A Complete Skull from Dmanisi

[Aman777]

Yes.

That was after Job. It was in Job we see the sons of god meeting. They were not apes, forget about it.

Oh? Would that happen to be where the morning stars sang, and the sons of god shouted also?

Job 38:7 -When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Dear Dad, No, since you are taking the verse out of context. Here is the context:

Job 38:4¶ Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

God is speaking to Job of a certain time in the beginning and the sons of God were made long BEFORE Eve and Job. Genesis 1:21

God is in heaven. Remember?? Let's starrt with the basics.."Our Father which art in HEAVEN..."

Which Heaven? God made 3 of them. Today, and at the time of Job, God was in the Third Heaven and the LORD (Jesus) was on Earth with the sons of God and the devil. NO man has ever seen God (Elohim) at any time, but many saw Jesus in the Old Testament.

Lu 11:2 -And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Don't try to conflate issues, and have the angel of the Lord in the old testament holding universal court sessions on earth!!! Not honest.

It's Jesus in the Old Testament. What this reveals is that you have no idea what Scripture is teaching. That's honest.

Find another thread, I think we got your opinion on the skulls. You think this planet where they are was not where Noah was, and that they are ancestors of man and apes that had sex with Noah's kids!

How confused you are. It's because you keep making up things in a vain attempt to hold on to whatever credibility you think you need. I truly appreciate you sharing your ideas with me, but I don't wish become as confounded as you are. Good luck and God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

Dear Dad, No, since you are taking the verse out of context. Here is the context:

Job 38:4 ¶ Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

God is speaking to Job of a certain time in the beginning and the sons of God were made long BEFORE Eve and Job. Genesis 1:21

Obviously angels were not made an hour before they went in with Satan to have a council with God. Dishonest canard.

But now that we see you mention that, how did they have the brains to marry women BEFORE the flood, if you claim they got intelligence from Noah's kids??!!

Which Heaven? God made 3 of them.

The one God lives in. We aren't talking birds here.

Today, and at the time of Job, God was in the Third Heaven and the LORD (Jesus) was on Earth with the sons of God and the devil. NO man has ever seen God (Elohim) at any time, but many saw Jesus in the Old Testament.

Strawman. They saw Gabriel also, and other angels, as well as Christ, but that doesn't mean that Rome occupied for some angel council with the Almighty and angels!

Noow just admit your monkey stories are absurd and totally unrelated to God's word.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, No, since you are taking the verse out of context. Here is the context:

Job 38:4 ¶ Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

God is speaking to Job of a certain time in the beginning and the sons of God were made long BEFORE Eve and Job. Genesis 1:21

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Obviously angels were not made an hour before they went in with Satan to have a council with God. Dishonest canard.

Dear Dad, What in the world are you trying to say? Or, is this just another of your tricky ways of posting?

But now that we see you mention that, how did they have the brains to marry women BEFORE the flood, if you claim they got intelligence from Noah's kids??!!

Gobbledegoop.

Which Heaven? God made 3 of them.
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The one God lives in. We aren't talking birds here.

The Physical God, the ONLY God ever formed or that ever will be formed, is in the THIRD Heaven, today. He has gone to prepare a place for us. If it were not so, He would have told us. Jhn 14:2

Today, and at the time of Job, God was in the Third Heaven and the LORD (Jesus) was on Earth with the sons of God and the devil. NO man has ever seen God (Elohim) at any time, but many saw Jesus in the Old Testament.

Strawman. They saw Gabriel also, and other angels, as well as Christ, but that doesn't mean that Rome occupied for some angel council with the Almighty and angels!

No one has said they did EXCEPT you. English is not your first language is it?

Noow just admit your monkey stories are absurd and totally unrelated to God's word.

That's just another false accusation which you must account for. I don't wish to add any more. You've got enough already. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

Dear Dad, What in the world are you trying to say?

