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A Biblical Divorce

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RJHarmony84 said:
my husband has been released from jail, and has since called me on the phone, and tried to talk to me 4 times in a public place--pleading and begging for me to give him another chance, looking like a skeleton from not eating for 3 months, and trying to convince me that he's a changed man. And I clouldn't care less--I'm already in another relationship, one I find much more fulfilling, spiritually, emotionally, and physically. Praise God for second chances...and for giving us a choice wheter or not to give second chances!
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I realize you are very young and I'm sorry to have to be so harsh, but God is NOT what you have chosen to do. You are MARRIED..........and in another relationship? You are in no less sin that those your husband was guilty of. Also, your husband has come to you asking/begging for forgiveness and your response is "I could care less"---you are withholding forgiveness from him?..........Do you understand what Jesus said about that type of response and what His response will be toward you? You and your husband both need to forgive each other's sexual sins and repent to the Lord. If your husband is not a Christian, at least you need to do what is right in the Lord's sight...............
 
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RJHarmony84 said:
Thanks everyone for your support/opinions...I haven't changed my decision to divorce my husband, and I hadn't planned to, so I'm jsut the same.
A little update on the situation--my husband has been released from jail, and has since called me on the phone, and tried to talk to me 4 times in a public place--pleading and begging for me to give him another chance, looking like a skeleton from not eating for 3 months, and trying to convince me that he's a changed man. And I clouldn't care less--I'm already in another relationship, one I find much more fulfilling, spiritually, emotionally, and physically. Praise God for second chances...and for giving us a choice wheter or not to give second chances!
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Given everything you told us about your horrible abusive circumstances, I agree with your decision to divorce your husband. :thumbsup: I'm glad you are staying strong and have decided to leave an abusive situation for the safety of you and your children. The only thing I would caution you, however, is that it is not a good idea to jump into another relationship without first being officially divorced from your husband. Also I think it would be better for you to give yourself at least a year to emotionally heal and grow stronger to God before jumping into another relationship. It's okay for you to make strong Christian friends, but I think it would be in your best interest to stay away from a romantic relationship until you have completely healed. :angel:
 
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Just remember this---

I looked for every reason to "justify" why I left a man that was mentally unfaithful, then physically.
Then I looked for every reason to leave a boyfriend that hit me--

I have tortured myself over it for along time..until I remember this

JESUS FORGIVES..that's why he died for us...
doesn't mean that it's always right, but get on your knees girl. It will help..I promise.
 
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The issue of divorce is a big one today. Once quite rare, society’s attitudes have changed and the rate of divorce in Christian marriages is getting closer to that of the general population. The ‘failure rate’ of divorce has led to an increasing scepticism of marriage itself. Many people just don’t bother, and simply chose to move in with each other. For many younger people, the undermining of marriage has contributed to more accepting attitudes towards pre marital sex.



There is still much guilt attached to divorce. Christians struggle with biblical teaching that severely limits the grounds for divorce. Then there is the issue of remarriage, which for many people faced with traditional teaching, feel they are left with little choice, and drop out from their churches. There are real issues facing marriages where there is harmful abuse, yet scripture does not seem to cover such situations.



Here I have amended a previous post so that it is more relevant to the discussions that have been taking place recently on this troubled matter. I trust that it will be helpful. This information is presented within the framework that any divorce is a deviation from God’s intention. However, it is just one deviation – all sin comes under that description, and we must not elevate divorce into “celebrity status” amongst other sins.



There is Jesus’ teaching about divorce. This passage in the Sermon on the Mount is an example. Matt 5:31-32 "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.



It starts with Jesus quoting a common saying “It has been said”. In Jesus’ day there were two schools of thought amongst the religious leaders. One group were quite strict about divorce. The other was very liberal. A man could divorce his wife for something as petty as burning the toast (modern example). Jesus firmly corrects that liberal view by restating the old principle that marital unfaithfulness was the only biblically sanctioned ground for divorce. This recognises the special nature of sexual relationships between people – a far cry from many modern attitudes.



