A few questions for Protestants

[YeshuaFan]

Then why would He say not everyone that says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those that do the will of my Father?
Jesus is mighty to save and there is no other name given under heaven whereby we must be saved, but He does not ignore sin. He states that anyone that will come after Him, let him first deny himself, take up his cross and follow me. He does not say just take me as savior don’t worry about sin. We are called to repentance, and He gives us the power to do it if we ask Him.
You are in a dangerous position, as it seems that you think repentance is unnecessary. I pray that your heart may changed.
Increase in virtue takes work and the scriptures state in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians that we will be judged by our works. Some gold, silver, precious stones, others wood, hay and stubble, and our works will be tried by fire. Repent before it is too late

The Bhema seat is where Jesus judges us for the good works done after saved, for eternal rewards or loss of them, but nothing to do with salvation itself!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Calvin didn’t teach OSAS as it is usually taught. He believed that God chose people, and would not go back on that. But he was aware that we don’t know for sure who is chosen, though he thought people should generally feel assurance.

I think OSAS implies that if you show the usual evidence of salvation and fall away, you will still end up accepted. Calvin did not agree. He knew that some people fell away for real. He thought that those people weren’t chosen by God, since God would make sure that his people persevered.

We are eternally secured ib Christ by the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit, but as paul stated, once saved grace not now a free license to sin it up!

 

[renniks]

That means if you lose your faith, you are still "fully and forever justified". You must be joking.

If you lose your faith does that mean you were not forever justified? Paul said it's God that justifies, who can condemn? No one!
These are promises for believers. Not for those who once believed. If you become a apostate, that's not because God let go of you, it's because you willingly chose to reject his justification.
No one and nothing on this earth can remove us from Christ's love, except for ourselves.

 

[A_Thinker]

I think some Protestants are "Paulians" in their theology but Paul was the only one that didn't travel with Jesus. From him is where they get "faith alone" when all of the other APostles preach faith and obedience. You have to temper Paul with the other writers to get the full picture.

Paul wrote that he got his knowledge of the gospel ... from revelation from Jesus ...

From ... Paul instructed by Jesus – WELS

In the opening chapter of the Galatians, the Apostle Paul indicated the manner in which he received instruction in the Christian faith.

"I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11-12

 

[timothyu]

To get in the Kingdom of God, must come thru Lord Jesus, as he is the way, the truth, and is God Himself!

He opened the door to the Kingdom. But it comes with a stipulation. We must put the will of God ahead of our own and love all as self.

 

[Buzzard3]

He opened the door to the Kingdom. But it comes with a stipulation. We must put the will of God ahead of our own and love all as self.

Did you know you're preaching salvation through faith and works?

 

[YeshuaFan]

If you lose your faith does that mean you were not forever justified? Paul said it's God that justifies, who can condemn? No one!
These are promises for believers. Not for those who once believed. If you become a apostate, that's not because God let go of you, it's because you willingly chose to reject his justification.
No one and nothing on this earth can remove us from Christ's love, except for ourselves.

None who are really saved will be found doing that!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Paul wrote that he got his knowledge of the gospel ... from revelation from Jesus ...

From ... Paul instructed by Jesus – WELS

In the opening chapter of the Galatians, the Apostle Paul indicated the manner in which he received instruction in the Christian faith.

"I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11-12

Pauline Justification is the very theology of the Lord jesus!

 

[timothyu]

Did you know you're preaching salvation through faith and works?

Your point?

 

[renniks]

None who are really saved will be found doing that!

I'm not so sure about that. I think we can turn to false gods after truly being converted.
So I don't believe in OSAS per say but I also don't believe we can lose our salvation, we can only throw it away which in my mind is quite a different thing.

 

[Clare73]

I'm not so sure about that. I think we can turn to false gods after truly being converted.
So I don't believe in OSAS per say but I also don't believe we can lose our salvation, we can only throw it away which in my mind is quite a different thing.

"I shall lose none of all that the Father has given me." (John 6:39)

 

[timothyu]

Salvation was simply offering us something that was previously unavailable, His Kingdom to come. Offering, not giving.

 

[renniks]

"I shall lose none of all that the Father has given me." (John 6:39)

A verse from a chapter where many people quit following Jesus.

"And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."

For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

These are promises for those who believe not ones who used to believe.

 

[Clare73]

"I shall lose none of all those he has given me." (John 6:39)
These are promises for those who believe not ones who used to believe.

1) There are no promises for those who used to believe, they are only for those who believe.
2) And the above believers will never throw it away.

Anyone who throws it away was never a true believer in the first place, theirs was only counterfeit faith, as in Luke 8:13; 1 John 2:19.

 

[renniks]

1) There are no promises for those who used to believe, they are only for those who believe.
2) And the above believers will never throw it away.

Anyone who throws it away was never a true believer in the first place, theirs was only counterfeit faith, as in Luke 8:13; 1 John 2:19.

You can believe as you wish. I'm not convinced.

 

[Clare73]

1) There are no promises for those who used to believe, they are only for those who believe.
2) And the true believers will never throw it away.
"I shall lose none of all he has given me." (John 6:39)
Anyone who throws it away was never a true believer in the first place, theirs was only counterfeit faith, as in Luke 8:13; 1 John 2:19.

You can believe as you wish. I'm not convinced.

Nevertheless, those are Biblical facts.

 

[renniks]

Nevertheless, those are Biblical facts.

Other biblical facts say otherwise. I've had these debates with Calvinists over and over, not really interested in another.

 

[Clare73]

Other biblical facts say otherwise. I've had these debates with Calvinists over and over, not really interested in another.

Not a "Calvinist," he didn't write anything in my Bible.

 

[YeshuaFan]

I'm not so sure about that. I think we can turn to false gods after truly being converted.
So I don't believe in OSAS per say but I also don't believe we can lose our salvation, we can only throw it away which in my mind is quite a different thing.

Chosen by the Father, sealed bu the Holy Spirit, and have Jesus as High priest, so we are eternally secured!

 

[renniks]

Chosen by the Father, sealed bu the Holy Spirit, and have Jesus as High priest, so we are eternally secured!

I don't disagree...I also don't believe we are forced to remain in Christ... Just too many verses saying otherwise.