Ohhhh I think I get it....You are referring to those who believe the following verse:
"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."
No, read my post.
I'm referring to those who say, "you HAVE been healed; if your symptoms remain, it means that you need to declare your healing until they disappear".
I'm referring to those who say that physical healing is guaranteed and if you don't receive it, you don't have enough faith.
I'm not surprised you can't produce Scripture for those teachings; there isn't any.
This verse implies that you should believe you have what you ask for when you ask for it....and you SHALL, not might, have them.
And other verses say that we must pray in Jesus' name.
Praying in his name means praying according to his will and with his authority - not praying for any thing that suits us or that WE desire, and then tacking "in Jesus' name" onto the end of it.
It seems to me that it is scripture that you are against, not the doctrine of men. If not, you tell us the correct way to interpret this verse.
I'm not against Scripture at all. I believe in the whole teaching of Scripture, not odd verses taken out of context that doctrines are built on.
And Scripture clearly tells us to seek first the Kingdom of God, Matthew 6:33, that we cannot serve God and money, Matthew 6:24, that we should pray "thy will be done" in the Lord's Prayer, Matthew 6:10, that we should remain in Jesus, the true Vine, he will remain in us and then we will bear fruit which glorifies him, John 15:4-5. Bear fruit - not own many possessions.
Oh, you mean they believe these two verses:
"The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein."
"Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full."
Like I said, verses taken out of context are not good.
Would you say "ohhh, the following verses are in Scripture; 'then Judas went and hanged himself', 'go and do likewise', and 'what you do, do quickly' - so Scripture is telling me to commit suicide? Of course not.
The thing is, it was unto you as you believed. I told you, it matters not what another thinks and believes....only what you think and believe....and this situation proves it.
No; I believed that the Lord was absolutely able to heal me - but that if he did not, then he had some reason for that, would be with me IN it and would still be glorified.
I was told that the Lord would only really be glorified by my physical healing - which I was preventing because I did not have faith.
I still believe now as I did then - and the Lord healed me anyway.
No, "rebuking of symptoms" or "declaring my healing"; he just healed.
What do you think about this doctrine?:
"let the weak say, I am strong."
Scripture teaches that when we are weak then the Lord is strong, 2 Corinthians 12:10. If we do everything in our own strength, then the power of God won't be seen, and we;'ll get the praise, not him.
Scripture says that the Lord chose the things that the world considers to be weak to show his strength - an unarmed shepherd boy killed a giant, a fearful man killed an army with only 300 men (Gideon), elderly and barren women had babies, uneducated fishermen followed Jesus, turned the word upside down and wrote the Gospels, an itinerant preacher, the son of a carpenter, saved and reconciled mankind to God and has been given the name that is above every name.
Likewise, no one desires to be sick...but how can they be healed lest there be sent one with the words of healing?
Jesus healed people without even being physically present.
God can heal anyone.
Moreover, what is our state when the ones who are suppose to have the words of healing, are declaring: healing isnt guaranteed...God does not heal all.....you make God a vending machine is you expect healing.....
Quite the opposite; it is those who say "believe this doctrine, say these words, put in enough coins of faith/say enough prayers, and God will deliver healing."
If physical healing was guaranteed to all Christians, no believer would ever be ill. Yet we see from the NT that that was not the case - Paul was ill, so were Timothy, Trophimus, 2 Timothy 4:20 and Epaphroditus, Philippians 2:27. Thousands of Christians have died from illness - yet remained faithful and glorified God IN it.
What happens is we build a larger nazareth, full of people unable to be healed because of unbelief.
In the NT Jesus healed some people without asking if they even had faith, never mind how much.
I repeat, I had faith in the God who heals - I had no faith in the doctrine "you HAVE been healed, if your symptoms remain, rebuke them and confess your healing".
It is because I would not accept that doctrine that I was told I had no faith.
In spite of not believing that doctrine, the lord healed me.