, but rather run to Chrisitan Advice forum, and other Christian forums where Christians can help you.

I know you have a specific question, but as regards your walk with Christ, if you ask atheists/agnostics such, you can only recieve answers from those who are dead spritually, and can not help you in your walk with God, and would be last ones to guide you and last ones you'd want to hear from as regards Christ or our relationship with Him.

Please pm me if I can be of any help.

God bless,
tapero

 

[united4Peace]

I do apologize....
Im at the point of walking away from God and yes I have talked to my husband...I wanted other views from Atheists and Agnostics...
I have had Christian views also...
My apologies...

 

[tapero]

I do apologize....
Im at the point of walking away from God and yes I have talked to my husband...I wanted other views from Atheists and Agnostics...
I have had Christian views also...
My apologies...

Hi, no reason to apologize at all.

Best place for your question then, I would thnk would be general apologetics at this link:

http://www.christianforums.com/f13-general-apologetics.html

Atheists and agnostics would answer there. May be other forums, but since all moved around, is last I know of would be best place.

blessings,
tapero

 

[Jerrell]

I do apologize....
Im at the point of walking away from God and yes I have talked to my husband...I wanted other views from Atheists and Agnostics...
I have had Christian views also...
My apologies...

My Spirit was troubled upon reading your words. Tell me Sisiter, why are you in doubt about God?

1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour"

I am a Minister, so If you want to PM me, don't hesitate. God Bless.

~Jerrell

 

[Sophrosyne]

I was saved at a young age and backslid essentially to the point of being agnostic somewhat which is essentially losing faith. I came back but it took awhile and a lot of studying to get faith back beyond what I had so I could trust myself enough to try again. It can be hard to come back to God.... but I think many that falter do so out of lacking knowledge needed when times test their faith.

 

[united4Peace]

Hi, no reason to apologize at all.

Best place for your question then, I would thnk would be general apologetics at this link:

http://www.christianforums.com/f13-general-apologetics.html

Atheists and agnostics would answer there. May be other forums, but since all moved around, is last I know of would be best place.

blessings,
tapero

Thankyou....
Ive changed my icon for now...as Im looking at myself as more of a Agnostic Christian...
Yes I still accept Jesus but I am starting to doubt God (what my husband says does make sense)...

Wont go into everything right now...just trying to wrap my mind around what I "believe" or dont "believe"

 

[united4Peace]

I was saved at a young age and backslid essentially to the point of being agnostic somewhat which is essentially losing faith. I came back but it took awhile and a lot of studying to get faith back beyond what I had so I could trust myself enough to try again. It can be hard to come back to God.... but I think many that falter do so out of lacking knowledge needed when times test their faith.

Ive left before...came back
you could be right...or it could be a spiritual journey...or maybe knowledge that Ive come across...not necessarily a lack of knowledge...

My Spirit was troubled upon reading your words. Tell me Sisiter, why are you in doubt about God?

1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour"

I am a Minister, so If you want to PM me, don't hesitate. God Bless.

~Jerrell

Its okay...Ive taught Sunday School in the past and will be fine...regardless of faith or lack of faith
Why do I doubt...because one usually does doubt what one cannot see...



To add to this...just a thought
I think that an agnostic can have faith also...have faith in family, friends, self...in humanity.
One doesnt need faith in a higher power in order to have faith...we who dont believe in God arent faithless...

 

[Digit]

Ive left before...came back
you could be right...or it could be a spiritual journey...or maybe knowledge that Ive come across...not necessarily a lack of knowledge...



Its okay...Ive taught Sunday School in the past and will be fine...regardless of faith or lack of faith
Why do I doubt...because one usually does doubt what one cannot see...



To add to this...just a thought
I think that an agnostic can have faith also...have faith in family, friends, self...in humanity.
One doesnt need faith in a higher power in order to have faith...we who dont believe in God arent faithless...

Why do you doubt what you cannot see? Can you see the wind, or can you see the effects of the wind?

