A Complete Skull from Dmanisi

[EternalDragon]

Dear Sayre, Genesis 2:4-7 tells us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants, rain, and the first Stars of our Cosmos, which were not formed until the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16. Are you calling God a Liar? Where were you when the first light came forth into our Universe, some 13 billion years ago? Adam was made BEFORE that. I am sorry you didn't know that. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

At some point in time, I hope you come to your senses and are able to just read what is there in Genesis and not keep adding to it.

 

[dad]

Today I realised that for the last ten or so years, I've been lying when I typed LOL. I thought I was LOLing, but I really hadn't experienced the true belly ache and eye watering of a true LOL.

Today, I LOL'd with truth and integrity.

For that I have to thank you, Aman777.

Wow, waiting for a wife till your twenties is sometimes a hard thing. Waiting over 13 billion years must have been a challenge for the man.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Wow, waiting for a wife till your twenties is sometimes a hard thing. Waiting over 13 billion years must have been a challenge for the man.

Waiting for a wife until your 20s is hard? That sounds bizarre to me. Do people usually get married in their teens round your neck of the woods?

 

[Black Akuma]

Wow, waiting for a wife till your twenties is sometimes a hard thing. Waiting over 13 billion years must have been a challenge for the man.

There's a really, really crude joke, here, but I'm better than that.

 

[dad]

Waiting for a wife until your 20s is hard? That sounds bizarre to me. Do people usually get married in their teens round your neck of the woods?

Well, perhaps a better translation for pagans might be...waiting for sex till the twenties can be hard enough.....

 

[dad]

There's a really, really crude joke, here, but I'm better than that.

That might be best.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Well, perhaps a better translation for pagans might be...waiting for sex till the twenties can be hard enough.....

Ah, I see.

Interestingly, in the UK, the average age for women to marry for the first time is 30, and for men is 32, according to The Telegraph:
Average age for women to marry hits 30 for first time - Telegraph

That might explain my initial puzzlement at your statement.

 

[Aman777]

At some point in time, I hope you come to your senses and are able to just read what is there in Genesis and not keep adding to it.

Dear ED, You will be there when we all learn to understand Genesis. At that time, don't be too shocked when you find out that I was right. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Wow, waiting for a wife till your twenties is sometimes a hard thing. Waiting over 13 billion years must have been a challenge for the man.

Dear dad, What it shows is that mankind was NOT made to be ruled by his lower brain but by the brain in his head. Adam, like Jesus, did not want to be alone, but to have companionship with someone like himself. That is WHY mankind was made with a far superior brain than ANY other creature. It was like God's. Genesis 3:22

Jesus wanted companionship with Humans who had a mind like His, and so did Adam. That is WHY Jesus had to die on the Cross, since mankind was imperfect in the flesh, thus subject to death. Adam will be with Jesus forever in Heaven because he believed what Jesus told him, and was "created in God's Image, Spiritually and Eternally. Genesis 5:1-2 It's the same with mankind today. Some believe Jesus and some believe in Self. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Sayre, Genesis 2:4-7 tells us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants, rain, and the first Stars of our Cosmos, which were not formed until the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16. Are you calling God a Liar? Where were you when the first light came forth into our Universe, some 13 billion years ago? Adam was made BEFORE that. I am sorry you didn't know that. God Bless you.

At some point in time, I hope you come to your senses and are able to just read what is there in Genesis and not keep adding to it.

Dear ED, I support what I write with Scripture. Here is Genesis 2:4-7 and my thoughts. Try to refute me. I don't think you can.

Geneis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

At Genesis 2:4 we are taken BACK to the events of the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made, according to Genesis 1:9-10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

On this 3rd Day after the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants and herbs GREW, Jesus (LORD God) made man.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

To confirm that we are still looking at the events of the 3rd Day, notice what happens next.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The Trees were made and grew on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

As you should be able to see, my views are in accord with Scripture, which means that your views are NOT. Right? Your false accusation that I should come to my senses is refuted Scripturally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
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[Sayre]

It is a shame that the more reasonable creationist views are drowned out by this rubbish.

Does this forum have an ignore feature?

 

[Aman777]

It is a shame that the more reasonable creationist views are drowned out by this rubbish.

Does this forum have an ignore feature?

Dear Sayre, Haven't you noticed that the "more reasonable creationist views" are NOT true Scripturally? Would you rather follow someone's belief or what Scripture actually teaches? It's easy to use the ignore feature. Just stick your head in the sand and ignore God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

Dear dad, What it shows is that mankind was NOT made to be ruled by his lower brain but by the brain in his head....

Your story/theories seem to leap any hurdle.

