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A Bad "Design"

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If I were a deity, I would be ashamed if I designed humans. Here are some awful "design" flaws which are easily explainable with evolution, but make no sense if the human body was designed from scratch.

1. That our respiratory system and gastrointestinal system share the same tube at any point. Evolutionary explanation: building upon preexisting structures to allow for multiple functions is far more common and requires fewer mutations than the development of completely separate, independent structures. Why this is a flaw for design: choking. A deity would easily be able to make two separate tubes that were just near each other, never haveing to significantly change the positions of any other internal organs or external features to prevent the choking hazard produced by this "design", which has no benefits over two separate tubes. In fact, the tubes are separate for most of their length. But not for enough of it to prevent thousands of deaths every year in just the U.S. alone, B.E.CPR - Become Educated in CPR .

2. The strain on our spines. Evolutionary explanation: freeing up the hands was more advantageous than back problems were disadvantageous during and before reproductive years, thus this trait was naturally selected for. Why this is a flaw for design: a deity could easily design a skeleton that allowed for bipedal movement without creating horrific back problems. These issues are excessively common in our species, along with issues with most of our supporting joints, such as our knees and hips. These problems are not something that has to occur in order to achieve bipedal movement, so why make a design that has these issues?

3. Shoulder and other joint instability. Evolutionary explanation: it is a consequence of allowing for a wider range of motion; natural biology just won't be able to produce joints that don't have reduced stability with increased mobility. Why this is a flaw for design: unless the designer has limits, this is inexcusable. Tendons would just have to be made stronger to fix this, really.

now for the bad ones people sometimes bring up. These aren't really "design flaws", but sometimes people bring them up as if they are.

1. Eye placement. I have heard some people argue that our eye placement is bad, that they should be placed farther apart to give us a wider field of vision, or some other such nonsense. Our eyes are fine where they are, in fact, this is typical eye placement for predators, and humans were primarily hunter gatherers way back. Eyes farther apart would prevent us from having as much focus on objects as we do, and make us less precise. This is only an advantage for prey animals, who aren't looking to target moving objects, but rather need to detect movement from as wide a view as possible. Are our eyes the greatest design in the animal world? No, but they aren't bad by any means, and they get the job done. What use would freeing up our hands be if we didn't have the ability to focus our eyes and be dexterous with them?

2. Feet not like hands: Our limbs no longer make it much of an advantage to have feet that function like hands, which many other apes do. Our bodies are unstable enough as it is without us trying to hop around carrying stuff with both our hands and one of our feet.

3. Ear placement and nose placement: these are similar to the eye placement arguments. Our ears are forward so we can communicate with people easier (collect all visual and auditory information while facing the same direction), and we can always use our ever so handy hands to bring things to our face for smell, or just bend over a bit. Besides, would we really want our noses any closer to our anuses than they have to be? I sure don't.
 

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1. Eye placement. I have heard some people argue that our eye placement is bad, that they should be placed farther apart to give us a wider field of vision, or some other such nonsense. Our eyes are fine where they are, in fact, this is typical eye placement for predators, and humans were primarily hunter gatherers way back. ...

I agree about placement, but what about eye design?

From what I understand Octopi and Birds and have better eye designs vis a vis the placement of the nerves and blood vessels of the retina. Am I incorrect?
 
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From what I understand Octopi and Birds and have better eye designs. Am I incorrect?

Do you live in the water like the octopus do? The sea water blocks out UV rays.

Man was made perfect, everything God made was perfect and it was very good.
 
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I agree about placement, but what about eye design?

From what I understand Octopi and Birds and have better eye designs vis a vis the placement of the nerves and blood vessels of the retina. Am I incorrect?

Better for what they need. More sensory information than we need would just waste energy and be distracting. Birds need to see farther than humans do, but in contrast, humans have a better sense of smell than most birds.
 
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Do you live in the water like the octopus do? The sea water blocks out UV rays.

Man was made perfect, everything God made was perfect and it was very good.

uh, humans do not see with UV rays, so I don't see how that would be relevant to the vision discussion. In fact, UV rays can damage our eyes.
 
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If I were a deity, I would be ashamed if I designed humans. Here are some awful "design" flaws which are easily explainable with evolution, but make no sense if the human body was designed from scratch.

1. That our respiratory system and gastrointestinal system share the same tube at any point.

Doesn't sound to me like a bad idea. If a tube ran directly from your mouth to your stomach, without having any reference to your lungs, you would be dead the first time you had a blocked nose.
 
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Doesn't sound to me like a bad idea. If a tube ran directly from your mouth to your stomach, without having any reference to your lungs, you would be dead the first time you had a blocked nose.

-_- then just make another opening to breathe through that doesn't have the same response to disease and allergies. Oh, another nice flaw, our inflammitory response and how it can do more damage to our bodies than the disease it is responding to can within the same amount of time. Why the heck can our immune response KILL US, when its purpose it to protect us?
 
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If I were a deity, I would be ashamed if I designed humans.
I, for one, think God did a great job designing humans.

Here's one example:

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This one might appeal to you:

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Whaddaya think? :)
 
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I, for one, think God did a great job designing humans.

Here's one example:

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This one might appeal to you:

bradley-cooper-300.jpg


Whaddaya think? :)

I think one of your pictures isn't showing, and that I am not a fan of facial hair. Also, one day at the beach will show you the majority of humanity is not even at 8/10
 
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I think one of your pictures isn't showing, and that I am not a fan of facial hair. Also, one day at the beach will show you the majority of humanity is not even at 8/10
Heh. I'll suggest that our biggest health and image problems are because we age. And that's our own fault.

One of the pictures isn't visible? Bummer, I can see both Audrey Hepburn and Bradley Cooper.
 
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Heh. I'll suggest that our biggest health and image problems are because we age. And that's our own fault.

One of the pictures isn't visible? Bummer, I can see both Audrey Hepburn and Bradley Cooper.

Humans can have back problems before the age of 20 if they actually do manual labor (not just by being overweight). Is that old to you? Additionally, wear and tear on our joints is not just from age, but from use, so even if we stayed young forever, our joints would wear out. It would just happen more slowly.

and last time I checked, anyone is capable of accidentally choking.
 
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Funny how Noah built an Ark at the age of 600, isn't it?

That's some design flaw!

Funny how I don't believe that happened, (and you know why), but he had help from his family, which had far younger members. We still call him poor old Noah for a reason though; he could have been suffering with every piece of wood put in place. Also, didn't it take him a super long time to build?
 
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Humans can have back problems before the age of 20 if they actually do manual labor (not just by being overweight). Is that old to you? Additionally, wear and tear on our joints is not just from age, but from use, so even if we stayed young forever, our joints would wear out. It would just happen more slowly.

and last time I checked, anyone is capable of accidentally choking.
Well, from my Biblical perspective, people who were closer to our original design criteria could expect a lifespan of 900+ years. I think that's pretty darn good.

And that was without the medicinal effects of the tree of life, which would've sustained them indefinitely as long as they kept eating from it.

I agree that doesn't cover accidents. I believe Adam could've died had he swum out too far out into one of those rivers. But he didn't.

If you're looking for immortality, as I am, I suggest the resurrection.
 
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Well, from my Biblical perspective, people who were closer to our original design criteria could expect a lifespan of 900+ years. I think that's pretty darn good.

What are the specifics of this original design you speak of?
 
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Do you live in the water like the octopus do? The sea water blocks out UV rays.

Man was made perfect, everything God made was perfect and it was very good.

Why not have a UV filtering lens?

Better yet, make the sun not produce UV light
 
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