911 Towers Were Exploded Outwards, Not Collapsed

[oldbetang]

So now 9/11 is reduced to nothing but a mere plane hijacking......niicce!!! Then you say unprecedented inside job? Lol!! Have you never read about the history of false flags? Have you never read Op Northwoods?

History of false flags? Northwoods? Remind me again just what was carried out with that one.

 

[ManFromUncle]

There are a lot of unanswered questions about 9/11, but is there any real point to debating it at this point? It's not going to change anything. The war in Iraq alone is enough to justify locking up every member of the Bush-Cheney administration and throwing away the key. But the people in power never seem to face justice on earth.

It is important because we are headed for a financial meltdown and possibly more false flag attacks unless the perpetrators believe people are too wise to it now. When the meltdown occurs as a result of Grand Theft 911 ($50,000 to $100,000 per family in cost of the 911 Wars, straight into the pockets of war profiteers) it will be important to understand who to blame. They will try to blame it on Muslims or immigrants, to cover their getaway to their offshore villas. It's unconfirmed, but I can believe it, I read where the super-rich have escape plans, private helicopters to take them to private airports where they have planes waiting. If you are a Halliburton billionaire having a couple of Learjets is like you are me buying a car.

Hard to believe a financial meltdown from debt and social disorder can't happen in this country? Economist and investment banker Peter Schiff says you had better get ready even for bread lines:

YouTube - ‪Peter Schiff: Americans must prepare for deepening unemployment, inflation and possible breadlines‬‏

In this country people generally don't do anything until their backs are to the wall, like during Vietnam when there was a draft, so people were in the streets because it was their own rears, or children, who could get sent to the rice paddies. Understanding that 911 was a false flag attack is nothing less than self-defense against being manipulated yet again.

I notice that in 4 or 5 posts, just as predicted, Btodd did not address any of the facts I presented or the issue of destruction of evidence, so here it is again.

To the question of why would the far, inland side of the Pentagon be targeted, the easiest and most direct approach to the Pentagon would have been from the Potomac River side, which presented an open and unobstructed target. Instead Flight 77 (or whatever it was) circled around to the inland side of the Pentagon which was the least populated because of the reconstruction, performing the difficult, high-speed aerial maneuver and flying right over the White House.

Who was on that side? Largely civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts, and this is THE DAY AFTER Rumsfeld and Dov Zakheim announced that $2.3 trillion was MISSING, on Sept. 10, 2011.

YouTube - ‪Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY b4/911‬‏

Pittsburg Post:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck. [/FONT]

The only reason there is any need to speculate as to what hit the Pentagon, or how the towers fell, is because the stamped-parts forensic evidence has been destroyed, just like 95% of the tower steel, and because the extensive video from the most heavily-surveillanced building in the world was destroyed or is being kept secret except for one snip which tells nothing.

With the destruction of crime scene evidence there is already enough to bring charges against Rudy Giuliani, who had it destroyed in NYC, and Rumsfeld, who as Secretary of Defense had custody the Pentagon debris. The next time you walk by a fire that is a suspected arson, start carting away pieces and chunks and see how far away you get by saying "this is the past we're moving forward."

Then there is the issue of "where was Rumsfeld?" who was missing in action for 30 minutes before the Pentagon hit, whose job it was, as SecDef, to order any incoming planes shot down.


Brigadier General Montague Winfield told the 911 commission: "For 30 minutes we couldn't find [Secretary Rumsfeld]."

"We investigated very carefully Mr. Rumsfeld's actions," said 911 Commission chairman Lee Hamilton. "He was having breakfast with Congressional leaders, and they hear a plane has hit the Pentagon, and he runs out."

Again, this is after two towers had already been hit.

When Rumsfeld is spotted again he is out helping survivors on the Pentagon lawn, not at the helm of the nation's air defenses which is his post, in anticipation of further attacks. How did he know the attacks were over? He said he was "out of the loop," which is ridiculous, because as Secretary of Defense, he IS the loop.