 

[dad]

Ah, I see.

Interestingly, in the UK, the average age for women to marry for the first time is 30, and for men is 32, according to The Telegraph:
Average age for women to marry hits 30 for first time - Telegraph

That might explain my initial puzzlement at your statement.

Right and the average age for sex may be lower. But waiting 13.5 billion years for Eve would have been unusual.

 

[EternalDragon]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Sayre, Genesis 2:4-7 tells us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants, rain, and the first Stars of our Cosmos, which were not formed until the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16. Are you calling God a Liar? Where were you when the first light came forth into our Universe, some 13 billion years ago? Adam was made BEFORE that. I am sorry you didn't know that. God Bless you.



Dear ED, I support what I write with Scripture. Here is Genesis 2:4-7 and my thoughts. Try to refute me. I don't think you can.

Geneis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

At Genesis 2:4 we are taken BACK to the events of the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made, according to Genesis 1:9-10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

On this 3rd Day after the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants and herbs GREW, Jesus (LORD God) made man.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

To confirm that we are still looking at the events of the 3rd Day, notice what happens next.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The Trees were made and grew on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

As you should be able to see, my views are in accord with Scripture, which means that your views are NOT. Right? Your false accusation that I should come to my senses is refuted Scripturally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
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You are confusing the overview of day six of creation in Genesis 2 with the whole of creation. Genesis 2 is a detail of day 6 of creation and a creation of the special Garden of Eden with it's own animals and plants for Adam.

You also did not show where in scripture it states that Adam was here 13.5 billion years before Eve.

I can only go by what scripture clearly states. And it does not state what you say it states.

 

[mark kennedy]

It is a shame that the more reasonable creationist views are drowned out by this rubbish.

Does this forum have an ignore feature?

I moderated on here years ago, it was amazing how it was always the same thing on both sides. Invariably it was petty rudeness and yea, there is an ignore feature.

What is a shame is that a complete Dmanisi skull was discovered, I mean a nearly perfect one. They haven't been able to figure out anything all that conclusive from the others and they've been finding them for a while. Sad really, toss it in with the rest of the discoveries that have been dragged into this mud wrestling tournament that is Darwinism Vs. Creation.

The only thing rarer then a find like this is a self respecting creationist who would participate in one of these debates. I'll bet the majority of creationists who post here aren't, I've always thought that.

 

[Aman777]

You are confusing the overview of day six of creation in Genesis 2 with the whole of creation.

Dear ED, Not so. You are confusing the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 for events which are past. This prophecy will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Isaiah 11 At that time, EVERY creature will become a Vegetarian as the prophecy at the end of Genesis one is finally fulfilled. Don't believe me? Then show us a time in history when ALL living creatures were Vegetarians. You cannot.

Genesis 2 is a detail of day 6 of creation and a creation of the special Garden of Eden with it's own animals and plants for Adam.

Here is the chronology of Genesis 2:

Genesis 2:1 shows us a future time when God's work of creating is finished or brought to perfection, which is what the word finished means in Hebrew.
Genesis 2:2-3 repeats the Scriptural FACT that God rests from ***ALL*** of His work of creating on the 7th Day, which has no end. This is because God has but 7 Days and the 7th is Future.

IF God has already rested from ALL of His work, and ALL of the host of heaven is already in Heaven, then it is TOO LATE to be "created in God's Image" since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trnity to CREATE a new creature in Christ. Jhn 14:16 and Genesis 1:26.

Don't feel too bad though since the traditional religious view, which was first told thousands of years ago, agrees with you. It just doesn't agree with what is actually written.

At Genesis 2:4 we are taken BACK to the events of the THIRD Day, the Day the Earth was made, then Adam, then plants, trees and the Stars of the FOURTH Day. Gen. 1:16 Genesis 2:18 shows that Adam was ALONE at the time when Jesus made the beasts of the earth and birds, and Adam named them, but was still alone. Genesis 2:22 shows that Eve was finally made for Adam. Jesus knew that Eve would cause the fall of Adam, so she was the last creature made BEFORE the fall, which comes in Genesis 3.

You also did not show where in scripture it states that Adam was here 13.5 billion years before Eve.

Genesis 2:4-7 tells us that on the Day the Earth was made (the 3rd Day Gen 1:9-10) but BEFORE the plants grew (the 3rd Day Gen. 1:12) the LORD God (Jesus) made man of the dust of the ground. Adam was made BEFORE plants, trees, and the first Stars of our cosmos whch did NOT put forth their Light until the FOURTH Day. Genesis 1:16 Science agrees and shows that the Stars put forth their Light some 13.7 billion years ago. Adam was made BEFORE then, showing that Adam lived for Billions of years BEFORE Eve was made.