In retrospect, can you see God, or His effects on your life? If you cannot see or feel the effects, then you will likely not believe there is a wind. So you need to get to higher ground. In other words, seek God. Obviously something has come between you and Him and no you cannot feel His work in your life. Unconfessed sin is a barrier, as well as other things.

Put bluntly, I would much rather live life as if there were a God, even if there isn't. At the worst, what will happen? You will lead a good life and die. I never understand Atheists that acknowledge there could be a God and yet make no move to find Him. It's like sitting in the middle of the road and saying, "I could be hit by a car." and yet doing nothing to ensure your safety. All these reasons are by and large quite selfish that I have mentioned here, just to make note of it, they aren't really reasons to accept God into your life.

I know also in the USA and Canada there is a lot of negative media about Christianity, if you are struggling with your faith I would suggest going back to the basics. To your relationship with God, and what it means to you.

I would also suggest guarding your heart, because as much as you may value advice from your husband, he is of the world and may not have your relationship with God in his interests.

All the best,
Digit

 

[Digit]

To add to this...just a thought
I think that an agnostic can have faith also...have faith in family, friends, self...in humanity.
One doesnt need faith in a higher power in order to have faith...we who dont believe in God arent faithless...

Faith is not exclusive to religion. Faith is essentially believing in something which you cannot prove. If you have faith in other things, which you cannot prove, why are you struggling over faith in God?

Personally, I feel there is something else to it. I don't know your situation but that's how it feels to me from a zillion miles away.

I have faith that humanity will always do the wrong thing, and then do the right thing when it's too late. If history doesn't confirm this, I don't know what does. But I have faith in God, because I feel His work in my life. I feel the change, the peace of mind and heart, and the comfort of being under His care. I have faith in Him because I have recognised that His laws for us help to protect us from sin, and make our lives better. I haven't recognised that, then divorced God.

If you can't believe in something that you cannot see or prove, despite feeling it's effects, then you may have larger problems than disbelief in God. The world is full of many things we cannot see or prove, yet we have theorised and embraced as true.

For me, one of those is God.

Digit

 

[Mistoffelees]

Dont know if this is the right place to post this, however...

For those who are Agnostic or Athiest...Why?

I mean...Im married to an Agnostic/Atheist (more on the Atheist side though he does admit there could be a God though highly doubts it, does believe in Jesus though, in the historical Person Jesus).

Now he does come to Church the odd time...mostly for my sake though.
Thing is...Ive been having doubts (which Ive had before but managed to overcome) abt God latley...

Were you ever a Christian(or believed in God)? Did you ever lose your faith(whatever it was)?
If you did believe at one time, do you think there is a chance you'll ever go back to believing?

Thanks

I'm an atheist because I don't believe there is a God, and it’s hard to have faith in any type of religion. I was a Christian before, and then I slowly started losing my faith. When I was Christian I was just Christian, I never thought too much about God I just thought there was a God because I have been told that all my life. And the more I thought about the idea of a God the less I believed. I don't think I can believe agian, but still hanging around here maybe I'll see the light . But I think it’s mean of your husband trying to test your faith, if he really cared about you he’ll let you believe your going to heaven, especially if he thinks there’s a chance there might be a God he shouldn’t be trying to ruin your chance for heaven. Also I think this is a good place to post this question, I mean the people here are going to be non-Christians and the question is directed to non-Christians.

 

[united4Peace]

I'm an atheist because I don't believe there is a God, and it’s hard to have faith in any type of religion. I was a Christian before, and then I slowly started losing my faith. When I was Christian I was just Christian, I never thought too much about God I just thought there was a God because I have been told that all my life. And the more I thought about the idea of a God the less I believed. I don't think I can believe agian, but still hanging around here maybe I'll see the light . But I think it’s mean of your husband trying to test your faith, if he really cared about you he’ll let you believe your going to heaven, especially if he thinks there’s a chance there might be a God he shouldn’t be trying to ruin your chance for heaven. Also I think this is a good place to post this question, I mean the people here are going to be non-Christians and the question is directed to non-Christians.