FROM THE EXCELLENT WEBSITE CHRISTIANS FOR 911 TRUTH:

Why were the twin towers ground into dust and ejected laterally?

If there were no explosives in the twin towers, then the only force acting on the building at the time of collapse was the force of gravity. This force is pulling straight down through the center of the building. The vector diagram should have one large arrow pointing down.

However, what we actually see is enormous amounts of energy blowing the building outwards. This energy is directed perpendicular to the gravitational force. Where does this energy come from if not from explosives?

The majority of the building is ground into dust and blown outward as far as New Jersey. Observe photos of ground zero. There should be a pile with 110 floors of material at the bottom. However, most of the mass of the buildings was shredded to dust and blown away.

Why do independent investigators find high-energy explosives in WTC debris?

Independent investigators claim to have discovered high-energy explosives in the world trade center debris. The picture shows an unexploded piece of nano-thermite recovered from a world trade center dust sample. Nano-thermite is a high-tech explosive that was recently developed by defense department contractors at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It is capable of reaching 4500 degrees within seconds and can easily cut steel. What is it doing in WTC dust samples?

It's not as if the NIST investigators don't know anything about nano-thermite. Interestingly, many of them are some of the world's most knowledgeable experts regarding nano-thermite and have been active in developing the technology.

Why did our air defenses ignore protocol and fail to protect the nation?
The U.S. has the most powerful and sophisticated air-force in the entire world. Domestic flights were intercepted 67 times in the nine months preceding 9/11. How was it possible that four hijacked aircraft where allowed to fly unmolested through U.S. airspace for over an hour and a half?

Was NORAD ordered to stand down?

How can a gravitational collapse melt steel and concrete?
Molten metal was present underneath the remains of all three world trade center towers. USGS aerial thermal imaging showed surface temperatures of over 800 degrees F five days after the attack. However, there were no fires at the surface. Aerial images were recording molten metal under the surface. There was even molten metal recorded flowing out of the towers before they came down, even though there was minimal fire. How could a gravitational collapse have caused this molten metal? (mathematical gravitational analysis)

YouTube - ‪U.S. Government lies about molten steel found at Ground Zero after 9/11‬‏
​

FROM CHRISTIANS FOR 911 TRUTH
​

Join the 1500 licensed Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth in their 2011 Justice Campaign. Initiation of a prosecution requires only sufficient evidence of wrongdoing, not a complete theory of the crime.

It is also very important to write to your congressman and demand he open a hearing for former Assistant Deputy Secretary of State Dr. Steve Pieczenik to testify.

CONTACT CONGRESS

 

[ManFromUncle]

History of false flags? Northwoods? Remind me again just what was carried out with that one.

NFL Dallas Cowboy and 911 Truth advocate Mark Stepnoski goes into the history of false flags nicely here. This is an excellent interview, Step is well-spoken and articulate, recommend a listen. (Interviewed by loudmouth Alex Jones but MSNBC wouldn't exactly allow him on "The Situation Room.")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3SsHtdxqI


Entire Stepnoski interview series:

http://www.dailypaul.com/154032/real-men-do-911-truth-nfl-great-mark-stepnoski-radio-interview

Join the 1500 licensed Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth in their 2011 Justice Campaign. Initiation of a prosecution requires only sufficient evidence of wrongdoing, not a complete theory of the crime.

It is also very important to write to your congressman and demand he open a hearing for former Assistant Deputy Secretary of State Dr. Steve Pieczenik to testify.

CONTACT CONGRESS


main website
911: Shock and Awe Master Deed. Prosecute Giuliani

 

[Btodd]

NFLPlayersFor911Truth!

How many are on that petition?

It's funny, oldbetang asked you a direct question, and as usual...you have to post a YouTube video of someone else talking. You can't answer any questions?


Btodd

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

NFLPlayersFor911Truth!

How many are on that petition?

