A Disturbing Situation

[Havoc]

So you're concerned about individual rights, not necessarily about God's authority. So if God Himself restricts your rights, would you fail to follow Him for that reason? Moreover, from whence comes these "rights"? By what authority do you feel you have the right to choose a god or religion? But you do have this philosophical consistency, however, that you both acknowledge choosing your religion, and that this might not be the truth. Again, your willingness to be forthright can only be commended.

Your right, I have no concerns about your beliefs in your God's authority. Your God would have to be real to restrict my rights, and I have no reason to believe that, so the question is moot.

I only acknowledge in myself what is inherant in every religion, including yours. I'm not afraid to put the correct label on, that I have beliefs. The word "belief" holds no terrors for me.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Your right, I have no concerns about your beliefs in your God's authority. Your God would have to be real to restrict my rights, and I have no reason to believe that, so the question is moot.

I only acknowledge in myself what is inherant in every religion, including yours. I'm not afraid to put the correct label on, that I have beliefs. The word "belief" holds no terrors for me.

So why do you choose what you do? What is the basis for what you believe?

 

[Godzman]

Your right, I have no concerns about your beliefs in your God's authority. Your God would have to be real to restrict my rights, and I have no reason to believe that, so the question is moot.

I only acknowledge in myself what is inherant in every religion, including yours. I'm not afraid to put the correct label on, that I have beliefs. The word "belief" holds no terrors for me.

ok whatever, the only thing errant about Christianity is the people, because guess what we all sin and make mistakes.

 

[Havoc]

I worship the Gods and Goddesses of my Ancestors. Lugh and Brigid, Danu and the Dagda, these are the aspects of the Divine that speak to me. Through my faith I am made complete, I have an intimate relationship with the Divine, and my future is assured.

What other basis would one need?

 

[tcampen]

"I demand proof of your claim of absolute truth."

Okay, so your beliefs are not right, got ya

I think you may be missing the point that neither is YOURS any more right.

 

[tcampen]

Once again I see the intense, personal need to be right, at the exclusion of all others who differ. This trait is based on individual desire, insecurity, ego, and pride, despite attempts to mask it as god's "true" will. I always get concerned when people confused their own will as being God's, for such a position too easily leads to justifying nearly any act.

This is why some of us see the real value, honesty and truth in qualifying spiritual matters with "I believe," rather than "I know, and you are wrong" with something that is inherently personal and subjective. If it weren't subjective, there would be infinitely more agreement on these issues. Think about it.

 

[Diatrive]

I think you may be missing the point that neither your YOURS any more right.

It would be if you lived in a world like he does, where he was lucky enough to pick the religion that had absolute truth ( I hear this in my head in a very booming voice like this AB-SO-LUTE TRUUUUUTHH!).

"I would like to welcome you all to hell today."- Gatekeeper

"Well if my religion wasn't right, which one was?"- The Dam ned

"Oh, I'm sorry. The correct answer was Mormons. Yes . .Mormons. Thanks for playing."- Gatekeeper

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

I worship the Gods and Goddesses of my Ancestors. Lugh and Brigid, Danu and the Dagda, these are the aspects of the Divine that speak to me. Through my faith I am made complete, I have an intimate relationship with the Divine, and my future is assured.

What other basis would one need?

Just out of curiosity... I'm definitely uneducated in your beliefs; What happens when you die?

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

It would be if you lived in a world like he does, where he was lucky enough to pick the religion that had absolute truth ( I hear this in my head in a very booming voice like this AB-SO-LUTE TRUUUUUTHH!).

"I would like to welcome you all to hell today."- Gatekeeper

"Well if my religion wasn't right, which one was?"- The Dam ned

"Oh, I'm sorry. The correct answer was Mormons. Yes . .Mormons. Thanks for playing."- Gatekeeper

Dude! Where do you get your info? It's Christafari... go get your dreads on...
It's like Christianity with the addition of weed.
OOPS, wait, that was Rastafari

 

[Diatrive]

Dude! Where do you get your info? It's Christafari... go get your dreads on...

Wow, would heaven be empty

 

[Havoc]

Just out of curiosity... I'm definitely uneducated in your beliefs; What happens when you die?

We believe that all souls eventually end up in T'ir Nan Og, The ever-living lands. We believe that the soul that is mature and wise is the one that heals and does no harm. We believe that each lifetime for a soul is an opportunity to learn and to mature. Those souls that do more harm than heal return to another life to learn the lessons they failed to learn in the last life. The cycle continues until the mature soul enters T'ir Nan Og.

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

We believe that all souls eventually end up in T'ir Nan Og, The ever-living lands. We believe that the soul that is mature and wise is the one that heals and does no harm. We believe that each lifetime for a soul is an opportunity to learn and to mature. Those souls that do more harm than heal return to another life to learn the lessons they failed to learn in the last life. The cycle continues until the mature soul enters T'ir Nan Og.

Interesting. Thanks. Is this written? Maybe a Biblesque (my new word) document?

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

I worship the Gods and Goddesses of my Ancestors. Lugh and Brigid, Danu and the Dagda, these are the aspects of the Divine that speak to me. Through my faith I am made complete, I have an intimate relationship with the Divine, and my future is assured.