Whoa...
Sorry but my dh has always supported what path Ive gone down...

Ive given all my religious stuff away at points...packed it all in...he supported it...

I had our children baptised, he supported it...
He also supported them going to Sunday school and stood by me as he thought it was a good idea also...as it gave them a solid foundation (something they could decide for themselves...they believe in God).
He supported me praying at the table for years...and if I wanted to still, would infact.

This is my decision...altogether my decision...
Im married to a wonderful guy...who has supported me fully.

He even helped our children pick out a beautiful cross for me for a gift...as he knew that a cross was important to me at one time...important to my faith at that time in my life...

Bought our Children Medallions of Saints...(Catholic)

He's a wonderful guy...he does things against what he believes for others many times...its called LOVE

 

[Whitestone]

Dont know if this is the right place to post this, however...

For those who are Agnostic or Athiest...Why?

I mean...Im married to an Agnostic/Atheist (more on the Atheist side though he does admit there could be a God though highly doubts it, does believe in Jesus though, in the historical Person Jesus).

Now he does come to Church the odd time...mostly for my sake though.
Thing is...Ive been having doubts (which Ive had before but managed to overcome) abt God latley...

Were you ever a Christian(or believed in God)? Did you ever lose your faith(whatever it was)?
If you did believe at one time, do you think there is a chance you'll ever go back to believing?

Thanks

Hi there,

I don't know if I have an answers for you but I can share with you my experiences.

When I finally became born again, I had that normal burst of enthusiasm. Reading the bible alot, trying to be involved with church, and trying to witness to anyone that didn't run away.

As I continued life starts pulling you down and things happen. I felt like I had become one of those seeds that fell with the thorns and was being suffocated by the world. My enthusiasm diminished and I stopped doing all that other stuff. I got to a point where I felt like I was going through the motions and was not really happy with anything.

I didn't like feeling the way I did, so I tried to remember when I really felt happy and content. It was when I was trying to walk with the Lord and really follow Jesus. I am not as on fire as I was but I know I am still making progress with my witnessing. Co workers have started coming to me with religious/biblical questions.

Its' kind of funny after reading this part of CF for a bit, with all the athiest and other religion posters I got to the point of asking myself if I could turn away from Christianity. If I tried to deny everything I have seen the Lord do in my life and others, I would feel like a liar for even attempting it.

What I am trying to say is that when you stand back and try to figure out how G-d works, it won't make sense and opens alot of room for doubt. But if you strive to walk with the Lord you will see the blessings spring up everywhere.

I am glad you are trying to figure it out, its' really uncomfortable to sit on the fence with such a big decision. To believe or not to believe. What ever decision you do make sure you can live happily with the choice you make.

 

[Digit]

Whoa...
Sorry but my dh has always supported what path Ive gone down...

Ive given all my religious stuff away at points...packed it all in...he supported it...

I had our children baptised, he supported it...
He also supported them going to Sunday school and stood by me as he thought it was a good idea also...as it gave them a solid foundation (something they could decide for themselves...they believe in God).
He supported me praying at the table for years...and if I wanted to still, would infact.

This is my decision...altogether my decision...
Im married to a wonderful guy...who has supported me fully.

He even helped our children pick out a beautiful cross for me for a gift...as he knew that a cross was important to me at one time...important to my faith at that time in my life...

Bought our Children Medallions of Saints...(Catholic)

He's a wonderful guy...he does things against what he believes for others many times...its called LOVE

Bein unevenly yoked will always be difficult for one or the other. It's good that he is open to these things, as it is important for you and your children.