Today, that statement has now become the basis for opposing divorce on any other ground. We must note that it occurs within the context of the Sermon on the Mount. Here, Jesus constantly compares the outwardly pious beliefs of the religious leaders with the true demands of inner righteousness that would characterise those who become part of His new kingdom. Jesus constantly affirms God’s true principles, which in those verses is marriage.



Elsewhere Jesus again dealt with divorce and remarriage. Matt 19:3-9 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."



Again, we see in the words expressed “for any reason” the liberal view. Jesus rebuts that position by referring to the creation story- back to first principles. Then Jesus refutes their belief that, because Moses allowed for a certificate of divorce they were justified in doing the same. Jesus was pointing out to them that it was never God’s intention for marriage that it be prematurely ended.



Having said that, we must see that Jesus was not imposing a new and stricter law. Many have taken this scripture and taught that Jesus was “tightening up” on custom, and that only death or adultery are now grounds for divorce. That is unfortunate, as Jesus was challenging their laxity towards marriage that was commonly held by some in his day. His emphasis still hold true today. We must always see marriage within a framework of a lifelong bond between two people. Anything less does not fulfil God’s intention for marriage.



Death and adultery are valid grounds for divorce. That is clear. Having made that point we must now look at how we are to treat situations such as abusive relationships.



That Jesus was not stating a new law with even greater restrictions than under the Mosaic covenant can be inferred from the scriptures.



One ground is that Paul adds another reason, where an unbelieving partner may call the marriage off. Paul states that he received such approval from Christ, but it is interesting that Jesus did not reveal this new condition until later, when a practical issue was confronting the christian community. Can we then add other reasons, based on practical considerations, provided that we are not inconsistent with biblical principles?



I believe we can. The destruction of a person, as occurs in an abusive relationship would qualify under what Jesus taught in John 10:10 “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” The destruction of another personality by an abusive partner and parent is the work of evil. Nowhere in Scripture are we told to submit ourselves to evil. Then, there are the children to consider.



Then, we must never forget children in any violent and abusive relationship. When you have counselled adults who had such childhood experiences you see what devastation those environments produce. Did Jesus really teach that children are to have their lives distorted by an insoluble marriage?



Then, if a relationship does not exhibit the loving, the intimacy (“knowing”) and the gentleness of mutual submission, is it a marriage at all? Has it become so unlike what God intended that it can no loner qualify as a God ordained marriage? God loves “the world” but he will separate Himself from unrepentant evil doers. Should we do less in a very unhealthy and destructive relationship? Separation happens because the marriage no longer exists, except as a legal entity. God divorced Israel as the nation had consistently failed to live up to the requirements of their relationship with him. Jesus never denied the “hardness of heart” referred to earlier as the reason for some marriages ending in divorce. He just challenged the assumption that we should accept human failure as a reason to undermine the divine intention for marriage, especially as the more liberal religious rules had done so.



Then there is the matter of a divorced and remarried person committing adultery. Jesus teaching did apply to those of the liberal school. God did not recognise their petty grounds for divorce. He was stating that deciding to marry another woman due to some minor infringement was a simple disguise to avoid the label of adultery. But God was not fooled by that, and regarded the matter for what it was. Jesus teaching on looking at a woman and “lusting” was addressing the same issue. Here He was in effect saying something like this “If you see a woman and decide you prefer her to the wife you already have you have in fact committed adultery. Your subsequent plans to find reason to divorce your current wife, although strictly proper in your eyes, is no more than plain old adultery in God’s eyes. You continue with your outward respectability, but God has already placed His judgement on you for the low view you have taken about the marriage covenant.”



If Jesus was giving us a new and stricter law, then we are obliged to spell out the details. What was the adultery? Was it the act of getting remarried and having intercourse? Then, we could just repent and get that out of the way. Or, was it every time the couple had intercourse? So, sex must always be followed by repentance, which would be somewhat hollow, as there obviously would be no intention to discontinue. It comes close to having a new, unforgivable sin.