I can only go by what scripture clearly states. And it does not state what you say it states.

God tells us that those who have NOT been born again Spiritually CANNOT understand Spiritual things. 1Cr 2:14 This means that one CANNOT read His Holy Word and understand His Truth by a plain reading of Genesis. He also tells us HOW to understand His Holy Word and I have tried to follow His instructions.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I do NOT seek the approval of men but I do study to show myself approved unto God, and I can support my views with Scripture. It is up to my opponants to refute me Scripturally. So far, none can. Can you? God Bless you for trying.

In Love,
Aman

 

[EternalDragon]

I do NOT seek the approval of men but I do study to show myself approved unto God, and I can support my views with Scripture. It is up to my opponants to refute me Scripturally. So far, none can. Can you? God Bless you for trying.

In Love,
Aman

Yes, I can and others have. There is no mention of Adam until day 6 and Eve was made from Adam on that exact day. Plants were already created and given to man and beast as food. They were vegetarians for maybe a day or so before Adam sinned on day 7. That is what scripture teaches unless you add to it, twist it or distort it.

I am not your opponent either. I am not trying to refute you at all. I am merely pointing out what is written in scripture and what is not written there.

 

[Aman777]

Yes, I can and others have.

Dear ED, Are you speaking of Dad? IF so, he has the SAME problem as you. He earnestly believes the goatherder theology, but CANNOT support his false religion with actual Scripture.

There is no mention of Adam until day 6

False. I just showed you that Genesis 2:4-7 tells us that man (Heb-Adam) was made the THIRD Day. I noticed that you did not even try to tell us what YOU think these verses are saying.

and Eve was made from Adam on that exact day.

False Notion caused by the fact that you believe ancient men's theology instead of what is actually written. Adan was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4-7 Remember?

Plants were already created and given to man and beast as food.

False, since man was formed of the dust of the ground BEFORE plants as Genesis 2:4-7 clearly states. EVERY living creature becoming Vegetarian happens AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet, as the following shows.

Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of His loins, and faithfulness the girdle of His reins. Isa 11:6¶ The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

The above verses are speaking of a time in the Future after Jesus returns to rule and reign a thousand years on this planet. At that time, EVERY living creature will become a Vegetarian as Genesis 1:29-30 prophesies.

Gen 1:29¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. http://www.blbclassic.org/study/tsk/tsk.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&v=30&t=KJVhttp://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#conc/30http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#comm/30
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

They were vegetarians for maybe a day or so before Adam sinned on day 7. That is what scripture teaches unless you add to it, twist it or distort it.

Adam sinned on the present 6th Day or Satan told the Truth and the LORD Lied to Adam. This is because Adam did NOT die within 24 hours but lived for more than 930 years AFTER he and Eve were born again. Genesis 5:1-3 The LORD told Adam that he would surely die "in the day" he disobeyed and Satan said they would NOT surely die. Today remains the 6th Day.

Adam and EVERY Human lives and dies on the present 6th Day or Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven. We live TODAY at Genesis 1:27 because God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or In Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet, as I posted. Isaiah 11

I am not your opponent either. I am not trying to refute you at all. I am merely pointing out what is written in scripture and what is not written there.

I am truly sorry that your knowledge of what is actually written is based on the traditions of ancient men who could NOT possibly understand what the Supreme Intelligence of Creation was trying to tell them. You have NOT refuted a single jot nor tittle of God's Holy Word, but thanks for trying. It helps others who put their faith in ancient man's tradition instead of what is actually written. Thanks for giving me this opportunity to show them the difference. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[EternalDragon]

False. I just showed you that Genesis 2:4-7 tells us that man (Heb-Adam) was made the THIRD Day. I noticed that you did not even try to tell us what YOU think these verses are saying.

I did tell you numerous times. Genesis 2:4-7 is the start of details of the 6th day of creation. It is an overview of day 6. It has nothing to do with day 3.

I am truly sorry that your knowledge of what is actually written is based on the traditions of ancient men who could NOT possibly understand what the Supreme Intelligence of Creation was trying to tell them. You have NOT refuted a single jot nor tittle of God's Holy Word, but thanks for trying. It helps others who put their faith in ancient man's tradition instead of what is actually written. Thanks for giving me this opportunity to show them the difference. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

There is no such thing as ancient men. We are all the same since creation. In fact they actually had more knowledge than we do today.

The bible is not "ancient man's tradition" and there is no reason to think they knew any more or less about scripture than we do except for prophecies later in the NT that came true with Jesus.

By the way, what exactly is the "Supreme Intelligence of Creation".