Cheers,
Digit

 

[Notwhatmyparentscalledme]

I have been a Catholic, Mormon, Scientologist, then concidered Budda etc, one day I had a "feeling" that something wonderfull was going to happen to me.I shrugged it off.
Then I discovered Lynda Grabhorn,David Icke amongst others and started watching videos by David and others on Utube,google video etc.
Suddenly I realised why I had been so spiritually restless, why it all never added up.
I am of the opinion that all world religions are false, there to enslave/brain-wash us.
To keep us in captivity and darkness, looking for God externally, when "God" is within.
I am sure there is a Supreme Being or First Cause or "God" but not the one we read of in the bible.

In short, we have been dupped by higher intelligent forces.
We may be in an experiment or a creation gone wrong or a sort of matrix, who knows but the answers are within you.
We may be one coinciousness experiencing this "life" in many different forms.
There could be a Christlike and Luciferic coinciousness within us all.

In the Old testament, were prophets meet with God, these scenes could be seen as extraterrestrial encounters,spaceships included, read the fire and smoke and loud noise parts again,along with "wheels" lifting up as "God" lifted up.
The New Testament contradicts itself and is proported to been written by a family know as the Piso's from Rome.

It looks like there is indeed a secret society that has always run this world, pitting nation against nation and using nationalism and religion to justify the murder of millions.

It is also possible that our "Souls", Energy,coinciousness, is reborn again and again into this "life".

Now I'm not saying all of this is true or part of it, we only put it out there and leave others to decide for themselves.
There is also a theory regarding other dimensions from which lower dimension beings operate and their "food" is the negative energy put out by humans.
That ET's are indeed already here and always have been,that most but not all are "evil" or not looking out for our best interests.

Now you guys may feel sorry for me that I no longer accept Christ as my saviour but remember I also feel sorry for you because you believe in a messiah,armageddon and a second coming.
This has been used many times by many civilisations before "Christ" walked the earth.

The only person who can save you is you, our potential is enormous and it is this that religion,dogma and science, through the machinations of a darker force,has suppressed for eons.

Google David Icke and take a look at some of the things he says about the world, religion, etc, it might surprise or ring true to you somehow.

I wish you all the very best in discovering the "Truth".

Best regards and Love to you and yours.

 

[Digit]

I have been a Catholic, Mormon, Scientologist, then concidered Budda etc, one day I had a "feeling" that something wonderfull was going to happen to me.I shrugged it off.
Then I discovered Lynda Grabhorn,David Icke amongst others and started watching videos by David and others on Utube,google video etc.
Suddenly I realised why I had been so spiritually restless, why it all never added up.
I am of the opinion that all world religions are false, there to enslave/brain-wash us.
To keep us in captivity and darkness, looking for God externally, when "God" is within.
I am sure there is a Supreme Being or First Cause or "God" but not the one we read of in the bible.

In short, we have been dupped by higher intelligent forces.
We may be in an experiment or a creation gone wrong or a sort of matrix, who knows but the answers are within you.
We may be one coinciousness experiencing this "life" in many different forms.
There could be a Christlike and Luciferic coinciousness within us all.

In the Old testament, were prophets meet with God, these scenes could be seen as extraterrestrial encounters,spaceships included, read the fire and smoke and loud noise parts again,along with "wheels" lifting up as "God" lifted up.
The New Testament contradicts itself and is proported to been written by a family know as the Piso's from Rome.

It looks like there is indeed a secret society that has always run this world, pitting nation against nation and using nationalism and religion to justify the murder of millions.

It is also possible that our "Souls", Energy,coinciousness, is reborn again and again into this "life".

Now I'm not saying all of this is true or part of it, we only put it out there and leave others to decide for themselves.
There is also a theory regarding other dimensions from which lower dimension beings operate and their "food" is the negative energy put out by humans.
That ET's are indeed already here and always have been,that most but not all are "evil" or not looking out for our best interests.

Now you guys may feel sorry for me that I no longer accept Christ as my saviour but remember I also feel sorry for you because you believe in a messiah,armageddon and a second coming.
This has been used many times by many civilisations before "Christ" walked the earth.

The only person who can save you is you, our potential is enormous and it is this that religion,dogma and science, through the machinations of a darker force,has suppressed for eons.

