A few questions for atheists...

[Kylie]

Do you know which Pharaoh that was exactly?

Funnily enough, the information given in Exodus is not enough to pinpoint the date of the story. Amazingly, it seems that there is no evidence of events that match the claims that Exodus makes...

I suspect that the actual leader in question would have made a serious effort to wipe the records.

Yeah, okay.

So the entire labour force goes missing, Pharaoh removes all record from it, and then... what? The Egyptians pick up the slack? And everyone pretends it's business as usual? Call me crazy, but I don't think that is going to work...And we have a lot of detail about life in ancient Egypt. And there's no evidence at all for the exodus.

The issue may be what problems were given credit for the proper causes, or even what problems somehow maybe did not make it into the records..etc. Man is a filthy sinning lying lot you know.

I have no idea how this is supposed to answer my question...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...We know God and what He is like.

When it suits you.

 

[dad]

The widely-accepted conclusion is that none of it happened, so there's no specific pharaoh to speak of.

It is one thing to accept baseless doubts, and another to have some logic or reason for what you claim. How many people swallow dumb doubts or stories is not the issue here.

There's really not anything that connects the story to any actual leader.

So you do not know then. Fine.

However, there's a claim that the story was inspired by a revolt against Ramesses III.

There are lots of stories, let's see the evidence.

I'm poking around the interwebs, and there seems to be a case for Amenhotep III as well.

Bottom line, they do not know. My investigative approach to finding out when Moses lived would be to look at how long he lived. If I recall it was about 120 years. When we look at the sliding scale of life spans being reduced after the flood, we might get some clue as to when he lived. Abraham lived many decades longer, for example.

 

[dad]

In a way, they did -- "Suicide by cop," as it were.

False. No one says that we are to take up arms against possessed evil men. God will take revenge.

 

[dad]

Why would he? He didn't know that Moses, or whoever it was, was going to write the story of the Exodus and the forty years in the wilderness, and he certainly didn't know that 3000-odd years in the future billions of people in parts of the world that he knew nothing about would believe that the story of the Exodus was part of the word of God. By the way, do Muslims believe the story of Moses leading the Jews out of Egypt; is it in the Quran?

Why? Pride. Demon possession. Satan knew, and even disputed for the body of Moses!

 

[dad]

What about if you expose yourself to death and danger without realising it? Through no fault of our own?

Then maybe we miss out on some lessons and blessing God would have preferred we had experienced here.

And why is your life here valuable? (Bear in mind I am not saying it isn't valuable - I think life on Earth is valuable because it's the only one we get. Since you, however believe in an eternal life after you die, I'm asking for your views on what it is about this life that makes it valuable.)

It must be valuable, Jesus came from the halls of heaven to be born of a woman here, so He could save man. He would never do that unless we were valuable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is one thing to accept baseless doubts, and another to have some logic or reason for what you claim. How many people swallow dumb doubts or stories is not the issue here.
So you do not know then. Fine.
There are lots of stories, let's see the evidence.

Okay, we are not discussing your beliefs, got that. What sort of evidence do you want? The last time I checked you did not understand the concept of evidence.

Bottom line, they do not know. My investigative approach to finding out when Moses lived would be to look at how long he lived. If I recall it was about 120 years. When we look at the sliding scale of life spans being reduced after the flood, we might get some clue as to when he lived. Abraham lived many decades longer, for example.

How do you know that they don't know? And you keep forgetting that Moses is a fictional character.

 

[dad]

Funnily enough, the information given in Exodus is not enough to pinpoint the date of the story. Amazingly, it seems that there is no evidence of events that match the claims that Exodus makes...

There is the very best evidence in the world. Jesus met with Moses in front of Peter and John, and Jesus confirmed Mo's writings were great also. Since Jesus led them out, He would know! As for garbage they left for us as evidence in the desert...no. God probably took care of that.

So the entire labour force goes missing, Pharaoh removes all record from it, and then... what?

Have you some evidence that the Hebrew workforce was the 'entire' labor force?

The Egyptians pick up the slack? And everyone pretends it's business as usual? Call me crazy, but I don't think that is going to work...And we have a lot of detail about life in ancient Egypt. And there's no evidence at all for the exodus.

Hey, so some king slows down on the monument erecting, and loses some soldiers....nothing that could not be survived...and nothing that he would likely want to brag about either!

 

[dad]

When it suits you.

No, Jesus revealed His loving nature clearly, and six ways from Sunday to us. We know what He is like.

 

[Cearbhall]

It is one thing to accept baseless doubts, and another to have some logic or reason for what you claim. How many people swallow dumb doubts or stories is not the issue here.

No one needs to doubt anything. The story was never meant to be taken as literal history. It was just a part of Jewish mythology, like Adam and Eve, Noah, etc.