Those are my grounds and reasons for looking at this troublesome area with compassion, yet without my having to abandon biblical principles. I affirm dearly God’s intentions for marriage, and I distance myself completely from the attitudes of many moderns. Divorce must never be the first option for either party, but only after other avenues have been tried.



However, fallen people fail in so many ways. Some marriages don’t work. The Christian community needs to continue to lovingly relate to such people, bring them to a position where they can face up to the reasons and consequences for what happened, and receive acceptance within the ‘family’. The hard attitudes of some have resulted in many separated and divorced people finding no place left for them in the christian community. That should never be.





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RJHarmony84 said:
Thank you all...but I no longer need any divorce. I'm a widow now. As for my "other relationship" we are still going strong, and very much in love!
thanks for all your prayers and support,
Helena

Too bad sorry to hear that. Hey congratulations!:scratch:
 
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I am very new to this board. I too am a young widow. Of course mine was of a different nature. I just felt so compelled to let you know that you are in my prayers and I am so sad for the journey you have been on. Please remember that God is with you every step of the way. I know that you have moved on but my prayer for you is to continue seeking spiritual guidance. I have a dear friend that was in a relationship like yours when her husband died and she has had an extremely rough time of it. She moved on with someone without working through that old painful damage and as of today she is extremely lose. Your deceased husband gave you a lot of grief prior to his death, you must be able to deal with that and his death before healing completely. My heart and prayers go out to you and I pray that God will bless you from this day for ward. You deserve it girl. :crossrc: ((((((big hugs)))))):hug:
 
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Too bad sorry to hear that. Hey congratulations!:scratch:

Husband cheats on wife, wife cheats on husband and uses husbands infidelity as reason to pursue divorce, the entire time attempting to look for justification in the Bible; justification which will never be found.

What a sad situation the church is in. Not because of the view of divorce, but because the views of the congregation thinking that divorce is simply one more thing that we can be forgiven for. That we borrow against Christ's forgiveness is frightening; not only to the stability of the church, but to the future of the interpretation of God's word - for our children and theirs.

No one is perfect; everyone is sinful, myself likely moreso than most. All need forgiveness and a shoulder to lean on. But to purposely twist the Truth, both in our lives and in the Gospels, to fit our perception and our desires is testimony to the disposition of the Christian's true belief system. And it's a sad picture that is painted.

And to that end, I pop back in here every 6-12 months to see if the focus is on the truth, or if it's on the desire for justification. I guess I write with disappointment knowing that amongst this large body of believers - a community with a common faith - is still such confusion about what is clearly stated. AutumLeaf has asked for someone to point him to words that no one will be able to find. Like him, I wait patiently for that challenge to be met.

Take care, all.
 
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I am standing for my marriage. My husband has left home and no longer desires to be married. I am standing with God on His Word that what He has joined together, let no man put asunder. I am standing on His promise that He will restore us.
I have been looking only to His Word and to restoreministries.net (which is only based on His Word).
I choose not to seek counsel outside of my Father in Heaven who is The Counselor. I have been advised by Pastors to seek divorce...which is very tragic to me.
God hates divorce. He says it over and over in His Word.
What more do we need? Why must everyone seek to find some personal justification between the lines?
I find none.

~Standing~
 
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Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Matthew 5:31
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-15 (read the WHOLE chapter)
And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:
But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.
But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.


Clearly it states that divorce for adultery (fornication) is permissible and you can be free to remarry ... So as to not confuse the issue ... I'll leave it at that.

Please also remember ... that as Christians our oath or vow is very important and we must prayerfully commit to doing everything possible to fulfill our vows. In this circumstance, you are certainly justified, but take some time ... get some marital counseling alone or with your spouse from your pastor.

Don't expect to have all the answers or to find them quickly. Pray ... seek God's guidance in all that you do.

Emily


 
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Wow. Pretty wide swing of opinions.

Here's a thought...

EVERY Time a wife breaks the vow to "Love" she cheats.
EVERY Time a husband breaks the vow to "cherrish" he cheats.
EVERY Time either break ANY of the vows they spoke to one-another, they are cheating the OTHER of their promise.

The ONLY vow some of you like to consider as 'serious' is the vow to 'forsake all others' - when frankly, the OTHER vows broken can be MORE destructive. At least AS destructive.
 
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dmp said:
EVERY Time a wife breaks the vow to "Love" she cheats.
EVERY Time a husband breaks the vow to "cherrish" he cheats.
EVERY Time either break ANY of the vows they spoke to one-another, they are cheating the OTHER of their promise.

QUOTE]

:preach: I agree.
 
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Most believe divorce and putting away are the same thing. They are not. Jesus was talking to the Pharasees about putting away. Here is a good analysis. Feel free to question it, please don't start a debate.

Marriage and Divorce
A Clear and Intelligible Exposition
by Robert Waters​

It seems to be taken for granted by many that when Jesus condemned the practice of "putting away" a wife, He was talking about divorce as we understand it today. But, if that was the case, why have translators not consistently used the word divorce instead of put away where divorce is supposedly the meaning? It is argued that put away and divorce are synonymous, but is this true? Is it possible that there was indeed the practice of "putting away" that was something different from a legal divorce, and which did not dissolve the marriage, regardless of the reason for the separation? Before we consider what the Scriptures teach on this important subject, we must be willing to put aside our current opinions and accept only what we find written in the word of God.

The Law under which Jesus lived (and was obligated to follow) made provisions for a marriage to be dissolved (Deut. 24:1-2; ASV) because of the hardness of man’s heart (Matt. 19:8).

"When a man taketh a wife, and marrieth her, then it shall be, if she find no favor in his eyes, because he hath found some unseemly thing in her, that he shall write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife."

We see, then, that God laid down the procedure for a man to dissolve a marriage. This command was a procedure consisting of three separate actions (see below). Previous to this, men were simply putting away or sending their wives out of the house (women did not have the same rights). At that time, men were permitted to have more than one wife and received a dowry also. But if a man divorced his wife then the dowry had to be returned. The dowry, however, did not have to be returned in a case where there was no formal divorce. We can see, then, that simply sending his wife out of the house was a way of avoiding any financial loss. However, the consequences were very serious for the wife: without a formal divorce, she was left without a home and a means of support; and, being still married, it was not lawful for her to remarry. For a married woman to have sexual relations with another man was considered an act of adultery that was punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10). Husbands who dealt treacherously with their wives (by putting them away and marrying another, which was contrary to the teaching of Moses) were committing adultery against them – adultery meaning "covenant breaking" or "breaking wedlock." (See Mark 10:11 and Ezek 16:38 ASV, BBE, and CEV.)

The wife that was put out of the house may well have been innocent of any wrongdoing, yet she could not marry another without a certificate of divorcement that proved her marriage was legally dissolved. Thus, husbands who refused to give a bill of divorcement to those whom they had put away were disobeying God. It is interesting that the same evil practice among the Jews is still going on to this day. The following is an Internet link to an article that you will find enlightening: www.totalhealth.bz/spiritualneeds/Jewish_Women_in_Chains.html .

Nowadays, in most countries, wives too are permitted to divorce their husbands; consequently women are not so vulnerable to being left homeless and destitute the way Jewish wives often are due to their husbands' refusal to present them with divorce papers. Nevertheless, the same sort of thing is experienced by both women and men today! People who have been divorced are being told by church leaders that, being divorced, they are ineligible for marriage and must remain unmarried or face the loss of fellowship in their church.



During the Mosaic age, a husband would often send (put) his wife away (Heb. Shalach, Gk. Apoluo) without a certificate of divorce. In God's sight, though, the husband committed adultery against her. Furthermore, his wife would find herself homeless and destitute and unable to remarry; to do so would be to commit adultery, and any man who married her would commit adultery (see Mark 10:11; Matt. 5:31-32), a crime that was punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10).

However, God laid down a procedure to prevent such evils and protect wives from such treachery. This procedure consisted of three actions: writing her a bill of divorcement, placing it in her hand, and sending her away (Deut. 24:1-2).

Interestingly, there is no suggestion in Jesus' teaching that the man who initiates “divorce” commits adultery (Matt. 5:31-32; Mark 10:11). Seeing this, some people, contending that the "put away person" has no right to marry, reason that a person needs only to ensure that he is the one filing for divorce. (This suggestion is, apparently, imprudent as it tends to encourage divorce because people feel compelled to divorce when they have the "grounds" and before the other spouse divorces them, making them a "put away person" and "ineligible for marriage"). But the only significance to this observation is that the men would not commit adultery in the marriage with another because they were allowed to have more than one wife. There is no evidence that the men discussed in the context (which goes back to Deut. 24:1-4 for the specific passage of the Law) were divorcing their wives "for fornication" or because they had committed adultery. Since the Law called for the death penalty for adultery, this theory lacks credence (Leviticus 20:10).

Jesus, like all faithful Jews, was obedient to the Law. No one could accuse Jesus of changing the Law (before the cross) because He Himself promised, "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt. 5:18). In view of this, we see a serious error with the traditional teaching, attributed to Jesus, that a divorced person commits adultery if he remarries. The problem, then, in understanding who has a right to marry, hinges on the meaning of divorced. Many of the newer Bible versions translate the Greek word apoluo as divorced but the older and more reliable versions consistently translate apoluo as "put away" (or something similar).

Let us now note a couple of definitions from Random House Dictionary and make some observations:

Divorce
1. Law. a judicial declaration dissolving a marriage in whole or in part, esp. one that released the husband and wife from all matrimonial obligations.
2. Any formal separation of man and wife according to established custom, as among uncivilized tribes. 3. total separation; disunion: a divorce between thought and action. 4. to separate by divorce: The judge divorced the couple. 5. to break the marriage contract between oneself and [one's spouse] by divorce: She divorced her husband.

Judicial separation
Law. a decree of legal separation of husband and wife that does not dissolve the marriage bond. Also called limited divorce.

It is interesting that some contemporary writers use the phrase "put away person" when referring to a divorced person. This is misleading because "put away" is equal to being separated, not divorced – according to the Law of Moses. Even a judicial separation is not a divorce and does not end the marriage. While it is true that a divorce does separate a couple, it is also true that a couple can separate without divorcing. A married couple who separate might claim they are divorced but, in reality, they are still married. Those who teach that "putting away" a spouse (without a "bill of divorcement") constitutes a divorce are not only teaching error, but make Jesus a liar! If a "put away" person equals a "divorced" person then Jesus broke His promise that the Law would not change until all was fulfilled (Matt. 5:18). When one who is "put away" (or separated) marries another he obviously commits adultery. But it is important to understand that God gave a procedure for divorcing that would allow that one to marry another. Jesus could not possibly have contradicted Moses on this because to do so would have been transgression and would have given the Jews just cause to condemn Him. Interestingly, they did not charge Jesus with breaking the Law on this matter, yet people today (supposedly His friends!) contend that He did.

The apostle Paul spoke to the "unmarried" person in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9. The word unmarried means: single, unattached, free, not married. “Not joined to another by marriage" [Encarta Dictionary]. To anyone who might not understand His universal divorce law, which freed the divorced, God gave a direct command: "let them marry." Unfortunately, a misunderstanding of Jesus' teaching has led many to ignore this command.

Many believe that the only instance where God recognizes a divorce is when one's spouse has committed fornication. This is based on their conception of what Jesus was teaching in Matthew: "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery" (Matthew 19:9 KJV). The misunderstanding centers around two things: 1) the phrase "put away" and, 2) the definition of the word fornication. We have already discussed the meaning of put away so we will focus on the meaning of fornication. The word fornication is often believed to be a general term for any type of illicit sex. But consider the following quote:

“The Old Testament commandment that a bill of divorce be given to the woman assumes the legitimacy of divorce itself. It is this that Jesus denies. (Unless the marriage is unlawful): this ‘exceptive clause,’ as it is often called, occurs also in Matthew 19:9, where the Greek is slightly different. There are other sayings of Jesus about divorce that prohibit it absolutely (see Mark 10:11-12; Luke 16:18; cf 1 Cor 7:10, 11b), and most scholars agree that they represent the stand of Jesus. Matthew's ‘exceptive clauses’ are understood by some as a modification of the absolute prohibition. It seems, however, that the unlawfulness that Matthew gives as a reason why a marriage must be broken refers to a situation peculiar to his community: the violation of Mosaic law forbidding marriage between persons of certain blood and/or legal relationship (Lev 18:6-18). Marriages of that sort were regarded as incest (porneia), but some rabbis allowed Gentile converts to Judaism who had contracted such marriages to remain in them. Matthew's ‘exceptive clause’ is against such permissiveness for Gentile converts to Christianity; cf the similar prohibition of porneia in Acts 15:20, 29. In this interpretation, the clause constitutes no exception to the absolute prohibition of divorce when the marriage is lawful” www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew5.htm (footnote 21).

The word fornication, then, is the violation of Mosaic Law forbidding marriage between persons of blood relationships. The only two examples we have recorded in the New Testament where a marriage was said to be unlawful, or fornication, were the man who "had his father's wife" (1 Corinthians 5:1) and Herod, who married his brother's wife (apparently after divorce) while he still lived (mark 5:18; Lev. 20:21).
With this in mind, we offer the following paraphrase of Matt. 19:9:

"And I say unto you, whoever shall put away his wife without a certificate of divorcement, except in cases where he is married to a close relative forbidden by the Law, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away without a certificate of divorcement doth commit adultery."

Therefore, the traditional teaching that divorced people are still married in the sight of God is without Biblical support.

The idea that Jesus was giving the grounds for a “scriptural” divorce, and that only the one who initiated the divorce may marry another, is not in harmony with the Bible. Such a doctrine has God not only punishing innocent persons, contrary to His nature, but also has Him contradicting Himself. When the apostle Paul (by inspiration) dealt with questions pertaining to marriage, he said to let men and women have a spouse so they can avoid fornication (1 Cor. 7:1, 2). By teaching men to "love their wives" (Col 3:19) and women to "be in subjection" to their husbands (Eph. 5:22) he teaches against separation and divorce; but obviously it happens. Yet only during the "present distress" were those who were separated commanded to remain "unmarried" or in the state they were in -- as unmarried (1 Cor. 7:10, 11, 26). There is no command, example or inference that teaches that divorced persons must remain celibate. The following is a link to an article that deals with the contention that Paul taught celibacy for the divorced: www.totalhealth.bz/spiritualneeds/Celibacy.html .

In his answer to the brethren in Corinth, Paul makes it clear that people should marry, if necessary, to avoid fornication. He says to anyone who would object to the unmarried marrying: "let them marry" and "He sinneth not." We must accept that a legal divorce dissolves a marriage and that "unmarried" persons do not commit adultery when they marry. Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 7:1-2, 8, 9, 27, 28, 36 should leave no doubt in our minds that divorced persons may scripturally marry another. For a church to refuse to accept a couple because one person in the marriage has been divorced is to place an unnecessary burden on the couple, and their children, which often results in their turning away from Christ. Thus, Paul's classifying "forbidding to marry" as "doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1-3) surely condemns the traditional teaching and practice of forbidding legally divorced persons to marry, or to continue in a legal marriage. Furthermore, he said: "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry" (1Cor 7:36). The phrase any man is not limited to virgins or those who have never been married. Thus, persons who are unmarried, which includes those legally divorced, must be allowed to marry if they see the need, for they do not sin if they do. On the other hand, one who is thus guilty of "forbidding to marry" does indeed commit sin.

Recommended reading:
www.totalhealth.bz/spiritualneeds/Divorce_Sermon.html
www.totalhealth.bz/spiritualneeds/Forbidding_To_Marry.html

http://www.totalhealth.bz/spiritualneeds/Marriage_and_Divorce_a_clear_and_intelligible_exposition.html
 
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Just one question Svt4Hhim. How come every Bible I've ever picked up doesn't say what you say it should? Have all the translators, thologians, and church leaders in history been wrong up until this point in history? Should the Church have relented when Henry VIII wanted to marry yet again?
 