What other basis would one need?

Great-now we're talking.

The thing I still can't figure out is, you're debate-minded and evidence-minded. But you've selected a religion requiring neither of these things. You do not believe as we do, but you spend time amongst us rather than those of your own beliefs.

Make no mistake-we're glad you're here. I'm just trying to figure out why, if you have an intimate relationship with other spirits, you'd rather be in the presence of the Spirit that opposes the one of your own choosing? You're amongst the children of the Holy Spirit who indwells them.

If it's okay to ask, are you happy with this religion? I'm reminded of a comment you once made about the meaning of life from your standpoint. I think I understand what you were trying to say.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Once again I see the intense, personal need to be right, at the exclusion of all others who differ. This trait is based on individual desire, insecurity, ego, and pride, despite attempts to mask it as god's "true" will. I always get concerned when people confused their own will as being God's, for such a position too easily leads to justifying nearly any act.

This is why some of us see the real value, honesty and truth in qualifying spiritual matters with "I believe," rather than "I know, and you are wrong" with something that is inherently personal and subjective. If it weren't subjective, there would be infinitely more agreement on these issues. Think about it.

This sounds like the ultimate projection.

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

Great-now we're talking.

The thing I still can't figure out is, you're debate-minded and evidence-minded. But you've selected a religion requiring neither of these things. You do not believe as we do, but you spend time amongst us rather than those of your own beliefs.

Make no mistake-we're glad you're here. I'm just trying to figure out why, if you have an intimate relationship with other spirits, you'd rather be in the presence of the Spirit that opposes the one of your own choosing? You're amongst the children of the Holy Spirit who indwells them.

If it's okay to ask, are you happy with this religion? I'm reminded of a comment you once made about the meaning of life from your standpoint. I think I understand what you were trying to say.

I would very much like to echo Whitehorse's curiosity. But I'd like to take it a few million steps further... It seems that Wiccan are a little tight lipped about their religion.
I do however like the way you made Wiccan sound so similar to Christianity. I also know that comment won't sit well with you. No offense intended. But it does seem similar.
Objectively, I sometimes wonder if these religions are derivatives of Christianity. Maybe the Celtic society lost touch with what was happening down south.

This is not an attempt to ridicule, just a thought.

 

[Outspoken]

No, it's just that it is absolutely ridiculous to make a claim of "absolute truth".

No, I can clearly say that. Havok claims her believes are not asolute truth, thus it is subject. Subjective means from someone else's point of view the answer can be different. Thus I can say hav's beliefs are not true at all and she must agree with me, but can add "from your point of view."

 

[Outspoken]

I think you may be missing the point that neither is YOURS any more right.

No, I disagree, for I believe mine are absolute truth. Maybe you should check on the definitions of absolute versus subjective truth.

 

[Havoc]

Just because you believe you have the absolute truth does not mean you have it. Maybe you should check on the definitions of absolute versus subjective truth.

In fact the very nature of absolute truth means it's highly unlikely that you have it since any minute detail you believe differently than any other Christian renders a difference of opinion about what is absolute.

Your belief is subjective just as mine is. The difference between us is that I'm not afraid to face my own subjectivity. Of course if you can prove you have the absolute truth that might be different, but in the face of your complete lack of substantive evidence, probability itself is against you.

BTW, it's "he" not "she". I would have thought you'd "know" that "absolutely". But then our ideas of what is true and what actually is true can be as opposite as male and female, can't they...

 

[Havoc]

I would very much like to echo Whitehorse's curiosity. But I'd like to take it a few million steps further... It seems that Wiccan are a little tight lipped about their religion.
I do however like the way you made Wiccan sound so similar to Christianity. I also know that comment won't sit well with you. No offense intended. But it does seem similar.
Objectively, I sometimes wonder if these religions are derivatives of Christianity. Maybe the Celtic society lost touch with what was happening down south.

This is not an attempt to ridicule, just a thought.

There is a tendancy for Wiccans to be tight lipped. Being killed for believeing differently tends to do that to you

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I didn't "make" it sound similar. I don't think it's very similar at all, but that is opinion on both our parts.

I've heard that theory, I've also heard the reverse. I don't think there's enough evidence to really say either way. If one takes a careful study of pre-Christian Celtic Mythology one finds that it is radically different to Christianity.

 

[Outspoken]

Just because you believe you have the absolute truth does not mean you have it. Maybe you should check on the definitions of absolute versus subjective truth.

In fact the very nature of absolute truth means it's highly unlikely that you have it since any minute detail you believe differently than any other Christian renders a difference of opinion about what is absolute.

Your belief is subjective just as mine is. The difference between us is that I'm not afraid to face my own subjectivity. Of course if you can prove you have the absolute truth that might be different, but in the face of your complete lack of substantive evidence, probability itself is against you.

BTW, it's "he" not "she". I would have thought you'd "know" that "absolutely". But then our ideas of what is true and what actually is true can be as opposite as male and female, can't they...

No christian believes different essentials then I do

"Your belief is subjective just as mine is. "

No, its not. Please do not tell me what my beliefs are. just because you're willing to say yours is subjective doesn't mean I am.

As for you being a he, though that was subjective too It was acutally a type-o but you already said your beliefs are wrong, so....