Google David Icke and take a look at some of the things he says about the world, religion, etc, it might surprise or ring true to you somehow.

I wish you all the very best in discovering the "Truth".

Best regards and Love to you and yours.

Ah, the cosmic humanist. Unfortunately all I see this is, is a great way to feel like there is something bigger in the world, yet not get bothered by all those pesky rules and whatnot. You've basically made god up to be something you find incredible, but who doesn't interfere with your life rather than learning about the real God and accepting that your life doesn't actually belong to you, we were bought at a price.

Christ hasn't supressed me,or diminshed me in any way. He has made me more than I would have ever managed without Him. Perhaps you think otherwise, but I'm sitting here with experience which compares my previous life to my new and shows the margin. Being a Christian doesn't hinder me in any way.

Digit

 

[Notwhatmyparentscalledme]

Well I have to agree with you somewhat.
I'm not saying it's all bad, it is through my orginal belief in "Christ" that I learned to forgive everyone everything and still do and to love all but this does not effect the apparant historical fact that it is all made up to seem great but is used for something more sinister.
To divide and conquer and keep peoples in conflict.

It now seems to be failing (or in a decline, counter-measures are ensuing, will ensue, in attempts by Church leaders to prevent this) and modern science is starting to teach that "This is all there is", that we are a cosmic accident, just matter and when we die were gone for good but energy cannot die.
The Universe is moving away from us not because of a big bang but because everything is in orbit.
Matter and movement is not divine in nature but is a form of sub-life.
A sub-creation.

The world is decending into materalistic, self satisfying chaos and the strings who pay for and run modern science are the same strings who pull the Popes or any other Religious leaders.

Im not saying the love of a Christ or a Christ coinciousness , or the belief in a Chirst entity is a bad thing, I would never do that, I would never criticise anyones beliefs, it's just that when your eyes are open, when you know the truth and it sets you free, you feel a sort of pity for those still caught up in the trap.

We are quite capable of obeying rules, acting responsibly, being morally sound without the help of Chrisitanity as before its spread, many nations, villages and towns ran fine together as communties.
It is the inherent greed and evil nature in others that cause suffering and pain before, wars, etc, but with Christianity this has occured as frequent or even more so and on a grander scale.

I have faith in a Supreme being, unconditional love and being "saved" just not in the way a Christian would.

 

[Digit]

It's the inherent greed and evil nature in others, where one of those others eventually becomes you or me that is the problem and that we need God for. Where does supreme morality come from, if not God? Our parents? Where did they get it from? Our grandparents, and them? Their parents? How far back do we go until we get to Adam and Eve, and ask where did they get it from? There is only one good being, and that is God.

Science is great, it can certainly show us many useful things. I won't judge the spiritual based off of the physical though. Somewhere, we as mankind have managed to convince ourselves that we know enough of the physical, to either believe there is no spiritual, or that if there is, it's not like the Bible says it is.

It baffels me how we came to that conclusion. It's like me speaking English and with a thorough knowledge of the language, concluding that we don't need any other languages, and that they probably don't exist because of that. Afterall, isn't that what Occam's Razor says? Eliminate the unneccesary?

Chinese isn't neccessary, we can all speak English... yet, it's there. Maybe it is neccessary afterall, even if we don't see or understand it.

Cheers,
Digit

 

[AformerChristian]

Were you ever a Christian(or believed in God)? Did you ever lose your faith(whatever it was)?
If you did believe at one time, do you think there is a chance you'll ever go back to believing?

Thanks

I used to be a Christian. Not anymore. I do not rule out the possibility of a God existing. I don't think I'll go back to what I used to believe in. I haven't stopped thinking though. For the record, I'm a zillion times happier now.

 

[Whitestone]

I used to be a Christian. Not anymore. I do not rule out the possibility of a God existing. I don't think I'll go back to what I used to believe in. I haven't stopped thinking though. For the record, I'm a zillion times happier now.

What denomination were you?