It's funny, oldbetang asked you a direct question, and as usual...you have to post a YouTube video of someone else talking. You can't answer any questions?


Btodd

I don't take oldbetabg seriously for the same reason I don't take you seriously-a basic lack of supporting claims and outright refusal to admit it when you make false claims. You claimed people with less experience than hanjour duplicated his flight path yet all you provided was a video of a pilot with more experience who actually practiced and the simulator wasn't even for a 757. Lol.......yet you still refuse to admit you made a false claim. That is why I laugh-and will laugh even more when you respond with nothing but deflection.

 

[Btodd]

I don't take oldbetabg seriously for the same reason I don't take you seriously-a basic lack of supporting claims and outright refusal to admit it when you make false claims. You claimed people with less experience than hanjour duplicated his flight path yet all you provided was a video of a pilot with more experience who actually practiced and the simulator wasn't even for a 757. Lol.......yet you still refuse to admit you made a false claim. That is why I laugh-and will laugh even more when you respond with nothing but deflection.

Having seen your schtick for years, I'm not worried about what you think of me, he-who-will-do-anything to keep from answering a simple question, and was blown away by there being a 20% chance of hitting 'that particular side' on a 5-sided building.

The bottom line is; I have an explanation for the events of that day, and am willing to lay them out. You have nothing but questions, and think personal incredulity passes as an explanation.

Have a nice day.


Btodd

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Having seen your schtick for years, I'm not worried about what you think of me, he-who-will-do-anything to keep from answering a simple question, and was blown away by there being a 20% chance of hitting 'that particular side' on a 5-sided building.

The bottom line is; I have an explanation for the events of that day, and am willing to lay them out. You have nothing but questions, and think personal incredulity passes as an explanation.

Have a nice day.


Btodd

Exactly as predicted...nothing but deflection.

 

[Btodd]

Exactly as predicted...nothing but deflection.

Sure, just like you did after being called out on not understanding the percentage of hitting a 5-sided building, and then moving on to the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy out of further desperation.

You probably admitted how miserably irrational and fallacious both of those were somewhere and I just missed it, since you've reminded us all about integrity and intellectual honesty so often. I know you wouldn't be guilty of anything...


Btodd

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Sure, just like you did after being called out on not understanding the percentage of hitting a 5-sided building, and then moving on to the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy out of further desperation.

You probably admitted how miserably irrational and fallacious both of those were somewhere and I just missed it, since you've reminded us all about integrity and intellectual honesty so often. I know you wouldn't be guilty of anything...


Btodd

Lol.....more reflection....and dishonesty to boot!

 

[Btodd]

Lol.....more reflection....and dishonesty to boot!

Reflection?

Wow, it's almost as if you want to spend as much time on me as possible, to avoid answering questions. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might have a good explanation as to your actions.

So, wanna tell me more about the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and how you use it to determine what happened at the Pentagon?

*cue deflection*


Btodd

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Reflection?

Wow, it's almost as if you want to spend as much time on me as possible, to avoid answering questions. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might have a good explanation as to your actions.

So, wanna tell me more about the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and how you use it to determine what happened at the Pentagon?

*cue deflection*


Btodd

Lol...clearly a typo....but hang on for dear life on any possible deflection.

 

[Btodd]

Lol...clearly a typo....but hang on for dear life on any possible deflection.

^^^Deflection! I called it!

Man, I would make a great Truther. This is easy!


Btodd

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

I answer direct questions for direct people. I don't waste energy on posters that have proven to be...less than sincere. More importantly, when people have been shown to make false claims yet refuse to own it, there is no hope of an honest dialogue. I wont name the poster this is meant for...but that person knows who it is.

 

[Btodd]

I answer direct questions for direct people. I don't waste energy on posters that have proven to be...less than sincere. More importantly, when people have been shown to make false claims yet refuse to own it, there is no hope of an honest dialogue. I wont name the poster this is meant for...but that person knows who it is.

So where can I see your admission of using the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy in regard to the Pentagon? Oh. I forgot...your moral outrage is highly selective, and you do not own a mirror.