Well, if you claim that ape ancestors are sons of god, and got intelligence from Noah's kids, how smart could they have been pre flood!!!?

The Physical God,

God is not physical. He is a Spirit.

the ONLY God ever formed or that ever will be formed, is in the THIRD Heaven, today. He has gone to prepare a place for us. If it were not so, He would have told us. Jhn 14:2

Don't worry your little ape evolved mind (according to you, since ape ancestors had sex with humans) about things too high for us.

Today, and at the time of Job, God was in the Third Heaven and the LORD (Jesus) was on Earth with the sons of God and the devil. NO man has ever seen God (Elohim) at any time, but many saw Jesus in the Old Testament.

So Satan, and the sons of god met there. What, they beamed up some apes for the meeting!? That was the point. Your fantasies are internally inconsistent.

That's just another false accusation which you must account for. I don't wish to add any more. You've got enough already. God Bless you.

Yet you admit that unintelligent ape ancestors had sex with men and grew smart is what you claim, right? Perhaps you best start a thread for your bestiality nonsense. It isn't right here. Yech.

 

[Golden Yak]

Well, if you claim that ape ancestors are sons of god, and got intelligence from Noah's kids, how smart could they have been pre flood!!!?

The children produced by the sons of God and the descendants of Adam inherited the human intelligence of the descendants of Adam. The sons of God were presumably not as intelligent as the descendants of Adam, whilst still being intelligent enough to form some manner of relationship with them.

This seems very clear to me. I think it might be the most sensible interpretation of world science with theology I've yet heard.

 

[Aman777]

The children produced by the sons of God and the descendants of Adam inherited the human intelligence of the descendants of Adam. The sons of God were presumably not as intelligent as the descendants of Adam, whilst still being intelligent enough to form some manner of relationship with them.

This seems very clear to me. I think it might be the most sensible interpretation of world science with theology I've yet heard.

Dear Golden Yak, Thank you for the kind words. Dad is trying his best to uphold the traditional, religious, story of the Creation. No one can support the old interpretation, which was first told some 3k years ago, Scripturally. That's because what is actually written was written by the Supreme intelligence of Creation but ancient men did not understand His words. They made up a story which is untrue in every way.

This actually helps God is sorting out those who believe, from those who do not believe what is written. Salvation is achieved only by Faith, and it sure takes Faith to believe the old traditional story. It's the SAME with all Christians who cannot support their Faith with actual facts. They have Faith that God told them the Truth, but they just have their details wrong.

Thank you again for your insight, and remember that Dad is really helping to expose God's Truth as it is actually written in Scripture. God Bless both of you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Black Akuma]

The immovable object versus the unstoppable force. Something has to give...

 

[Aman777]

The immovable object versus the unstoppable force. Something has to give...

Dear Black Akuma, What I told Dad was that the traditional religious story does NOT agree with what is actually written. The immovable object (God's Holy Word) will be standing when there is no unstoppable, unsupported, religion, or belief of men.

That's because no one can refute God's Truth, for it is the complete History of the Creation of the perfect eternal heaven, written BEFORE the events take place. In heaven, we will open and read the complete account of HOW in 6 Days or Age, God makes the perfect third heaven and fills it with His children.

Our entire History, including future events at the end of the present 6th Creative Day, are told. This complete History is contained in the FIRST Chapter of Genesis. That's God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[bhsmte]

The immovable object versus the unstoppable force. Something has to give...

It beats reality TV!

 

[stevevw]

The children produced by the sons of God and the descendants of Adam inherited the human intelligence of the descendants of Adam. The sons of God were presumably not as intelligent as the descendants of Adam, whilst still being intelligent enough to form some manner of relationship with them.

This seems very clear to me. I think it might be the most sensible interpretation of world science with theology I've yet heard.

I must admit it does accommodate everything pretty good. Maybe a little to good and stretched to fit.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The Sons of God are angels, created long before the universe ever was.