 

[Kylie]

Then maybe we miss out on some lessons and blessing God would have preferred we had experienced here.

Yeah, because there's no other way for an all powerful being could teach us something...

It must be valuable, Jesus came from the halls of heaven to be born of a woman here, so He could save man. He would never do that unless we were valuable.

Actually, that was so people could get to go to Heaven. So it's about your life after you die, not your life here on Earth, so try again.

 

[Kylie]

There is the very best evidence in the world. Jesus met with Moses in front of Peter and John, and Jesus confirmed Mo's writings were great also. Since Jesus led them out, He would know! As for garbage they left for us as evidence in the desert...no. God probably took care of that.

So? There's just as much evidence for that as there is for Cornelius Fudge introducing the new Minister of Magic to the Muggle PM. I can even tell you what they talked about.

Have you some evidence that the Hebrew workforce was the 'entire' labor force?

Exodus 1:13.

If not the entire labour force, certainly a majority.

The Harshness of the Israelites’ Slave Labor in Egypt (Exodus 1:8-14) - Bible Commentary - Theology of Work

Of course, if you can show me something to illustrate that there were other, non-Israelite slaves, I'd be happy to reconsider.

Hey, so some king slows down on the monument erecting, and loses some soldiers....nothing that could not be survived...and nothing that he would likely want to brag about either!

Actually, Exodus 1:14 makes it clear that the Hebrews were slaves in ALL areas. So not just erecting monuments for the king. But slaves in harvesting crops, building houses, basically any job where you needed someone to do something, get a Hebrew to do it! Need someone to cook your dinner? Make a Hebrew do it! Mend your clothes? Get a Hebrew! Sow a field? Hebrew!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Hey, so some king slows down on the monument erecting, and loses some soldiers....nothing that could not be survived...and nothing that he would likely want to brag about either!

Egypt had enemies.... funny how none of them exploited what was going on... or even bothered to notice.

 

[dad]

No one needs to doubt anything. The story was never meant to be taken as literal history. It was just a part of Jewish mythology, like Adam and Eve, Noah, etc.

Your opinion is out of sync with Jesus. Moses appeared to Jesus, so obviously he was real. Literal. Jesus also affirmed that Genesis was bang on.

 

[dad]

Yeah, because there's no other way for an all powerful being could teach us something...

There are other ways, but this life is the best way apparently. If we sjip class here, we still need to retake it in heaven I would suspect.

Actually, that was so people could get to go to Heaven. So it's about your life after you die, not your life here on Earth, so try again.

Life everlasting is a gift man receives here actually. Like a round the world vacation, that starts off with a cab ride. After the cab, there may still be the planes, boats, trains and etc. We cannot tell the people in the cab they have no vacation. They have the documentation...as we do...we have His word.

 

[dad]

So? There's just as much evidence for that as there is for Cornelius Fudge introducing the new Minister of Magic to the Muggle PM. I can even tell you what they talked about.

God's word is evidence. If you expect manscience to be able to follow normal procedures to evidence the works of old that God did, you have another think coming.

Exodus 1:13.

That does not say the Hebrews were the only workers actually. Besides, in an emergency they could draft military or others.

If not the entire labour force, certainly a majority.

Prove it.

Of course, if you can show me something to illustrate that there were other, non-Israelite slaves, I'd be happy to reconsider.

Make up your mind here. Are you saying that there WERE a majority of slaves that were Hebrew there? What happened to them then...they disappeared??

Actually, Exodus 1:14 makes it clear that the Hebrews were slaves in ALL areas. So not just erecting monuments for the king. But slaves in harvesting crops, building houses, basically any job where you needed someone to do something, get a Hebrew to do it!

Hey so some folks may have had to hire help or cook and babysit themselves etc. Whoopee do.

 

[dad]

Egypt had enemies.... funny how none of them exploited what was going on... or even bothered to notice.

Didn't foreigners take them over for awhile at some point? But you would NEED to know when and what Pharaoh so you could look at what enemy armies were poised to strike, if any were. Don't lurk in shadows.

 

[Cearbhall]

Your opinion is out of sync with Jesus.

And all records of what he said and did were written down at least 40-50 years after he was executed, so...

Moses appeared to Jesus, so obviously he was real. Literal.

Surely you realize I don't believe that happened.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Your opinion is out of sync with Jesus. Moses appeared to Jesus, so obviously he was real. Literal. Jesus also affirmed that Genesis was bang on.

Moses appeared with Jesus... along with Elijah.

Only in your world is having a vision of someone proof that they were real.

 

[acehighinfinity2015]

No takers?

Sure, there's a chance. It might seem unlikely, but who knows what those organic materials, circumstances and first life were like?

Yeah your right who knows aye - chance: 1 in 10 to the power of 390. Woo big chance!
Let me know when you ever find out?