Carry on.


Btodd

 

[stelow]

The Pentagon has nothing to do with the OP. Punt!!!

 

[Btodd]

The Pentagon has nothing to do with the OP. Punt!!!

If you will re-read the thread, I tried to keep the discussion on the subject of the collapses, but ManFromUncle insisted on trying to bring all sorts of other subjects into the discussion once the thermite hypothesis failed so hard.

Punt returned. Touchdown.


Btodd

 

[stelow]

Kick-offed, and returned for a touchdown!!!

Talk about easy.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

This is pretty interesting. Boeing has a patent pending on a remote control system:

"The "uninterruptible" autopilot will be activated by pilots or co- pilots flipping a switch,
by sensors that detect excessive force against locked cabin doors or remotely by
officials on the ground."
Http://www.canada.com/mobile/story.html?id=0041c1b9-d938-4956-a88e-436c8fc8ba45&k=33368

Of course, there is no way this kind of technology didn't exist in 2001. Nope.. not a chance!

 

[Zoooma]

 

[ManFromUncle]

I agree with Realdeal that Btodd is not a sincere poster and is not worth bothering with, it is obvious his task is to keep sidetracking the discussion by saying things like "thermite dude! It can do anything!" (his exact words), so the rest of us should just ignore him. However, it is valuable as a lesson in how disinformation works, and proof of how terrified the perpetrators are that a critical mass consensus will be reached that the official story is false. You don't commit cold-blooded mass murder and then start two wars over it without putting in place an elaborate propaganda machine to keep people from getting at the truth. People who commit mass murder get lethal injections, and so do their accomplices. History is unpredictable. No one ever had a country more locked up and under an iron grip than Mubarek in Egypt, yet now he sits facing war crimes charges in his own country. Our Lord is a mighty Lord.

"If the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us." - George HW Bush Sr. to White House correspondent Sarah McClendon

Defensor Fidei asked an excellent question:

There are a lot of unanswered questions about 9/11, but is there any real point to debating it at this point? It's not going to change anything. The war in Iraq alone is enough to justify locking up every member of the Bush-Cheney administration and throwing away the key. But the people in power never seem to face justice on earth.

It is important because we are headed for a financial meltdown and possibly more false flag attacks unless the perpetrators believe people are too wise to it now. When the meltdown occurs as a result of Grand Theft 911 ($50,000 to $100,000 per family in cost of the 911 Wars, straight into the pockets of war profiteers) it will be important to understand who to blame. They will try to blame it on Muslims or immigrants, to cover their getaway to their offshore villas. It's unconfirmed, but I can believe it, I read where the super-rich have escape plans, private helicopters to take them to private airports where they have planes waiting. If you are a Halliburton billionaire having a couple of Learjets is like you are me buying a car.

Hard to believe a financial meltdown from debt and social disorder can't happen in this country? Economist and investment banker Peter Schiff says you had better get ready even for bread lines:

YouTube - ‪Peter Schiff: Americans must prepare for deepening unemployment, inflation and possible breadlines‬‏


I notice that in 4 or 5 posts, just as predicted, Btodd did not address any of the facts I presented or the issue of destruction of evidence, so here it is again.

To the question of why would the far, inland side of the Pentagon be targeted, the easiest and most direct approach to the Pentagon would have been from the Potomac River side, which presented an open and unobstructed target. Instead Flight 77 (or whatever it was) circled around to the inland side of the Pentagon which was the least populated because of the reconstruction, performing the difficult, high-speed aerial maneuver and flying right over the White House.

Who was on that side? Largely civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts, and this is THE DAY AFTER Rumsfeld and Dov Zakheim announced that $2.3 trillion was MISSING, on Sept. 10, 2011.