Sons of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Their taking on human form and mating with humans produce the Nephilim, which stories of them passed down generation to generation eventually came to be the demi-gods of Greek and Roman mythology - Hercules, etc. This also caused the angels (1/3 of them) to be thrown into Tartarus and bound with chains of darkness until the judgement.

Something that occurred long before Christ came.

2 Peter 2: 4-5

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;"


See also Jude 1:6

"And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day"

Angels were not meant to dwell amongst mankind. But some left their proper dwelling place, heaven, and came to mate with the daughters of men. Such mating produced the men of renown, which crept into myths as Hercules, Jason, Theseus, Odysseus, Perseus, etc.

 

[Golden Yak]

Their taking on human form and mating with humans produce the Nephilim, which stories of them passed down generation to generation eventually came to be the demi-gods of Greek and Roman mythology - Hercules, etc.

Such mating produced the men of renown, which crept into myths as Hercules, Jason, Theseus, Odysseus, Perseus, etc.

Interesting. What about the legendary monsters and beasts that some of these figures are alleged to have fought against as part of their fame? Creatures like the hydra, medusa, minotaur, etc... were they all some manner of Nephilim as well, with more monstrous features?

 

[EternalDragon]

The Sons of God are angels, created long before the universe ever was.

Sons of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Their taking on human form and mating with humans produce the Nephilim, which stories of them passed down generation to generation eventually came to be the demi-gods of Greek and Roman mythology - Hercules, etc. This also caused the angels (1/3 of them) to be thrown into Tartarus and bound with chains of darkness until the judgement.

Something that occurred long before Christ came.

2 Peter 2: 4-5

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;"


See also Jude 1:6

"And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day"

Angels were not meant to dwell amongst mankind. But some left their proper dwelling place, heaven, and came to mate with the daughters of men. Such mating produced the men of renown, which crept into myths as Hercules, Jason, Theseus, Odysseus, Perseus, etc.

Really I don't think angels were created to procreate nor are capable of it.

 

[Shemjaza]

Really I don't think angels were created to procreate nor are capable of it.

They weren't created to warp humans or torture their souls in a fiery pit either, but that is a pretty commonly accepted part of the mythology.

 

[dad]

The children produced by the sons of God and the descendants of Adam inherited the human intelligence of the descendants of Adam.

Sons of god are not apes though, so that kills your idea very dead. God created man and woman, so trying to get them smart by sex with apes is just not possible.

The sons of God were presumably not as intelligent as the descendants of Adam,

The sons of god met with God and Satan was there among them. Do you really think someone transported dumb apes to heaven? Totally out to lunch.

This seems very clear to me. I think it might be the most sensible interpretation of world science with theology I've yet heard.

Thank God He gave us the bible. Otherwise people would stumble in the dark like that.

 

[dad]

Really I don't think angels were created to procreate nor are capable of it.

I would suggest caution when speculating. If sons of god married women, what did they do it for, to watch them sew?

 

[dad]

The Sons of God are angels, created long before the universe ever was.

Sons of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Their taking on human form and mating with humans produce the Nephilim, which stories of them passed down generation to generation eventually came to be the demi-gods of Greek and Roman mythology - Hercules, etc. This also caused the angels (1/3 of them) to be thrown into Tartarus and bound with chains of darkness until the judgement.

Well well. I have heard this sort of thing from some bible teachers like John MacArthur, if I heard them right. I kinda wished I would find someone to defend that. Firstly, the way you recite the tale, does not include..maybe...or I believe...or perhaps...etc. You say it as if it was fact.


You of course have no way of knowing all that by any stretch of the imagination.

It seems to me that the root cause of such lines of belief is that some people think sex is evil, basically. Therefore, angels who did it must be demons.


I suggest we do not really know about angels and whether they have sex.



1 Corinthians 11:10 For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.

 

[EternalDragon]

They weren't created to warp humans or torture their souls in a fiery pit either, but that is a pretty commonly accepted part of the mythology.

