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Oh good grief! No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying no denomination is the one true church. The one true church is all real believers regardless of where they gather. In a church pew or a boat or a chicken coop, or a basement. It makes no difference. The church isn't a denomination.Thats not what I asked. What I asked is, do you believe "YOUR" denomination holds the truth over other Protestant denominations/sects 100%? Anyhoo, by your answer here, your belief is a big "No"!! So, for you to claim that you are saying that the church you belong to is not the true church. So, I have to ask, why are you a part of that church denomination?
We don't know who is genuine in any fellowship. So we gather and we study the bible and those who are sincere grow in faith.Rather references in Scripture are everywhere which point to a visible Church. How are the following vers
Oh, let's not. He explained it quite well.Really? What say we put a little hypothetical scenario to test.
As I have said before, the Catholic Church is not a denomination. All Christians are members, those who have split off with their own views simply lack the fullness of the faith.Oh good grief! No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying no denomination is the one true church. The one true church is all real believers regardless of where they gather. In a church pew or a boat or a chicken coop, or a basement. It makes no difference. The church isn't a denomination.
It has its own language when it comes to those matters, but that doesn't mean everyone else is required to use it. Not when the Pope refuses to call Protestant churches by the term they prefer--"churches."As I have said before, the Catholic Church is not a denomination.
This comment proves that you don't understand the Catholic doctrine of Papal Infallibility. Don't criticize something you don't understand.You wrote that the Holy Spirit will ensure that he [the Pope] never teaches error in the name of the Church. The Pope and the Catholic church has been in error many, many times throughout its history.
Martin Luther was a heretic, plain and simple.It became so bad that Martin Luther, led by God, found it necessary to break from the Catholic church and bring the Body of Christ back into alignment with God's (infallible) written word -- the Bible -- and His living Word: Jesus Christ.
Right ... so when Jesus said the Holy Spirit will lead you to "all truth" (John 16:13), he was lying?The Catholic "church" is just one denomination, nothing more. It believes that its doctrine is right, but so does every other denomination. There is only one truth: Jesus Christ.
"Jesus replied, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life." " John 14:6 Not the Catholic denomination or its teachings (or any other denomination).
I love your sense of humour ... sola scriptura is a sure-fire recipe for error and confusion!As far as infallibility, sola scriptura.
Rev 12:1-6 includes the faithful of Israel, the Virgin Mary and the Church ... all three of these.Would be Israel, as Jesus was there promised Messiah!
Impossible. But it's entirely possible that you either don't understand Catholic doctrine and/or your interpretation of Scripture is incorrect.Even when they gave forth doctrines and theology contrary to the Bible?
Jesus gave the "keys" to Peter only. This allowed the truths from the Father to be conveyed to us through Peter, infallibly.The Keys were truths from the Father, truth from the Father being the foundation (the rock) He said His church would be built upon.
Matt 16:19 says otherwise - Jesus gave the "keys" to Peter only.All of us have those same keys, for its proclaiming the gospel of Jesus to all lost sinners!
That was decided long before the 4th century. The fourth century only saw the official seal of approval given it by the new State church and even only after they tried to remove two which were still ultimately kept. Governments of man like to do things like that.Which "people" did God entrust to determine the canon of the Bible?
Please share: In your opinion, what is the meaning of Jesus giving the "keys" to Peter only?No, that's pretty fanciful and almost romantic, but there is some significance or other to Jesus' words that applies to Peter. It's just not what the Church of Rome decided about 300 years later to say it meant!
... except the Bible doesn't say Caesar is the "fullness" of Christ; it says the CHURCH is the "fullness" of Christ (Eph 1:22-23). In other words, Christ speaks through the Church, just as surely as if he were still here on earth. After all, Jesus did say he would never leave us.That is like Caesar proclaiming himself God. Logical when you consider the Gentile church modelled itself on the empire rather than the Kingdom.
Sola Scriptura is a man-made tradition that is error from beginning to end. For the first 1500 years of Christianity, SS was unheard of.That is your error. Sola scriptura.
Two points. The Pope was modelled after Caesar and certainly wasn't part of the State church at the time of it's formation. (see post 733 ) Second, the definition of church seems to be confused by those who expect institution rather than movement of people living in the ways of the Kingdom.... except the Bible doesn't say Caesar is the "fullness" of Christ; it says the CHURCH is the "fullness" of Christ (Eph 1:22-23). In other words, Christ speaks through the Church, just as surely as if he were still here on earth. After all, Jesus did say he would never leave us.
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