YouTube - ‪Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY b4/911‬‏

Pittsburg Post:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck. [/FONT]

The only reason there is any need to speculate as to what hit the Pentagon, or how the towers fell, is because the stamped-parts forensic evidence has been destroyed, just like 95% of the tower steel, and because the extensive video from the most heavily-surveillanced building in the world was destroyed or is being kept secret except for one snip which tells nothing.

With the destruction of crime scene evidence there is already enough to bring charges against Rudy Giuliani, who had it destroyed in NYC, and Rumsfeld, who as Secretary of Defense had custody the Pentagon debris. The next time you walk by a fire that is a suspected arson, start carting away pieces and chunks and see how far away you get by saying "this is the past we're moving forward."

Then there is the issue of "where was Rumsfeld?" who was missing in action for 30 minutes before the Pentagon hit, whose job it was, as SecDef, to order any incoming planes shot down.


Brigadier General Montague Winfield told the 911 commission: "For 30 minutes we couldn't find [Secretary Rumsfeld]."

"We investigated very carefully Mr. Rumsfeld's actions," said 911 Commission chairman Lee Hamilton. "He was having breakfast with Congressional leaders, and they hear a plane has hit the Pentagon, and he runs out."

Again, this is after two towers had already been hit.

When Rumsfeld is spotted again he is out helping survivors on the Pentagon lawn, not at the helm of the nation's air defenses which is his post, in anticipation of further attacks. How did he know the attacks were over? He said he was "out of the loop," which is ridiculous, because as Secretary of Defense, he IS the loop.

FROM THE EXCELLENT WEBSITE CHRISTIANS FOR 911 TRUTH:

Why were the twin towers ground into dust and ejected laterally?

If there were no explosives in the twin towers, then the only force acting on the building at the time of collapse was the force of gravity. This force is pulling straight down through the center of the building. The vector diagram should have one large arrow pointing down.

However, what we actually see is enormous amounts of energy blowing the building outwards. This energy is directed perpendicular to the gravitational force. Where does this energy come from if not from explosives?

The majority of the building is ground into dust and blown outward as far as New Jersey. Observe photos of ground zero. There should be a pile with 110 floors of material at the bottom. However, most of the mass of the buildings was shredded to dust and blown away.

Why do independent investigators find high-energy explosives in WTC debris?

Independent investigators claim to have discovered high-energy explosives in the world trade center debris. The picture shows an unexploded piece of nano-thermite recovered from a world trade center dust sample. Nano-thermite is a high-tech explosive that was recently developed by defense department contractors at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It is capable of reaching 4500 degrees within seconds and can easily cut steel. What is it doing in WTC dust samples?

It's not as if the NIST investigators don't know anything about nano-thermite. Interestingly, many of them are some of the world's most knowledgeable experts regarding nano-thermite and have been active in developing the technology.

Why did our air defenses ignore protocol and fail to protect the nation?
The U.S. has the most powerful and sophisticated air-force in the entire world. Domestic flights were intercepted 67 times in the nine months preceding 9/11. How was it possible that four hijacked aircraft where allowed to fly unmolested through U.S. airspace for over an hour and a half?

Was NORAD ordered to stand down?

How can a gravitational collapse melt steel and concrete?
Molten metal was present underneath the remains of all three world trade center towers. USGS aerial thermal imaging showed surface temperatures of over 800 degrees F five days after the attack. However, there were no fires at the surface. Aerial images were recording molten metal under the surface. There was even molten metal recorded flowing out of the towers before they came down, even though there was minimal fire. How could a gravitational collapse have caused this molten metal? (mathematical gravitational analysis)

YouTube - ‪U.S. Government lies about molten steel found at Ground Zero after 9/11‬‏
​

FROM CHRISTIANS FOR 911 TRUTH
​

Join the 1500 licensed Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth in their 2011 Justice Campaign. Initiation of a prosecution requires only sufficient evidence of wrongdoing, not a complete theory of the crime.

It is also very important to write to your congressman and demand he open a hearing for former Assistant Deputy Secretary of State Dr. Steve Pieczenik to testify.

CONTACT CONGRESS