Sorry, but that is not part of Christian theology. Nothing like
that appears in the Bible.

Hell is separation from God and heaven. It's not a pleasant
state.

 

[Aman777]

The Sons of God are angels, created long before the universe ever was.

Sons of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Their taking on human form and mating with humans produce the Nephilim, which stories of them passed down generation to generation eventually came to be the demi-gods of Greek and Roman mythology - Hercules, etc. This also caused the angels (1/3 of them) to be thrown into Tartarus and bound with chains of darkness until the judgement.

Something that occurred long before Christ came.

2 Peter 2: 4-5

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;"


See also Jude 1:6

"And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day"

Angels were not meant to dwell amongst mankind. But some left their proper dwelling place, heaven, and came to mate with the daughters of men. Such mating produced the men of renown, which crept into myths as Hercules, Jason, Theseus, Odysseus, Perseus, etc.

Dear Truthseeker, I would point you to your site:

Interpretation[edit]
Christian antiquity[edit]

Early Christian writers such as Justin Martyr, Eusebius, Clement of Alexandria, Origen and Commodianus have held the view that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:1-4 were fallen angels who engaged in unnatural union with human women, resulting in the begetting of the Nephilim.

You are accepting ancient men's thoughts above God's written Word. I prefer chapter and verse to any man's view. This is because the only person you agree with 100% is the one looking back at you from a Mirror.

Wiki:>>Modern Christians have argued against this view by reasoning on Jesus' comment in Matthew 22:30 that angels do not marry, although it only refers to angels in heaven.[1] Others saw them as descendants of Seth.[1] Saint Augustine subscribed to this view, based on the orations of Julius Africanus, in his book City of God which refer to the "sons of God" as being descendants of Seth (or Sethites), the pure line of Adam. The "daughters of men" are viewed as the descendants of Cain (or Cainites). Variations of this view was also received by Jewish philosophers.[27] James M.Scott also proposes that the identification of Jesus as a Son of God arose from the Adoptionist theology that was later rejected at Nicea.[28]

Notice that again it is impossible to believe just one of these INTERPRETATIONS of men, since there are so many of them. That is WHY I support my views with the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science, and History. To me, it means that I have come as close to God's Truth as is humanly possible. I also have a problem with your Version of Scripture since the KJV gives an entirely different view than your's. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Golden Yak

The children produced by the sons of God and the descendants of Adam inherited the human intelligence of the descendants of Adam.
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Sons of god are not apes though, so that kills your idea very dead. God created man and woman, so trying to get them smart by sex with apes is just not possible.

Dear Golden Yak, Notice that dad doesn't tell you who the sons of God are. It's because he doesn't know. He rejects God's Truth which shows that EVERY living creature was created and brought forth from the water on Day 5. Genesis 1:21 I suppose that means that EVERY living creature EXCEPT the sons of God who Science calls, Prehistoric people.

GY:>>The sons of God were presumably not as intelligent as the descendants of Adam,

The sons of god met with God and Satan was there among them. Do you really think someone transported dumb apes to heaven? Totally out to lunch.

I've already shown dad that Jesus was the FIRST to enter the Third Heaven, but he insists that the sons of God and Satan, went there in Spite of what Scripture clearly shows. If you cannot support your views with Scripture, then you can pick and choose whatever you want to believe.

Here is what Satan told the LORD:

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


Dad seems to think this says that the sons of God and Satan went to the third heaven. When you show him that the LORD God/Jesus was on Earth from the beginning, he mocks what is actually written.


GY:>>This seems very clear to me. I think it might be the most sensible interpretation of world science with theology I've yet heard.

Thank God He gave us the bible. Otherwise people would stumble in the dark like that.

Amen. Ask dad to support his views with Scripture, and watch the comedy begin. I love him more when he's shouting his unsupported beliefs into the wind. He's truly entertaining. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman