A counterfiet KJV, is your?

[revmalone]

I will also, just the good version.Thanks for you comments.

Bro Malone

 

[Theophorus]

This bible is one of the finest I have seen, and has know wierd shenanigans going on. I have compared the op text, plus I compared it with the Hendrickson 1611 copy I have. It passes muster.

Plus it is not a red letter edition. ( I do not like red letter bibles. Just a personal pet peeve)

 

[BBAS 64]

1769-is that a revision of the 1611? I've been meaning to get a bona fide 1611-it has the apocrypha in it, right?

Good Day, Menno

Hope you are well. I have an exact replication of the org. 1611, I got it at CBD. It contains the variant Greek notes, along with foot notes and the whole intro of the translators and of course the Apocrypha.

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[Theophorus]

Good Day, Menno

Hope you are well. I have an exact replication of the org. 1611, I got it at CBD. It contains the variant Greek notes, along with foot notes and the whole intro of the translators and of course the Apocrypha.

Peace to u,

Bill

Is that the Hendrickson verion? This version has the original spelling, intro, almanac, alternates, intros to chapters, etc. but the scriptures are in modern typeface. I have seen some facsimiles that are almost unreadable because of the original type.

 

[Logos1560]

They who question the KJV would be wrong if they'd try that on our 1769 edition, but if they use these counterfiet versions they make a case but it's based on a subtle effort of those who are printing with ungodly intentions.

There is a Bible that is Pure truth, and it's in the 1769 edition or as we say Grandma's Bible.

Bro Malone

Do you even have a copy of the KJV that is every word the same in text as the 1769 Oxford KJV edition? There were over 1,000 changes made between the 1611 edition of the KJV and the 1769 Oxford KJV edition. Some of those changes were greater than the small spelling changes in some present KJV editions.

The 1769 Oxford KJV still included the Apocrypha and the marginal notes from the 1611 edition along with some additional notes added in later editions. In addition, the 1769 edition had some changes in the text or some other renderings that later editors or printers changed or did not follow. While present KJV editions may be based on the 1769 Oxford edition, they are not 100% identical in text to that edition.

Consider a KJV edition that was printed at the Clarendon Press by William Jackson and William Dawson in 1795. While it is possible that the 1795 Oxford edition is not every word the same as the 1769 Oxford edition, the 1795 Oxford is more likely to be in agreement with the 1769 than is the present Oxford edition printed in the Scofield Reference Bible. An examination of this 1795 Oxford KJV edition shows that it has several renderings that came from the 1769 Oxford edition that are not found in the present Oxford edition. This 1795 Oxford edition, a 1799 Oxford edition, a 1804 Oxford edition, and a 1810 Oxford edition still have a character shaped like "f" for long "s" in many words. Here are some examples of this use of the long "s" in the 1795 Oxford edition of the KJV: "fin" (Ps. 32:5), "fee" (Ps. 34:12), "chafe" (Ps. 35:5), "wife" (Ps. 36:3), "flay" (Ps. 37:14), "feed" (Ps. 37:26), "fore" (Ps. 38:2), "foul" (Ps. 42:1), and "fake" (Ps. 44:26). Thus, the evidence will show that all updating of the KJV's text was not finished by 1769. This evidence is also supported by a KJV edition printed by John Archdeacon at Cambridge in 1790.

Some of the changes in Oxford KJV editions were made around 1830, and several may have been made after 1840 while at least five or more changes may not have been made until after 1880.

 

[Eryk]

Its a New attack to dis-credit the KJV by Cambridge printing company.

THIS is my Bible. It's a Cambridge and it has the upper-case S in Gen. 1:2 and all the olde spellings like shew, etc. I love this Bible and I'm never without it.

 

[Logos1560]

Below will be list of some differences between one present day KJV that is published by Cambridge University Press in Great Britain [ISBN 0-521-50882-7] and the present Oxford KJV edition. This Cambridge KJV edition is identified as a "standard text edition." It differs from the standard text in the Oxford edition in the Scofield Bible in several places. This Cambridge edition has “spirit of God“ (Gen. 1:2) for “Spirit of God,” "assuaged" (Gen. 8:1) for "asswaged," "plucked" (Gen. 8:11) for "pluckt," “Sabtecha“ (Gen. 10:7) for “Sabtechah,” "mortar" (Gen. 11:3) for "morter," “theirs“ (Gen. 15:13, 34:23, 43:34) for “their‘s,” “fetched“ (Gen. 18:7) for “fetcht,” “entreat“ for “intreat“ (Gen. 23:8), “Abida“ (Gen. 25:4) for “Abidah,” “ours“ (Gen. 26:20, 31:16, 34:23) for “our‘s,” “chestnut“ (Gen. 30:37) for “chesnut,” "aught" (Gen. 39:6, 47:18) for "ought," “today“ (Gen. 40:7) for “to day,” “spirit of God“ (Gen. 41:38) for “Spirit of God,” “Zerah“ (Gen. 46:12) for “Zarah,” “basins“ (Exod. 24:6) for “basons,” "veil" (Exod. 26:31) for "vail," "plaster" (Lev. 14:42) for "plaister," "plastered" (Lev. 14:43) for "plaistered," "crookbacked" (Lev. 21:20) for "crookbackt," “jubilee“ (Lev. 25:9) for “jubile,” “mixed“ (Num. 11:4) for “mixt,” “ours“ (Num. 32:32) for “our‘s,” “aught“ (Deut. 4:2) for “ought,” “yours“ (Deut. 11:24) for “your‘s,” “awl“ (Deut. 15:17) for “aul,” “hers“ (Deut. 21:15) for “her‘s,” "rearward" (Josh. 6:9, 13) for "rereward," “Jahazah“ (Josh. 13:18) for “Jahaza,” "or Sheba" (Josh. 19:2) for "and Sheba," “Hapharaim“ (Josh. 19:19) for “Haphraim,” “spirit“ (Jud. 3:10) for “Spirit,” “wondrously“ (Jud. 13:19) for “wonderously,” "steadfastly" (Ruth 1:18) for "stedfastly," “hasted“ (1 Sam. 17:48) for “hastened,” “spirit“ (1 Sam. 19:20, 2 Sam. 23:2) for “Spirit,” “inquired“ (1 Sam. 22:13) for “enquired,” “Malchi-shua“ (1 Sam. 31:2) for “Melchi-shua,” “aught“ (2 Sam. 3:35) for “ought,” “Shammua“ (2 Sam. 5:14) for “Shammuah,” “Shimea“ (2 Sam. 21:21) for “Shimeah,” “spirit“ (2 Sam. 23:2) for “Spirit,” “Naharai“ (2 Sam. 23:37) for “Nahari,” "ceiling" (1 Kings 6:15) for "cieling," “the LORD“ (1 Kings 8:56) for “the Lord,” “spirit“ (1 Kings 18:12, 22:24) for “Spirit,“ “inquire“ (1 Kings 22:8) for “enquire,” “hers“ (2 Kings 8:6) for “her‘s,” "the LORD" (2 Kings 19:23) for "the Lord," “Geshan“ (1 Chron. 2:47) for “Gesham,” “Achsah“ (1 Chron. 2:79) for “Achsa,” “Salchah“ (1 Chron. 5:11) for “Salcah,” “Shimron“ (1 Chron. 7:2) for “Shimrom,” “Shemida“ (1 Chron. 7:19) for “Shemidah,” “Michah“ (1 Chron. 23:20) for “Micah,” “Jeshua“ (1 Chron. 24:11) for “Jeshuah,” "floats" (2 Chron. 2:16) for "flotes," "ceiled" (2 Chron. 3:5) for "cieled," “spirit“ (2 Chron. 15:1, 18:23, 20:14, 24:20) for “Spirit,” “Ezion-geber“ (2 Chron. 20:36) for “Ezion-gaber,” "sin" (2 Chron. 33:19) for "sins," “Asnappar“ (Ezra 4:10) for “Asnapper,” "O LORD" (Neh. 1:11) for "O Lord," “LORD“ (Neh. 3:5) for “Lord,” "entreated" (Job 19:17) for "intreated," “spirit“ (Job 33:4) for “Spirit,” "vapour" (Ps. 148:8) for "vapours," “two-edged“ (Ps. 149:6) for “twoedged,” "inquiry" (Prov. 20:25) for "enquiry," “further“ (Eccl. 8:17) for “farther,” “rearward“ (Isa. 52:12) for “rereward,” “cloak“ (Isa. 59:17) for “cloke,” "holy spirit" (Isa. 63:10) for "holy Spirit," "whom ye" (Jer. 34:16) for "whom he," "portray" (Ezek. 4:1) for "pourtray," “spirit“ (Ezek. 11:5, 24) for “Spirit,” “Kerioth“ (Amos 2:2) for “Kirioth,” "flieth" (Nah. 3:16) for "fleeth," “inquired“ (Matt. 2:7) for “enquired,” "Spirit" (Matt. 4:1) for "spirit," "theirs" (Matt. 5:3) for "their's," “aught“ (Matt. 5:23) for “ought,” "cloak" (Matt. 5:40) for "cloke," "lunatic" (Matt. 17:15) for "lunatick," "sponge" (Matt. 27:48) for "spunge," “Spirit“ (Mark 1:12) for “spirit,” “further“ (Mark 1:19) for “farther,” "yours" (Luke 6:20) for "your's," “havoc“ (Acts 8:3) for “havock,” “inquiry“ (Acts 10:17) for “enquiry,” “grafted“ (Rom. 11:23) for “graffed,” “graft” (Rom. 11:23) for “graff,“ “entreaty” (2 Cor. 8:4) for “intreaty,“ “entreat” (Phil. 4:3) for “intreat,“ and "chrysolite" (Rev. 21:20) for "chrysolyte."


This edition was likely first published sometime after 1900. In his 1884 book, Scrivener noted: "It is probably right to spell aught [instead of ought] in such places as Genesis 39:6, as the American revisers have done" (Authorized Edition, p. 98). This indicates that KJV editions published in Great Britain in that day and earlier did not have "aught" in some places. David Norton indicated that the current Cambridge text was finished by 1931 (Textual History of the KJB, p. 126).

 

[Eryk]

Below will be list of some differences between one present day KJV that is published by Cambridge University Press in Great Britain [ISBN 0-521-50882-7] and the present Oxford KJV edition. This Cambridge KJV edition is identified as a "standard text edition." It differs from the standard text in the Oxford edition in the Scofield Bible in several places. This Cambridge edition has “spirit of God“ (Gen. 1:2) for “Spirit of God,”
"assuaged" (Gen. 8:1) for "asswaged,"
"plucked" (Gen. 8:11) for "pluckt,"
“Sabtecha“ (Gen. 10:7) for “Sabtechah,”
"mortar" (Gen. 11:3) for "morter,"
“theirs“ (Gen. 15:13, 34:23, 43:34) for “their‘s,”
“fetched“ (Gen. 18:7) for “fetcht,”
“entreat“ for “intreat“ (Gen. 23:8),
“Abida“ (Gen. 25:4) for “Abidah,”
“ours“ (Gen. 26:20, 31:16, 34:23) for “our‘s,”
“chestnut“ (Gen. 30:37) for “chesnut,”
"aught" (Gen. 39:6, 47:18) for "ought,"
“today“ (Gen. 40:7) for “to day,”
“spirit of God“ (Gen. 41:38) for “Spirit of God,”
“Zerah“ (Gen. 46:12) for “Zarah,”
“basins“ (Exod. 24:6) for “basons,”
"veil" (Exod. 26:31) for "vail,"
This edition was likely first published sometime after 1900. In his 1884 book, Scrivener noted: "It is probably right to spell aught [instead of ought] in such places as Genesis 39:6, as the American revisers have done" (Authorized Edition, p. 98). This indicates that KJV editions published in Great Britain in that day and earlier did not have "aught" in some places. David Norton indicated that the current Cambridge text was finished by 1931 (Textual History of the KJB, p. 126).

I checked the references for Genesis and Exodus in my Cambridge (different ISBN) and the ones that have been modernized are in bold. This Bible has an antique font and it's surely a reprint of an older KJV. There's old and then there's old. The original KJV repeats part of Ex. 14:10, an obvious printing error.

 

[sawitch]

Hey,

I've just picked up on this thread. I checked my KJV and Gen 1:2 reads 'spirits of God'. What's going on???

 

[Logos1560]

I checked my KJV and Gen 1:2 reads 'spirits of God'. What's going on???

There has been some variation in capitalization in KJV editions in many KJV editions. The 1611 edition capitalized many words that are not capitalized in present KJV editions [both Oxford and Cambridge editions].

The Hebrew or Greek word for spirit was not capitalized so that translators/editors have to decide whether or not a particular use is referring to the "Holy Spirit," the "spirit" of God, the "spirit" of man, or some other "spirit."

Here are a few other examples where such variation may be found in some KJV editions:

Gen. 6:3 My Spirit (1611 KJV) My spirit (Oxford KJV)
Gen. 41:38 spirit of God (1611 KJV) Spirit of God (Oxford KJV)
Exod. 31:3 Spirit of God (1611 KJV) spirit of God (Oxford KJV)
Exod. 35:31 Spirit of God (1611 KJV) spirit of God (Oxford KJV)

Matthew 4:1 Spirit (1611 KJV) spirit (Oxford KJV)
Mark 1:12 Spirit (1611 KJV) spirit (Oxford KJV)
Luke 4:1 spirit (1611 KJV) Spirit (Oxford KJV)

 

[PrincetonGuy]

My Bible has the capital S. Do you use only the King James? I do. I think it's pretty bad if people our reprinting the KJV and making changes. Making changes in altering God's word, which will carry severe consequences with God. Isn't it interesting the the KJV doesn't have a copyright as these other versions have. And we were listening to Kent Hovind last night in person and he said everytime they print new Bible version, order to copyright it they have to change something. Doesn't this also amount to changing God's word?

