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Knowing that the CC doesn't stand on sola scriptura I can't say I'll ever return knowing their past and present atrocity's.
Same here. I knew it was bogus starting in 1st grade catechism class. By fourth grade, after they tried to indoctrinate me with transubstantiation, I knew I had to learn to keep my head down until I was old enough to walk away.
 
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Knowing that the CC doesn't stand on sola scriptura I can't say I'll ever return knowing their past and present atrocity's.
Atrocities are human affairs. A Church doctrine known as 'original sin' practically guarantees they'll occur, unfortunately. And I'll tell you that they have and will occur at the hands of sola scriptura adherents as well. But that only goes to say that, along with following Church doctrine her members have also often ignored it, or twisted it, for their own agendas. There's only one church and her legacy is the legacy of all Christians-of all humans- in some capacity. The darkness and the light co-exist, the wheat with the tares. But truly beautiful wheat has been produced: feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, millions of hours of volunteer work, vast wealth donated, orphanages, hospitals, the preserving of education through the dark ages, the development of education and the university systems later, the pursuit of excellence in general, social justice work, promoting strides in science, the arts, giving order and hope to a lost and dying world, all inspired by the light that entered the world and continues to grow-never fast enough-to this day.
 
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Same here. I knew it was bogus starting in 1st grade catechism class. By fourth grade, after they tried to indoctrinate me with transubstantiation, I knew I had to learn to keep my head down until I was old enough to walk away.
Yes they have great schools but poor ethics.
 
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Atrocities are human affairs. A Church doctrine known as 'original sin' practically guarantees they'll occur, unfortunately. And I'll tell you that they have and will occur at the hands of sola scriptura adherents as well. But that only goes to say that, along with following Church doctrine her members have also often ignored it, or twisted it, for their own agendas. There's only one church and her legacy is the legacy of all Christians-of all humans- in some capacity. The darkness and the light co-exist, the wheat with the tares. But truly beautiful wheat has been produced: feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, millions of hours of volunteer work, vast wealth donated, orphanages, hospitals, the preserving of education through the dark ages, the development of education and the university systems later, the pursuit of excellence in general, social justice work, promoting strides in science, the arts, giving order and hope to a lost and dying world, all inspired by the light that entered the world and continues to grow-never fast enough-to this day.
Your church is the only church that committed heinous atrocity's such as the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades where they murdered anybody that didn't submit to your churches authority and that time was rightly called the dark ages and yes it's still going on through covered up pedophilia.
 
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Amazing what humans can accept as normal.
Or will say and do anything to justify it e.g. the false doctrine of "original sin" as a license to sin.
 
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Should our understanding of God (theology) be based on our own reasoning or feelings, or on the texts of holy scripture?

Given a written exam, most Protestant Christians would agree with the statement, “the Bible is our only rule for faith and practice”; however, spend more than an hour on CF, and you will discover that, in practice, many trust their feelings, intuition, experiences, and even their goosebumps over the what the written written Word of God has declared.

I asked someone for a biblical backing for a statement he/she made. This was the reply: "you don't need to reference a book to understand reality." It's a perfect example of what I see on CF, and it explains the question I'm asking.

What's your theology based on?
If we understand our place in the overall plan of God - if there were a map that said "You are here." It would show a timeline whose Apex is Christ, who died for the salvation of Israel, and gave the gift of the Holy Spirit and the ability to be born [again] directly into the kingdom of God, to the gentiles, that we should be grafted into His great act of salvation.

Feelings mean nothing...they are a product of the dead, of the flesh. And even the scriptures mean very little to those of the world, of the flesh. But we are not of the flesh, but of the Spirit. So, unless our theology is based on the spirit of God...it is of men, and those who go to the grave.
 
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Who said there couldn't be a reasonable exchange? Certainly not me.

You didn't say it, no, but some of your posts seem a bit angry and not very respectful. I like calm reasonable debate, and I'm in an especially mellow tonight.
 
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Let's not be hasty and unnecessarily harsh. Feelings have their place.

Acts.1
  1. [3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Acts.14
  1. [15] And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Jas.5
  1. [17] Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
 
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You didn't say it, no, but some of your posts seem a bit angry and not very respectful. I like calm reasonable debate, and I'm in an especially mellow tonight.
Being blunt is not being angry.
 
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Amazing what humans can accept as normal.
Haven't heard anyone accepting sin as normal. Sin, original or otherwise, is always defined as a gross anomaly-down to the whitest of lies.
Or will say and do anything to justify it e.g. the false doctrine of "original sin" as a license to sin.
Haven't heard anyone using original sin as a license to sin-only as an explanation. You, OTOH, appear to deny that particular tendency in yourself. Pharisees had that orientation as well-and playing the same blame game. We all do, truth be known.
 
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Haven't heard anyone accepting sin as normal. Sin, original or otherwise, is always defined as a gross anomaly-down to the whitest of lies.

Haven't heard anyone using original sin as a license to sin-only as an explanation. You, OTOH, appear to deny that particular tendency in yourself. Pharisees had that orientation as well-and playing the same blame game. We all do, truth be known.
Yes but it most certainly is another catholic false doctrine that isn't found in the bible. And to farther prove the fallacy of "original sin" that fact can be found in God's word that states emphatically we aren't held responsible for our Father's sin e.g. Adams sin.

Ez 18:20 The same soul that sinneth, shall die: the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son, but the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
 
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Your church is the only church that committed heinous atrocity's such as the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades where they murdered anybody that didn't submit to your churches authority and that time was rightly called the dark ages and yes it's still going on through covered up pedophilia.
Well we can go back and forth but history shows the Protestant Inquisition to be at least as heinous-none of it can be justified based on the gospel anyway. And the dark ages are typically considered to be prior to the time you speak of, ushered in by the fall of the Roman Empire. But go ahead and stay comfortably away from a church-or in a modern church that's isolated in time from the ugliest crimes that have prevailed-at least until you start witnessing their failings-which are inevitable. No excuses for the modern scandals-even a tiny percentage of clergy are too many-I just know that casting stones is a game I used to play but I no longer have that luxury-so I rejoined a group of sinners rather than play-act the saint. Again, there is and can only be one Church, wart's and all.
 
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Well we can go back and forth but history shows the Protestant Inquisition to be at least as heinous-none of it can be justified based on the gospel anyway. And the dark ages are typically considered to be prior to the time you speak of, ushered in by the fall of the Roman Empire. But go ahead and stay comfortably away from a church-or in a modern church that's isolated in time from the ugliest crimes that have prevailed-at least until you start witnessing their failings-which are inevitable. No excuses for the modern scandals-even a tiny percentage of clergy are too many-I just know that casting stones is a game I used to play but I no longer have that luxury-so I rejoined a group of sinners rather than play-act the saint. Again, there is and can only be one Church, wart's and all.
Sorry I'm neither Protestant nor catholic and yes you both did much wrong in your history up to and including murdering born again christians. Yes I agree there is only one Church built on the ROCK CHRIST. http://www.baptistbecause.com/Tracts/TrailBlood.pdf
 
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LOL-biblically based Christians are all over the board on many of these issues.
Yes you would think that about those the follow God's word and not satanic doctrines of devils.
 
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LOL-biblically based Christians are all over the board on many of these issues.

No you're mistaken again because only those like you argue about that unbiblical false doctrine.
 
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