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Autumnleaf said:
Just one question Svt4Hhim. How come every Bible I've ever picked up doesn't say what you say it should? Have all the translators, thologians, and church leaders in history been wrong up until this point in history? Should the Church have relented when Henry VIII wanted to marry yet again?

First let me ask which verse above have you not found, then let me assume it's the most common one. How about I pick up some versions of the Bible for you. But before I do, let me address the emotional appeal. Was it God's will that Mariam stay with her abusive husband up until the time he killed her on the front steps, or is God more concerned with people than He is with institutions? Was man made for marriage or was marriage made for man? You don't need to answer, but Mariam died two blocks away from me, I lived with her brother Mitch when I was yonger, and Mitch was the one who found her. She died on the way to the hospital from multiple stab wounds, while her three kids slept in their rooms:

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](ASV) but I say unto you, that every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the
cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress: and whosoever shall marry her
when she is PUT AWAY committeth adultery.


(Bible in Basic English) But I say to you that everyone who puts away his wife
for any other cause but the loss of her virtue, makes her false to her husband;
and whoever takes her as his wife after she is PUT AWAY, is no true husband
to her.


(Darby) But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
cause of fornication, makes her commit adultery, and whosoever marries one
that is PUT AWAY commits adultery.


(DRB) But I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, excepting the
cause of fornication, maketh her to commit adultery: and he that shall marry her
that is PUT AWAY, committeth adultery.


(LITV) But I say to you, Whoever puts away his wife, apart from a matter of
fornication, causes her to commit adultery. And whoever shall marry the one
PUT AWAY commits adultery.


(MKJV) But I say to you that whoever shall put away his wife, except for the cause
of fornication, causes her to commit adultery. And whoever shall marry her who is
PUT AWAY commits adultery.


(Worldwide English) But I tell you, no man may send away his wife unless she has
committed adultery. If he does send her away, he is making her commit adultery.
And if a man marries a woman who has been sent away from her husband, he
commits adultery.’

[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] (World English Bible) But I tell you that whoever puts away his wife, except for
the cause of sexual immorality, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries her
when she is put away commits adultery.
[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] (WYC) But I say to you, that every man that leaveth his wife [that every man
that shall leave his wife], except (for) [the] cause of fornication, maketh her to do
lechery, and he that weddeth the forsaken wife, doeth adultery.


(Youngs Literal Translation) But I—I say to you, that whoever may PUT AWAY
his wife, save for the matter of whoredom, doth make her to commit adultery; and
whoever may marry her who hath been PUT AWAY doth commit adultery.

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Svt4Him said:
First let me ask which verse above have you not found, then let me assume it's the most common one. How about I pick up some versions of the Bible for you. But before I do, let me address the emotional appeal. Was it God's will that Mariam stay with her abusive husband up until the time he killed her on the front steps, or is God more concerned with people than He is with institutions? Was man made for marriage or was marriage made for man? You don't need to answer, but Mariam died two blocks away from me, I lived with her brother Mitch when I was yonger, and Mitch was the one who found her. She died on the way to the hospital from multiple stab wounds, while her three kids slept in their rooms:
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If it was God's will for his own son to be severely beaten and crucified, what makes you think Mariam's situation was outside of his providence?
 
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Autumnleaf said:
If it was God's will for his own son to be severely beaten and crucified, what makes you think Mariam's situation was outside of his providence?

Kind of lost sight of the issue here haven't we?
 
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1 Peter 4:12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.

1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.

It is awful for someone to die in such a horrible way, but I believe it does help to remember His Sovereignty. He has been there during every martyr's torture and death, and we have to remember that His ways are higher than ours and put our trust in Him. He is faithful to deliver us in His time and in His way.

"Farther along we'll know all about it. Farther along we'll understand why."
 
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