The word of God really says,

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without fourme, and was voyde: & darknes [was] vpon the face of the deepe, and the spirite of God moued vpon the face of the waters.

In 1611 some arrogant renegades presumptuously revised God’s word and not only CHANGED the correct spelling of God’s word (spirite -> spirit), but they also CHANGED the case of the letter “s” in “spirit” from lower case to upper case, changing the meaning of God’s word and tricking many unwary readers into believing that the spirite of God spoken of in Gen. 1:2 is the Holy Spirit. It should, therefore, be distinctly clear to all readers that the translators of the KJV substituted their words for God’s word, altering the meaning of God’s word to suit their theology rather than the true doctrines of the Bible.

 

[Eryk]

The word of God really says,

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without fourme, and was voyde: & darknes [was] vpon the face of the deepe, and the spirite of God moued vpon the face of the waters.

In 1611 some arrogant renegades presumptuously revised God’s word and not only CHANGED the correct spelling of God’s word (spirite -> spirit), but they also CHANGED the case of the letter “s” in “spirit” from lower case to upper case, changing the meaning of God’s word and tricking many unwary readers into believing that the spirite of God spoken of in Gen. 1:2 is the Holy Spirit. It should, therefore, be distinctly clear to all readers that the translators of the KJV substituted their words for God’s word, altering the meaning of God’s word to suit their theology rather than the true doctrines of the Bible.

Looks like a capital S to me.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Looks like a capital S to me.

Your image is not an image of the real Bible; it is an image of the 1611 KJV in which God's word was changed to agree with the theology of the translators of the KJV!

 

[No Swansong]

And do you have some proof of this?

 

[bergie37]

Greetings

There have been many who say the King James is full of errors and I found out why they have been saying it. As I was studing, because I dared people to prove the KJV wrong.

I have found out there are counterfiet copies being printed, this is were they have gotten those errors they see.

Check out your KJV to see if it's the real deal or a New sneaky snake in the grass. In Genesis 1:2 there is a important part that has been changed. How does it read in your KJV in this part of the verse;

Here is the 1769 edition of the KJV= And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Here is the counterfiet= and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

See the difference the Big (S) stands for the Holy Spirit
They have Changed this to a small (s).

Its a New attack to dis-credit the KJV by Cambridge printing company.
There are more who do it, but now I understand this is why so many find errors with the King James version, there right and were right--ha ha ha

They who question the KJV would be wrong if they'd try that on our 1769 edition, but if they use these counterfiet versions they make a case but it's based on a subtle effort of those who are printing with ungodly intentions.

There is a Bible that is Pure truth, and it's in the 1769 edition or as we say Grandma's Bible.

Here are some more changes that have been made.

Genesis 1:2, 41:38, Judges 3:10, 6:34, 11:29, 13:25, 14:6, 14:19, 15:14, 1 Samuel 10:6, 10:10, 11:6, 16:13, 16:14, 19:20, 19:23, 2 Samuel 23:2, 1 Kings 18:12, 22:24, 2 Kings 2:16, 2 Chronicles 15:1, 18:23, 20:14, 24:20, Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:13, 48:16, 61:1, 63:10, 11, 14, Ezekiel 11:5, 24.

For hundreds of years Cambridge published these verses with a capital S, but now in the twenty-first century it has been changed. Actually this so called standard text edition first hit the market in 1993 and is being endorsed by many King James Bible believing websites to day. I assume that they are not aware that it has been modernized.

Check your Bibles

Bro Malone

Ugh!

 

[PrincetonGuy]

And do you have some proof of this?

“Bibles” that change God’s word can NOT possibly be real Bibles. The 1611 KJV changed God’s word in thousands of places, and the KJV is the most edited, altered and changed “Bible” that has ever been published. God and His word have not changed and they never will!

Heb. 13:8 Iesus Christe yesterday and to day, and the same for euer.

 

[No Swansong]

Still waiting on evidence. Of course you will have to provide for me the autographs to know that changes really occured.

 

[bergie37]

“Bibles” that change God’s word can NOT possibly be real Bibles. The 1611 KJV changed God’s word in thousands of places, and the KJV is the most edited, altered and changed “Bible” that has ever been published. God and His word have not changed and they never will!

Heb. 13:8 Iesus Christe yesterday and to day, and the same for euer.

So the KJV is wrong? Please someone tell me I'm not reading the wrong bible?

 

[PrincetonGuy]

So the KJV is wrong? Please someone tell me I'm not reading the wrong bible?

“Modern Versions” (all versions published after 1568) are not real Bibles but alterations made by men of God’s word. King James started this whole mess with the ordering of a new translation of the Bible.

 

[jlujan69]

Uh oh, I think I'm in trouble. Gen.1:2 retains the capital S, but the other verses use the lower case s. So, what now?